Well, skip the PSP versions specifically. If you can read Japanese, or the patch comes out, the Gagharv Trilogy are well worth playing on the PC, at least LoH IV is. It's got some really gorgeous 2D graphics right before Falcom moved to 3D. No need to throw the whole trilogy under the rug.Varion said:2. Skip them, just play Trails. The earlier games were pretty much thrown through babelfish, and they're very different in pretty much every aspect of gameplay anyway.
wyrdwad said:Man, you guys are really taking this the worst way possible!
"But those assurances seem to get weaker and weaker with each passing month. It's gone from "We'll do it" to "We'll do it, but..." to "Maybe you shouldn't get your hopes up, but we want to still do it". I'm expecting the next update to be "We've stopped working on it for now, but we'll get back to it" and then "I don't remember promising you people anything"."
This will never happen. Our next announcement on Trails 2 (which won't be for a long, long time, mind you!) will either be "It's coming, for sure, and here's how" or "It's canceled." Jess, who's in charge of the Twitter, is a bit of a natural pessimist, so that comment from her -- while accurate (we never announced definitive releases for the whole trilogy, only that we acquired the license to all three games) -- was intended to be a realistic, pragmatic statement, as she's concerned that people have been getting their hopes up, and she's afraid of what might happen on the off-chance the game DOES get canceled somewhere down the line.
And it's a fair concern! We're still in the very, very early stages of work on Trails 2 (comparatively), and if this were any other game, we wouldn't have even told ANYONE that we were working on it just yet. And the reason we don't tell anyone is because, often, there are unforeseen problems that either delay or outright cancel games at this early stage, so we wait until we know things for sure before saying a word.
With Trails 2, that wasn't possible. People were aware we were working on the game from the very beginning, and assumed it was coming. They assumed our license announcement was a release announcement, and were starting to tell people we'd already announced, definitively, that the game would be released on two UMDs in 2012. And people were starting to believe it!
So when Spencer asked me this question, I talked it over with our marketing department (and with Jess), and we all concluded, unanimously, that an honest response was needed to help set the record straight.
For some reason, you're all taking this honest response in the most negative possible way, however. We didn't announce the game's cancellation -- all we did was announce that the first game didn't meet our expectations sales-wise, but we're STILL WORKING ON THE SEQUEL, and have every intention of releasing it IF WE CAN. It's a pretty positive message, really, and I find it odd that so many of you are assuming it's a precursor to the game being scrapped.
So let me put it in the simplest possible terms: As of right now, we have no intention of scrapping the game. Work will continue, and hopefully, a release will be made, in one form or another -- though it won't be for a long, LOOOONG time yet. As a natural optimist, I foresee this release going through, and I think you'll all have been worried for nothing -- but it's so very, very early in production that you all really need to be prepared for the possibility that something will happen, and we'll be forced to drop it. It's an off-chance sort of thing, but it still COULD happen -- and if it does, we just want to make sure you're not all completely shocked and horrified by it. Basically, we want to make sure we gave you ample forewarning that it's one possible outcome. And why do we want to do this? Because we don't want to be one of those companies that cancels a game with absolutely no forewarning or explanation. We like to prepare for the worst-case scenario, even if we're expecting a much better outcome.
So yeah... stop being so negative! Really, there was nothing said in this interview that you guys shouldn't have already known, and nothing has been canceled, nor are there any plans to cancel!
Famassu said:How did they screw up Dark Souls?
Haha. Depends on your definition of a long time. One year to three years? And if it does end up a PC only title, I hope the people who bought FC on the PSP can get the PC version of FC for free.pancakesandsex said:You don't HAVE a "LOOOONG time". Not unless you plan on getting into PC publishing, in which case you had better be releasing 1 and 2 within the same ballpark timeframe or nobody is going to believe for a second that Xseed intends to finish what it starts.
I think they're hoping on something like a Vita version SCEA wouldn't reject, in which case the series has a decently long stay of execution for the time being.pancakesandsex said:You don't HAVE a "LOOOONG time". Not unless you plan on getting into PC publishing, in which case you had better be releasing 1 and 2 within the same ballpark timeframe or nobody is going to believe for a second that Xseed intends to finish what it starts.
They also fucked up the manual, but Tales isn't in as dire of need for a good one in general as Dark Souls was, which kind of gave you the basics and expected you to figure everything out. And who knows, maybe more people within Namco would push for a decent manual for a Tales game anyway, Vesperia's was bilingual yet still fairly meaty and in full color.WickedLaharl said:The fucking shit job they did with the CE. Damn near makes me never want to buy their games new ever again.
Assuming you go the PC route, would you work out some kind of deal for people who bought the PSP version of the first game? Like give it [FC] to them for free as they bought a game whose save file won't transfer over to the second? That would be a great way to handle things IMO.wyrdwad said:Pancakes: We've got all the time in the world, as long as we don't rush things. As you said, there *is* a PC version, so that's always an option for us... and if the whole PSN issue with this game can be figured out over the next couple years, there's also the possibility of releasing the game on PSN to be playable on the Vita. Heck, Falcom might even release a Vita version of the game by the time we're done! Just because the PSP platform is making way for its successor doesn't mean we absolutely have to rush and get things done, regardless of the cost and the risk. Better to take our time and do it right, you know?
That's too much to ask for. I think the best you could hope for is some way to convert your PSP save to be PC compatible.jackdoe said:Assuming you go the PC route, would you work out some kind of deal for people who bought the PSP version of the first game? Like give it [FC] to them for free as they bought a game whose save file won't transfer over to the second? That would be a great way to handle things IMO.
The big problem with that is, how do you prove you bought the PSP game?jackdoe said:Assuming you go the PC route, would you work out some kind of deal for people who bought the PSP version of the first game? Like give it to them for free as they bought a game whose saved game won't transfer over to the second? That would be a great way to handle things IMO.
Aeana said:That's too much to ask for. I think the best you could hope for is some way to convert your PSP save to be PC compatible.
True enough. But it just doesn't sit right for me if I have to repurchase a game on another platform to transfer a save to the next game in the series. It would be like purchasing ME1 on the Xbox 360, finding out that ME2 is a PS3 exclusive, and that I would have to repurchase ME1 on the PS3 to transfer a save over to ME2. Granted, the save transfer feature for SC is nowhere near as major as the ME franchise, but it would be nice to unlock stuff through sheer hard work in getting all the BP yourself in the first game.chaosblade said:The big problem with that is, how do you prove you bought the PSP game?
A way to transfer/convert saves is more likely, but they might not be able to do anything.
Do yourself a favor and never enter a thread about a Tales game.Clevinger said:What great fans.
Well, first of all, we as fans don't owe a thing to XSEED. They are a company, we are their consumers. If we like what they are selling, we will buy it and that is the only thing they should ever expect from us.Clevinger said:What great fans.
"We don't know for sure if we can do the next game, even though we'd love to be able to. We'll let you know one way or the other when it's set in stone."
"Fuck you!"
Reminds me of what happened with Shenmue II.jackdoe said:True enough. But it just doesn't sit right for me if I have to repurchase a game on another platform to transfer a save to the next game in the series. It would be like purchasing ME1 on the Xbox 360, finding out that ME2 is a PS3 exclusive, and that I would have to repurchase ME1 on the PS3 to transfer a save over to ME2. Granted, the save transfer feature for SC is nowhere near as major as the ME franchise, but it would be nice to unlock stuff through sheer hard work in getting all the BP yourself in the first game.
Clevinger said:What great fans.
"We don't know for sure if we can do the next game, even though we'd love to be able to. We'll let you know one way or the other when it's set in stone."
"Fuck you!"
I feel I'd be fine with repurchasing FC if it is less than $20. Maybe I'll feel alright at $20 (I won't actually know until it comes to that). But if it is released on the PC for $30, haha, then that's where I'd draw the line.lunchwithyuzo said:Reminds me of what happened with Shenmue II.
If the games come to PC, I'm sure they'll be reasonably priced enough to where rebuying FC is a minor issue. Maybe they'll even do a package deal for FC & SC.
I'm sure that's why they're telling their fans that its going to be such a long time because the time spent is actually trying to release PC versions rather the other half ass excuses they've been using which they've been proven wrong on.lunchwithyuzo said:Reminds me of what happened with Shenmue II.
If the games come to PC, I'm sure they'll be reasonably priced enough to where rebuying FC is a minor issue. Maybe they'll even do a package deal for FC & SC.
Yeah, there's "get what I want, hope they bring out more of what I want". Not like they're going the Mastiff route here or anything where they abandon these obscure Japanese games in favor of lots of hunting games I don't give the faintest damn about.randomkid said:You know, there's a lot of space between XSEED is the worst company ever, this is a PR disaster, XSEED sucks, and XSEED is the best company ever you should unquestionably support them, why are you even complaining, shut the fuck up.
My position is in that between space.
Shout out for Solatorobo and Grand Knights!
cj_iwakura said:Would you prefer no PR statements at all? Don't get me started on the Atlus USA debacle with Innocent Sin. As said, at least XSeed are being forthcoming. Lot of undeserved hate in this thread..
dili said:This entire ordeal is stupid and one giant fuck up on XSEED's part. So many lies and dishonesty that its made me think a lot less of them.
wyrdwad said:Vamp: Sadly, that happens a lot. We can't always afford to go into a project and wait for *absolute confirmation* before starting work on it, or it'll never get done in any sort of reasonable amount of time. So, we start early... and sometimes, our work never gets used. We have a small pile of unused translations for game projects that never got off the ground lurking in the depths of our servers, and while it's always sad to see a translation project get shelved, it would be much sadder to have it confirmed for release after months of negotiation only to tell the developer, "oh, but we haven't translated anything yet -- we were waiting for you! So give us another couple months, OK?"
Pancakes: We've got all the time in the world, as long as we don't rush things. As you said, there *is* a PC version, so that's always an option for us... and if the whole PSN issue with this game can be figured out over the next couple years, there's also the possibility of releasing the game on PSN to be playable on the Vita. Heck, Falcom might even release a Vita version of the game by the time we're done! Just because the PSP platform is making way for its successor doesn't mean we absolutely have to rush and get things done, regardless of the cost and the risk. Better to take our time and do it right, you know?
pancakesandsex said:You DON'T have all the time in the world. PSP was dead when this deal was first announced, Xseed and their customers knew this, yet they sent it to die anyway. Had Xseed considered the PC version in the first place maybe we'd be having a different conversation right now, but they did not. Any goodwill generated by releasing this in the first place will be lost to the platform switch (why it wasn't multiplatform to begin with is beyond me) and to time IF it even comes out.
The last thing we need right now are more baseless what-if's and flailing backpedaling statements about what your announcement REALLY meant. Nobody makes an announcement with the intent of "hey guys we have the rights to these games we're never gonna release, sweet huh?" right? Sure fooled me.
Sincerely, a former paying customer.
Well, if Namco actually announced Vesperia PS3, this might be a more valid comparison. However, they did no such thing.Kikujiro said:Ahahahahaa, this is a sad post.
This remind me of Tales fan who won't buy Graces because Namco "lied" about Vesperia PS3.
I think some fans need to have some respect for themselves and stop apologizing for corporations.ULTROS! said:I think some fans need to be less... Rabid.
cj_iwakura said:Does that mean fans need to be jerks to representatives trying to be polite and courteous? I think not.
TheBanditKing said:Not sure why they don't just use Vita's backwards compat with PSP titles and re release FC, SC, TC on Vita carts. I'm sure Falcom would be willing to help with that, its really just a shame its taken so long for these games to get localized.
Syraxith said:Okay I'm getting mixed signals now; my [obvious] question is:
Is LoH: SC coming out?
pancakesandsex said:Placing the blame on the consumer a midst a torrent of poorly written PR double speak is not what I'd call courteous.
Takao said:Actually, one of the Trails games are getting a Vita port. It just appears it isn't by Falcom.
wyrdwad said:I just hope that if we've upset or offended you, we can make up for it in the future. We're doing everything we can to bring you great games we think are worth playing, and we want nothing more than for you to enjoy them.
Not sure about Trails of Blue, but I just beat Trails of Zero and, sure there are at least two or three really obvious loose ends, but there isn't a cliffhanger ending, at least not on the same level as Trails in the Sky First Chapter.Yeah, Trails of Zero, the beginning of the NEW series. Protip, that one ends on a cliffhanger too and the sequel, Trails of Blue, picks up in the same SCENE.
duckroll said:"Maybe".
Lol.