chertipros
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Well of course that's it. Those darn lazy developers
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Yakuza 1 & 2 HD (Wii U) screenshots
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shakin_haitian
Banned
Do you *honestly* think the Wii U has less power than the PS3?
Hero of Legend
Member
Can you take some HD shots if possible?
Until proven otherwise, yes.
Show me the quality of Uncharted 3 and we will talk.
Twenty7KVN
Member
I think we should all wait until the game is done before making comparison.
Willy Wanka
my god this avatar owns
Shame it looks like a naff port. Not that it will get released in Europe anyway so I shouldn't be too bothered.
Really? So you have to quit to the main menu to retry a battle game mission still? Barf.
Wow this will continue on forever I see.
shakin_haitian
Banned
Wow.
I understand the Wii U isn't going to look as good as the PS4/Infinite but you cannot honestly believe that the Wii U isn't going to have games that are going to look better than what the PS3 can do. That's just being stupid.
chertipros
Member
Of course not, but that doesn't mean that they're equal in all areas. The ps3 just might be better suited to running ports like this. IIRC the ps2 had ports of dream cast games that didn't run as well either and we all know the ps2 was more powerful overall. We can't just attribute this to "lazy developers"
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I would be shocked if the visuals improved by the time the thing comes out. This is the sort of thing that - with these sorts of releases - never seems to get fixed.
LiquidSolid
Member
There's no question it's less powerful in at least a couple of areas. RAM bandwidth for one.
But of course we don't know the exact specs of the Wii U because Nintendo won't release them, which may be a smart PR move but it in turn fucks over third party developers. So instead of blaming developers for being "lazy," how about you direct that blame towards Nintendo for creating this situation in the first place?
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Graphics comparisons of HD remasters based on 800 × 450 images? Only on Kotaku!
Unless these are in HD form somewhere, then carry on...
Unless these are in HD form somewhere, then carry on...
What would developers do differently if they knew an additional number or two? They still need to test real world performance either way. Not every CPU performs the same on the same clocks or whatever.
So would you say the PS4 is less powerful than the PS3 due to the Cell being so beastly?
Show me a game on the PS3 that looks like Uncharted 3 and isn't a closed linear "cinematic experience". Uncharted is so shallow the graphics aren't impressive to me at all. Small game.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Even so you can't miss the lesser textures. You can't mask that with blur especially when the images are clear enough to make that comparison.
Uncharted pot shots? Ok.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Maybe lesser texture filtering, not lesser textures, and yes you can miss it depending on how they re sized and compressed the images since they're clearly not native res. Otherwise it wouldn't be a HD release.
shakin_haitian
Banned
Due to the awesome RAMwidth.
You'd think if Iwata was being all chummy with Nagoshi showing the excitement of this being released in Japan, he might want to show the same excitement to localize it for NA? I hope so.
Hero of Legend
Member
I think the Wii U shots are from the GamePad, I think the res is 800x450 which these shots, and Miiverse shots are.
Kotaku's popup image viewer shows them in 1200x700 ...
It's good enough to discern that the PS3 version runs in higher resolution. Probably 1080p vs 720p. Texture assets seem exactly equal. Any apparent texture blur in the Wii U version is probably caused by lower resolution, especially on inclined surfaces.
E.g. look at the ground texture in the big street overview shot. It's completely equivalent at the bottom. But if you let your eyes wander off the white sideline on the right sight, behind the first lady, you see blur kicking in on the Wii U shot.
Super-long story short: downsampling from a higher render resolution not only produces edge AA, but also AF.
So, texture sharpness distribution is the second indicator for higher res on PS3, while at the same time the equivalent sharpness on oblique and very close surfaces suggests equal texture assets.
Thanks. Top shot is definitely upscaled from something less, and lacks AA. Bottom shot seems legit 1080p w/ 2xMSAA.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Capcom said it was a "smash hit" it didn't bomb at all. It's going to outsell PS2 MH anyway.
I play the game, I see the dead online. You can't fool me with nonsense PR talk. It hasn't even outsold the shitty pack in title at retail. Wii U owners, you suck.Capcom said it was a "smash hit" it didn't bomb at all. It's going to outsell PS2 MH anyway.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Calm down.
To be fair Capcom said it was rather a "smash hit" for Japanese market.
There's about 2500 people on right now. That's not dead at all.
Unless your metric for liveliness is COD on 360 numbers, in which case, what the hell is wrong with you.
That's awfully low for being the only good game on the console.
MH1 on the PS2 was lucky to get 1000 on a good day.
It's a niche game, dude; always has been and always will be.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
It's actually IR talk, not PR talk. At retail it's done around 60-70k US in Mar/Apr and is one of the better performing retail games digitally in the west (probably due to early supply constraints). Not amazing numbers, but it's likely already outsold every Yakuza game ever released in the west.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Huh?
The numbers don't seem far removed from the best times of Tri which sold great (and was pirated). Not that I think the Wii U game sold as good but the population certainly doesn't indicate bad sales contrary to your claim.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
They reiterated it in their annual report without mention to specific region. The game seems to be doing better digitally though as they also said disc sales were softer.
Not the best comparison. When MH1 came out I had never heard of the series, now MH3U is one of my favorite games. Like comparing CoD1 players to Black Ops 2. No doubt the series is far more popular now than when MH1 came out.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Based on what? Yes, it's more popular in Japan, offline, no, it's not that much more popular in the West, with the Wii game selling the best yet, getting pirated on top, and still not having many more concurrent players.
Dunno what your point is anymore. Wii U doesn't even have that many owners to blame them for any hypothetical lack of sales.
It should improve, sure, since it can't get any worse.
metalslimer
Member
Wouldn't surprise me if the game looks worse as Sega probably had like 3 guys port this because its going to sell like 15k, but we should wait for more high quality footage
LiquidSolid
Member
Obviously but it does mean they could get quicker results, as they'd have a much better idea of what they're working on from the very beginning, instead of stumbling around in the dark at first. It's not exactly a help, is it?
To me, the lack of such a simple and easy piece of documentation just illustrates where Nintendo's priorities are: Nintendo above all others. If they cared about third party support, they would have done the same thing Sony's been doing with the PS4. Gather feedback from developers and try to design the most developer friendly system you can.
In terms of that one aspect? Sure, when used properly. But the PS4 is so much more powerful in other areas that it's completely irrelevant, whereas you can't say the same thing about the Wii U and PS3. So I assume you're fine with conceding that the Cell is far superior to the Wii U's CPU then?
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
It wouldn't be a help regardless. People know to shoot for roughly PS360 level with potential for better shaders, textures, etc thanks to known specs. Anything else needs real world tests regardless of numbers.
And of course a budget if one is to fully explore and exploit vs doing a quick port that may end up either way on any system depending on who is doing it and with what kind of resources available.
The system just doesn't align with most 3rd parties' idea of what they want to do in the next gen just as the Wii didn't align with that either. Did they put more effort on that knowing the specs?
No, not for the most part, not in a significant way that you can't give its actual mainstream success as a reason for. An additional number wouldn't change that for Wii U.
IrishNinja
Member
ah, at least the later pics werent so bad
honestly, there's not gonna be a whole helluva lot've effort here beyond getting it on the tablet, sadly
i'd happily buy this if it was localized, seeing as how the PS3 version might every easily be lost in the generational shift
because JSR just got an HD port on nearly every system, and Yakuza's awesome? might also wanna test the waters on the franchise with a new community, JSR's a classic but let's not pretend it's a series now
not to pile on here, but for better or worse, i think we can start talking when the real first party offerings show up - PS3 looked kinda assy its first year out too, wasnt till UC1 i was personally impressed
not all of us wanna hunt monsters much meng
honestly, there's not gonna be a whole helluva lot've effort here beyond getting it on the tablet, sadly
i'd happily buy this if it was localized, seeing as how the PS3 version might every easily be lost in the generational shift
because JSR just got an HD port on nearly every system, and Yakuza's awesome? might also wanna test the waters on the franchise with a new community, JSR's a classic but let's not pretend it's a series now
not to pile on here, but for better or worse, i think we can start talking when the real first party offerings show up - PS3 looked kinda assy its first year out too, wasnt till UC1 i was personally impressed
not all of us wanna hunt monsters much meng