Well based on what we know about how xenoblade's story was written, I wouldnt say Takeda is writing it by himself, and takahashi said he is the "main" writer, so there is space for more people.Read the translation above your post.
Well based on what we know about how xenoblade's story was written, I wouldnt say Takeda is writing it by himself, and takahashi said he is the "main" writer, so there is space for more people.Read the translation above your post.
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Well if that same interview mean something, having a silent protag now means we will probably have a less shounen'y character relationship. So it balances it outI knew Takeda had to be involved here. He proposed a silent protagonist for Xenoblade, and Takahashi, if I remember right, was very against it. I'm guessing he finally got his way (to my detriment).
Zero²;140337685 said:Well if that same interview mean something, having a silent protag now means we will probably have a less shounen'y character relationship. So it balances it out
Takahashi likened Xenoblade to a shounen manga in that it had a lot of twists. That's it; he didn't refer to "shounen" as a genre or style. Since then, people have been taking that quote out of context and attributed meanings to it that've never existed (or are flat-out false). There was nothing about Xenoblade's characters or relationships that was "shounen-y" (not that that even means anything in that context).
Shulk was a solidly written and likable protagonist. The thing we're getting now is a worthless piece of cardboard that will, at best, nod and maybe display mild facial expressions every now and then. I'm not a fan of that trade-off.
Nonono I'm talking about that part when they say that they wanted to make the main character likable to the audience, and the easiest way to do that was to make him silent since if he didnt utter a word it would be harder for people to dislike him. With shulk they had to make him as likable as possible, with no faults or misdeeds, and I'd call that the soul of a Shounen Hero.Takahashi likened Xenoblade to a shounen manga in that it had a lot of twists. That's it; he didn't refer to "shounen" as a genre or style. Since then, people have been taking that quote out of context and attributing meanings to it that've never existed (or are flat-out false). There was nothing about Xenoblade's characters or relationships that was "shounen-y" (not that that even means anything in that context).
Shulk was a solidly written and likable protagonist. The thing we're getting now is a worthless piece of cardboard that will, at best, nod and maybe display mild facial expressions every now and then. I'm not a fan of that trade-off.
Zero²;140354008 said:Nonono I'm talking about that part when they say that they wanted to make the main character likable to the audience, and the easiest way to do that was to make him silent since if he didnt utter a word it would be harder for people to dislike him. With shulk they had to make him as likable as possible, with no faults or misdeeds, and I'd call that the soul of a Shounen Hero.
Zero²;140354008 said:Look at Chrono Trigger for example, just because Crono doesnt talk, it doesnt mean he is a "worthless piece of cardboard" like you said. We can very much get his character development from the interactions he makes with the other characters, we can actually develop him as we imagine, and not being forced to stick a personality that dont bond with us through all the course of the story.
I wonder why they didn't do a customized character which also has a personality, lots of games do this, Nintendo themselves did with Robin (although the customization options for Robin were limited, specially compared to this)
I usually prefer a character with a set personality, although the positive trade off I get from silent protagonists is that its always fun to see around the web how everyone has different interpretations of their own MC thanks to the blank slate.
I think their goal is a focus on the player's interactions with their environment and party members, not just having us watch the main character. After all, the MC is basically us.
It's too early to pass judgement on how this will positively or negatively affect the plot or character interactions, but losing one character of a total seven isn't really a huge loss in the grand scheme of things...
Oh please dont be dense, if we start to go that route, Shounen means that the anime or manga is published in a teen focused demographic magazine or slot, they dont necessarily need to appeal only to that demographic or have a story or plot focused at them. But its clear as the sky what I meant by shounen hero, lets not be bound by definitions here. The heroes in that histories almost always have that pattern hidden somewhere, it's just fact, specially since the rise of the popular Shounen Jump mangas, and their motto, "Friendship, Effort, Victory"....Okay, shounen doesn't mean what a lot of you think it means. Shounen, in most contexts, means "young boy" in Japanese, and in the context of manga/anime, it refers to a young boy/teen male demographic. Nothing else. Fullmetal Alchimist, Naruto, and, uh, Highschool of the Dead are shounen demographic manga, yet they're very different in terms of themes, narrative, etc.. As such, "Shounen hero" doesn't mean anything, and it's certainly not some kind of universal character trait that you can find in that particular demographic (even if the kind of character you're referring to is somewhat common in that area). Incorporating characteristics typical of an ideal hero into a character and making him/her likable is hardly a concept exclusive to manga aimed at the shounen demographic. That just means that, y'know, they wanted to write a likable hero.
Each to its own, but we dont even know much about how the plot will be unveiled, how we will go forward with the plot, and what we will actually control of it (multiple endings and such), so I think its too soon for you to dismiss the silent protagonist in its entirely.I prefer a defined, tangible personality over a mostly sterile and blank slate, in most cases; the former I find wholly unsatisfying. If I'd seen X's MC do anything but stare blankly and dumbly into oblivion throughout the entirety of his/her interactions with Elma, I might be willing to be a little more accepting, but he/she didn't. My hopes are that Elma takes center stage in the plot, because there's absolutely no way I'm going to be able to appreciate the MC the way I do Fei, Shion, and Shulk. :/
Zero²;140370145 said:Oh please dont be dense, if we start to go that route, Shounen means that the anime or manga is published in a teen focused demographic magazine or slot, they dont necessarily need to appeal only to that demographic or have a story or plot focused at them. But its clear as the sky what I meant by shounen hero, lets not be bound by definitions here. The heroes in that histories almost always have that pattern hidden somewhere, it's just fact, specially since the rise of the popular Shounen Jump mangas, and their motto, "Friendship, Effort, Victory".
You said that I ignored your post, but then you just went and did the exact same thing to mine lolI feel like you just ignored the most important part of my post. You are unnecessarily characterizing Shulk as a "shounen" hero. He's not a "shounen" hero; he's a plain, old hero. The concept of a brave, selfless, devoted, and strong hero existed long before the "battle" manga boom and does not exist exclusively within that domain (in fact, I happen to be reading a josei manga called Amatsuki featuring what you would refer to as a "shounen hero").
You can continue characterizing Shulk as a "shounen hero", but the fact is, it's a meaningless and unnecessary qualifier.
Zero²;140375413 said:You said that I ignored your post, but then you just went and did the exact same thing to mine lol
Zero²;140375413 said:It might have existed before the usual battle manga craze came along, but its one place that's certainly easier to point it out.
onilink88 said:(even if the kind of character you're referring to is somewhat common in that area).
Is there seven party members confirmed? And I don't know, if the MC is completely silent that means the MC won't interact in battle with the other characters like in Xenolade, I loved the silly unique banter combination within all characters, even if they got repeated a lot sometimes.
"I'll take a stab" isn't a definitive translation, I was asking for further confirmation.Read the translation above your post.
I'm not sure if you've watched the Treehouse footage from E3, but your character does have battle banter. Also, seven characters is pretty much confirmed by the Kizuna Quest window in the most recent footage, which has 6 boxes displayed (for party members that need to be in or out of the party), two of which are taken up by Elma and Rin...
So aside from the 4 confirmed, who are the other 3 likely suspects?
"I'll take a stab" isn't a definitive translation, I was asking for further confirmation.
I'm not sure if you've watched the Treehouse footage from E3, but your character does have battle banter. Also, seven characters is pretty much confirmed by the Kizuna Quest window in the most recent footage, which has 6 boxes displayed (for party members that need to be in or out of the party), two of which are taken up by Elma and Rin...
Would it? There'd need to be 6 boxes even if there were only 5 characters, for quests where you take 1 and leave the other 3 behind.
If the 6 boxes did mean there needs to be 6 characters to fill them all, then that could mean that all Kizuna quests after getting the full team will involve 4 people (including the MC) and that seems a bit off to me, especially since the only one we've seen has 3 people.
Not saying it can't be 6, but it could still be 4 or 5 (or more if the box adds a scroll).
Underwater missions confimed?Small update on the story from the latest tweet.
"Xenoblade Chronicles X Will Have A Deep Sci-Fi Story"
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/11/25/xenoblade-chronicles-x-will-deep-sci-fi-story/
[高橋]今作では田中久仁彦さん以外にも、たくさんの描き手の方々にデザインをしていただきました。もうなんとなく皆さんお気づきでしょうがこの作品には様々な異星人などが登場し、それぞれ特徴的な文化を形成しているという設定です。(つづく)
[高橋](つづき)その、種族ごとの文化をゲームのグラフィックに反映させるために、それぞれ描き手を分けるという非常に豪華な手法を選択しました。(つづく)
[高橋](つづき)相当なネタバレにはなりますが、HPもモノリスがフライングしてしまいましたし、ここでお一人づつご紹介していこうと思います。(つづく)
[高橋](つづき) と、その前に。脚本についてもうお一方ご紹介させてください。本作では竹田さんの他に兵頭一歩さんにもお力をお借りしました。(つづく)
[高橋](つづき)実は本作、前作のXenobaldeより文字量が多いのです。全てを一人で書くのはとても大変ということで、竹田さんにご紹介いただきました。兵頭さんもSFに造詣の深い方なので安心してお任せすることができました。(つづく)
[高橋](つづき)なんだか随分連投してしまいましたので、デザイナー陣のご紹介は勿体ぶって来週からにします。
It's also not something that sounds definitive either and it's just a question so simmer down.Names aren't something that would go missing in an "I'll take a stab" translation.
https://twitter.com/XenobladeJP/status/538296054416826368
https://twitter.com/XenobladeJP/status/538296177293131776
https://twitter.com/XenobladeJP/status/538296232481804288
https://twitter.com/XenobladeJP/status/538296292787515393
https://twitter.com/XenobladeJP/status/538296354770919425
https://twitter.com/XenobladeJP/status/538296416024543233
Someone get Streets or duckroll here!Hopefully a GAFer who knows Japanese will translate these.
Has Kazuho Hyodo done anything especially noteworthy? Just wondering what sort of stuff he's worked on.
Has Kazuho Hyodo done anything especially noteworthy? Just wondering what sort of stuff he's worked on.
This one?
A lot of anime stuff. He's basically a writer for hire like most anime writers.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=31090
A lot of anime stuff. He's basically a writer for hire like most anime writers.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=31090
Zero²;140425018 said:Underwater missions confimed?
Today's update is at least more interesting than the previous ones where he just repeated the same stuff everyone already knew. Firstly he mentions that aside from Kunihiko Tanaka's designs, they have many other artists working on different types of designs. There are various alien races in the game, and he wants to really bring out the various unique characteristics in their cultures and so on. For the graphics in the game to be able to reflect the different cultures, they have different artists fleshing out the details in the design phase. He teases that we have already seen one of these unannounced races on the early teaser site for the game that Monolithsoft put up. (lol)
He goes on to talk about the writing in the game. He says the script isn't written by Yuichiro Takeda alone, because compared to Xenoblade, this time there's a lot more text to handle. They brought in Kazuho Hyodo (an anime script writer) to help with the workload, and since he has a lot of experience working on scifi works, Takahashi is not worried. Next week he's going to introduce some of the design staff. That should be interesting too.
Glancing through sites such as ANN, IMDB, and his official profile, he's done a lot of work on shows such as Mobile Suit Gundam AGE, Himegoto, and Robot Girls Z, so his writing repertoire is eclectic, to say the least. Maybe someone who's more familiar with these works (as well as the anime industry as a whole) has a better/more accurate take on this guy's typical writing style?
Glancing through sites such as ANN, IMDB, and his official profile, he's done a lot of work on shows such as Mobile Suit Gundam AGE, Himegoto, and Robot Girls Z, so his writing repertoire is eclectic, to say the least. Maybe someone who's more familiar with these works (as well as the anime industry as a whole) has a better/more accurate take on this guy's typical writing style?
Assistant series composition on Gundam Age? Takahashi, what are you doing?
None of those shows really fill me with any confidence in his abilities, although sometimes you really can't polish a turd.
Finish it because of Mexican GaoGaiGar.Only one of of those I've watched some of is GunxSword. Haven't decided if I'll ever finish that.
This is all great to hear.
There's a lot more text to handle compared to Xenoblade? What?! Just how big are they making this...
Well if the game was bigger than Xenoblade confirmed then this was pretty much a given.
Don't have much faith in the anime writer but that's only one staff member out of how many? So...
There's a lot more text to handle compared to Xenoblade? What?! Just how big are they making this...
It's not like Xenoblade was a very story heavy game to begin with.