I believe there is not enough refunds to they care about hide.
How many more times do you need to hear this, champ?
And when they pissed off all of the Shenmue fans who will refuse to buy/support the franchise anymore, and are trying to sell the game on its actual merits instead of finishing the story or relying on nostalgia - how will that play out for their bottom line? The game is not a looker, it's probably not going to be a joy to play either. It's a super niche game that relies on its fans, and they just nuked its goodwill from orbit.
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You're free to feel that way, just like I am to feel the way that I do. For me, it all goes back to betrayal of the fans. They essentially used the Kickstarter fans that even made this possible as a cash advance to shop their game around, and continually have sold out to whoever will give them more money. Not only this, the game isn't even out yet and they've already squelched on several rewards (that people paid extra money for). Not to mention that the game's been delayed several times, there are almost no actual updates on the game itself, the features, etc. We get what, 3 trailers in a few years? No insight on what they're working on, how the progress is coming, etc.I am sorry, but that is beyond petty knowing the history of the game series, all of the efforts to get it revived, etc... to wish for it to fail just because instead of the game being on Steam it comes on the EGS unless you ask for a refund or wait a while longer... or get it on consoles. Not just petty, the mother of all over reactions
I still think that wishing this to fail is to be a big overreaction, but anyways...
What betrayal? You described how Kickstarter works in and of itself. You provide a budget, you push and push, and the game maker tries to deliver the vision you are enabling and unless they promised that if you pledged money they would never ask for additional money through slacker backer camoaigns (common parts of the process) or seek a publisher to help them cover the game costs and aim even higher.
What rewards have been eliminated / changed? Do you have the kickstarter update where these were announced?
We have had regular kickstarter updates, we have trailer updates, and presentations at MagicMonaco, and at E3 it was actually playable. Given everything that went with the game, the hostility it received from some gamers and pro game bloggers, the size of the team, and the scope of a typical Shenmue game... well, considering what they have shown at E3 and what people played... well... scammed is one of the most incorrect adjectives I could use for how I am feeling about it and with good reasons.
Yes, because it was gamers that constantly pushed for it to happen that is likely to have changed the tides and allowed some help from interested parties to tip the scale. I am a fan of the series, followed it on DC, then on Xbox, and now on PS4, and for me getting the remasters and Shenmue III (very happy about what they have shown and allowed people to play at E3) and possibly a Shenmue IV to complete the story (or bring it closer ) is something I reasonably look forward to.
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I’ve always been a computer and console gamer, going all the way back to the 8-bit days. I was a PC and Dreamcast gamer back then. I was part of the Dreamcast/SegaNet crew that migrated over to Xbox/Xbox Live, because of all the Sega Xbox support and continuation of console online gaming. I’ve never owned a PlayStation console. So as a big Shenmue fan, I backed the PC platform. I actually would have bought a PS4 if that was the only platform that Shenmue 3 was released on. I’m just glad Shenmue 3 is coming out at all. I also don’t have much rage hate that it’s an Epic store exclusive. To be honest, if I had a choice, I would prefer for Shenmue 3 to be on GOG.
This is a big budget title being developed as essentially an indie title, if you are this upset about how they raised capital to get this made then I think your expectations were unrealistic from the beginning. If this project was going to get anywhere close to Yu's vision, 6 million was nowhere close to enough money.
If you think the result we got at E3 looks like a 47 million dollar game(estimated cost of Shenmue 1), you're being dishonest. It's a scaled back game, and it's not essentially an indie title, it is an indie title. The game looks as good as I'd expect for 6 million. If you think they've spent the 6 million well, how the hell would you even know, because they have been completely silent on where the budget went. I was happy with the footage of the game, but it looked like Shenmue. Not like a AAA game in 2019, but a sharper version of a 2001 game.
I'm not sure what you're arguing about anymore. You're just piecing my posts apart and going off on tangents. Let's just agree to disagree on the entire way this project was handled.
At this point it probably should have remained a pipedream. The success rate of these big-name Kickstarters has been abysmally low in terms of delivering an actual playable game people liked. Bloodstained is the last one I remember being good. Mighty No. 9 was of course a colossal disaster.
What's the logic here?
I was a console gamer foremost when I was younger, but nowadays I've chosen to buy most of my games on PC if they were available. I imagine a lot of people when they grew up got more access to a PC, as well as an interest in using a PC and slowly moved over to being PC gamers. More so during the MMORPG craze of 2000-2010. I don't see how being a fan of the original two games on DC, somehow must mean you might not have moved over to PC gaming and that you are married to the idea of being a console gamer that plays all games on console.
So you admit you don't game on PC but everyone who does should listen to you and realize you're right? You haven't even followed discussions if you think what you claim hasn't already been said a million times, then refuted a million times with actual arguments from people who know what they're talking about (and those going ignored a million times for people to continue spewing the same ignorant bs while claiming they really don't care about the issue and neither should anyone else). You don't have to care about any of this, you can play how you want, but passing judgement on what others should care about, care enough to be more informed about all the implications and the actual issues on hand more than you and happen to wish to speak against it? Words, what a crime! Especially if it's such a tiny minority as you think? Just ignore this pitiful noise then, how's it affecting you in any way whatsoever, that some speak against it? Just move on if you're so detached from the issue rather than try to tell others they're wrong to have a different opinion because in fact you know best despite not even gaming on PC. Just the fact it took a Fortnite level of success for a prominent competitor to show up should hint you in that in fact it's not "just a launcher" otherwise every company would have its own and we'd all be fine and already accustomed to buying directly from the given publisher for every single game purchase, instead we have gaming colossi try and fail like how Microsoft tried and failed and now default to Steam and how Bethesda tried and failed and now default to Steam (I guess Microsoft and Bethesda alongside the vast majority of gaming companies out there who don't have a deal with EGS and continue to use Steam hate money, or maybe it's that they're too big for Epic to outright buy with a few million dollars without offering the same level of services as Steam, huh, could that possibly be a factor, because they also know a lot more than someone who doesn't even game on PC, maybe, hell, couldn't that also apply to those who do have a deal with EGS for this or that game, but still choose to release others on Steam?) and so on. Duh. Nope, it's obvious everyone against it is either a raging Steam fanboy or a shill paid by Valve, even if they happily use other "launchers", other than Steam, other than EGS. Totes.
Got them both as Christmas gifts in their respective release years. Been hoping for them to make part 3 ever since seeing the punch out ending to part 2. I also hope they fail for this bullshit.
Assuming the ballpark number of $100k per person per year for development costs (This Kotaku article pins it at $10k per person per month), that $6 million would support 15 full-time staff members over the course of 4 years.
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Again, disagreeing with you on a discussion topic in a discussion forum that people wish to discuss out of interest, while you get in to proclaim you have no interest (and show no knowledge of) because you don't even game on PC but wish to tell whoever they're wrong, isn't "crying". It's not "just a launcher", what did this post even add to the conversation that you didn't already say, that I didn't already reply to? Should I just quote my last post since you show you neither read it nor commented on anything it brought to the table in an attempt to inform your ignorant ranting? Who exactly claimed 100% of the backers were in it for Steam? Are you just crying that others are crying? People shouldn't have "cried" and just accepted it is what it is rather than get them to submit to the pressure and at least offer refunds to those who want them as they just caved in doing? Doesn't denying refunds for what you claim is a pitiful amount of backers make it even worse as it's not like they'd lose much money in the first place? Even if it's true most backers weren't in it for Steam, doesn't the noise made actually prove more (informed) people agreed with them even if you don't?
My point is go and check how many actual PC players backed this. More than 90% are console. this whole fiasco as if they "betrayed" the 90+%.
Oh and btw not the developers or Kickstarter are refunding the money, Epic just announced they will give you your money back. So not only do you have your cash back because its too much work to install another launcher, you can actually still buy it on PC if you wish. So you lost nothing. So how much longer will you cry about this?
It won't kill anything and a lot of people will continue to give money - not invest - in return for a reward.
Yeah, I should have clarified this since I started by talking about Kickstarter projects. It was meant in a general context and not exclusively on the crowdfunding platform.
