AdawgDaFAB
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No one should be shock to know a Hokuto adaption is bad when Ai o Torimodose!! is nowhere to be found.
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Warriors Series Community Thread | Analyzing the complexities of Square and Triangle
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ShogunDarius
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yeah to buy, not free or on disc
Oh man really? I didn't know! I looked at a DLC list in Koei Wiki and it didn't mention the Wii U except for the Santa outfit, but I guess they were there just from the start except for the Japenese ps3 exclusive ones.
Gonna check right now, I deleted Hyper from the Wii U when I needed space for Monster Hunter and other minor games, but I think I can check on the eShop.
Well true, but that's not what I meant. I mistakenly thought that Hyper did not even have the option to buy the old DLC.
I was shock when I saw this had been left out.
Friggin "ding ding".
But beyond that, I just always saw it as a mechanic that was meant to enforce the use of the Weapon Change system, when I thought the variety it offers in itself was good enough to warrant it. I would have rather had the AI be able to take advantage of the Change system for itself, than "type effectiveness" in play. Ah, well, though.
Yep. If at least everybody got revamped attacks, that would've been one thing.
But here we are, it's 2014, and Nene and Kunoichi are still largely clones of each other. Among other things that haven't change enough. Even the DW side has gotten rid of its clones by now.
AdawgDaFAB
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I haven't played vanilla since the SSM7 launch, but in 8XL the enemies will use switch attcks on you and change when you have a weapon advantage. A bunch of times I've tried to build up a storm rush only to be knocked away and be at a weapon disadvantage.
It's very odd that people are saying there "might be." There either is or there isn't...that kind of item would be easy to spot.
Pancakes, there's no skills gained to get around this AFAIK, but weapons can be equipped with gems to make them stronger/add elements/etc. So I guess the speculation is that there's a gem for this, but people should have found that by now unless it's incredibly rare.
The thing is, I think Shinsoku needs to be limited against officers or it would be a bit broken. It would be too easy to fly through stages and take out everyone with little effort if it was available for use on everyone. And again, you can use it on officers- you just need to have stunned them or broken through their guard first.
Makes sense to me...experiment in DW/SW, put the polished results in WO.
I think this is where we really disagree. I have no real problems with this new system.
...But I do agree with you here. I guess it doesn't feel as bad with only four mainline SW games and a bigger gap inbetween their releases.
dakkumauji
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I do think the new 6th starred weapons at least this time have different affinities. And at least the DLC weapons (which I can't use on the Vita version yet :E) do too.
And as AdawgDaFAB mentioned, enemy officers love using weapon switch on you now.
Yeah, Nene and Kunoichi still using the same weapons is just silly. I mean, it is good their charges are almost different and their Godspeed moves are different. It just seems lazy as it definitely seems like they have the idea of what direction each character is going (Nene throws her daggers and Kunoichi slashes with them) but not give Nene something new instead. Like dunno, shurikens or something.
razgriz417
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Just fyi for those wanting DW8 on 360 used is $13 at Gamefly right now
http://www.gamefly.com/Buy-Dynasty-Warriors-8/5005680/?adtrackingid=cmju029#axzz2xl5tGtrn
http://www.gamefly.com/Buy-Dynasty-Warriors-8/5005680/?adtrackingid=cmju029#axzz2xl5tGtrn
Was thinking of picking up Dynasty Warriors 8 XL but gonna wait a while for patches etc to appear. I was however looking at Warriors Orochi 3. Is Warriors Orochi 3 on the PS3 PSN the only version that we have over in the west ? We didn't get any of the other versions did we ?
If you're talking about Warriors Orochi 3 then yeah it was.
If there's a chance we might get the new version of that I'll hold off for now.I'm still playing Dynasty Warriors NEXT on the Vita so I might go for something different and pick up TRINITY: Souls of Zill O'll. Always liked the demo for that and it's going for £16 on the UK PSN now.
PensivePen
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I do wish the Wii U version wasn't so technically flawed. It would be nice to have a Musou game that wasn't terrible to play on it while waiting to see how Hyrule Warriors turns out.
Oh, really? Cool, that's good to hear. I may have to pick up 8XL, once the JP VA DLC is out!
So much for my "promise" to not overdo it on Musou-style hack-n-slashers, this year. But how can I resist with the likes of Kamen Rider Battride 2 and Zelda Musou just over the horizon...? C8
And I'm hoping that they'll pull the trigger on such a thing soon. I mean, it just seems a bit odd when the likes of Oichi and Masamune have both been given entirely new movesets over time (even when their original ones were pretty damn unique), but the two ninja ladies have been slumming it with being clones for quite a while.
killatopak
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Do gundam games and sengoku basara count here?
pancakesandsex
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It's very odd that people are saying there "might be." There either is or there isn't...that kind of item would be easy to spot.
Pancakes, there's no skills gained to get around this AFAIK, but weapons can be equipped with gems to make them stronger/add elements/etc. So I guess the speculation is that there's a gem for this, but people should have found that by now unless it's incredibly rare.
The thing is, I think Shinsoku needs to be limited against officers or it would be a bit broken. It would be too easy to fly through stages and take out everyone with little effort if it was available for use on everyone. And again, you can use it on officers- you just need to have stunned them or broken through their guard first.
Makes sense to me...experiment in DW/SW, put the polished results in WO.
I think this is where we really disagree. I have no real problems with this new system.
...But I do agree with you here. I guess it doesn't feel as bad with only four mainline SW games and a bigger gap inbetween their releases.
So charge 2 then unload?
As long as you have them in a state where they can't block, you're free to use Shinsoku on officers just like all the other enemy characters.
Yeah, the only thing I've found is that it's (sadly) not a fool-proof solution. What I've found so far is that it can stagger them, but more often than not, they'll go into some type of hyper armor state if you try to launch/juggle them. I've fared better just going for the stun or just going back to the old fashioned way.Either it's because that gem skill isn't high enough, my characters' Godspeed isn't high enough or what have you.
I suppose the main thing I'm looking for now is whatever extends "Awakening" mode, like in that Naotora video.
Samurai_Heart
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Yeah feel free to talk about them, quite a number of people in here has imported those games, I'm sure.
The Vita port of DW8XL is depressing me on the badly aspect ratioed button icons X'D. As well as the framerate T-T, I'll make due till I get a PS4 to remote play with.
pancakesandsex
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Hurray! I'm helping. ::clap::
I thought it played just fine. There's some noticable pop-in, but apart from that I didn't have any problems. Are your impressions from before or after the patch?
Samurai_Heart
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Yep the Wii U version does have some pop-in problems, would recommend turning the Wii U pad screen as the map screen if you want slightly improved framerates though. More than likely Nintendo will make sure to help Koei on the Wii U's tech for Hyrule Warriors though.
Good to know it's not broken and yeah, it could just mean more leveling is needed first.
That awakening mode extension you're talking about is one of the scroll items. Forget which one but I can check since I should already have it equipped.
dakkumauji
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Well from what videos I seen (inb4 anyone makes a joke about judging musou games on watching a video), if this skills prevents the whole officer basically stopping your entire Godspeed combo from blocking you, it sounds like it would be pretty useful.
That seems to be what I see as the main problem of Godspeed, how you get utterly stopped the moment an officer appears in your path.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oYUJGc0j5uc
New Kamen Rider Battride War II trailer!
New Kamen Rider Battride War II trailer!
ShogunDarius
Member
I mentioned this on twitter but I really don't like Zhang Liao's new VA, it doesn't suit the character
Got the game on both platforms- It has a good framerate on Vita and excellent sound quality. It's a great port.
Cheers Lyte, I will pickup on payday. Got sengoku basara 4 incoming as well so should be busy for awhile, still debating DW8XL PS4 as i prefer Empires to XL but we will see if these two dont keep me busy till WO3U PS4.
HYPE. Can't wait for this one to come out, too. The only bad thing about 8ing becoming a nice force in the Musou-like genre is that it meant the end of their Climax Heroes fighting game series.
RoboticOperatingBuddy
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quick question: I've reached the Battle of jiangdong on Hyper, and when I get to the part where I'm supposed to meet Rachel, the game crashes without fail. Is there any way for me to get past this without having to start over from the beginning, because from what I understand, this is the last stage I have left to do before I unlock the real final battle, and I've spent too long working to get all my bonds up to really consider starting over
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
I think the steadily declining sales were what killed the CH series. It's a shame too, since as the sales went down, the quality went up.
AdawgDaFAB
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRUoF5Kjae4
Oh man, I didn't know about this change in Orochi Ultimate. This makes me want the game so much more than I previously did.
Edit: I posted this in the 8 thread, but it will likely apply to all their ps4 games.
Oh man, I didn't know about this change in Orochi Ultimate. This makes me want the game so much more than I previously did.
It's a damn shame. I always enjoyed the games they did built off the old Bloody Roar engine. I spent countless hours playing the Gekitou Ninja Taisen and Heat the Soul series. I was hoping the Climax Heroes line would go on for some time, but I suppose it evolved into Battride War instead. I'll mourn the end of their non-Capcom fighters, but I'm still super hype for BW2.
Now if only the damn 3DS wasn't region locked and I could play Travelers Senki. I want all the fun Kamen Rider games damnit! >_>
Edit: I posted this in the 8 thread, but it will likely apply to all their ps4 games.
Lee Chaolan
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRUoF5Kjae4
Oh man, I didn't know about this change in Orochi Ultimate. This makes me want the game so much more than I previously did.
It's a damn shame. I always enjoyed the games they did built off the old Bloody Roar engine. I spent countless hours playing the Gekitou Ninja Taisen and Heat the Soul series. I was hoping the Climax Heroes line would go on for some time, but I suppose it evolved into Battride War instead. I'll mourn the end of their non-Capcom fighters, but I'm still super hype for BW2.
Now if only the damn 3DS wasn't region locked and I could play Travelers Senki. I want all the fun Kamen Rider games damnit! >_>
Edit: I posted this in the 8 thread, but it will likely apply to all their ps4 games.
I've always believed we were going to get this out west, better chance now with the ps4 port and all the tweets hinting at such.
I freaking loved WO3, I need the Ultimate edition.
bagandscalpel
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRUoF5Kjae4
Oh man, I didn't know about this change in Orochi Ultimate. This makes me want the game so much more than I previously did.
Oh damn, it's now like Hokuto Musou 1, where everybody could jump cancel.
GrayFoxPL
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Played quite a bit of online FoTNS2 and it was fun.
There are only 2 modes: co-op and team match.
Co-op is just standard dream match missions done with 2 players but TM is pretty cool. It's the only mode that makes sense with game's system with unlocked moveset. Here all characters are stripped of scrolls and only have 2 preset super moves. Basically every one is equal just pick a favorite character. Minimum 4 players are divided in 2 random teams and game throws you on a map where the it gives you random missions, team that does best wins, though there are weird outcomes where you think one team is winning most missions but ends up losing in the end somehow, lol.
No one said it out load but we probably play to get 2 online trophies that game has, but getting more then 3 players to play this is a pain. Almost no one plays. Doesn't mean it isn't fun.
Maybe some of you guys want to play some online sessions in this tomorrow?
There are only 2 modes: co-op and team match.
Co-op is just standard dream match missions done with 2 players but TM is pretty cool. It's the only mode that makes sense with game's system with unlocked moveset. Here all characters are stripped of scrolls and only have 2 preset super moves. Basically every one is equal just pick a favorite character. Minimum 4 players are divided in 2 random teams and game throws you on a map where the it gives you random missions, team that does best wins, though there are weird outcomes where you think one team is winning most missions but ends up losing in the end somehow, lol.
No one said it out load but we probably play to get 2 online trophies that game has, but getting more then 3 players to play this is a pain. Almost no one plays. Doesn't mean it isn't fun.
Maybe some of you guys want to play some online sessions in this tomorrow?
I hope that the upcoming PS4 version of Musou Orochi 2 Ultimate/Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate gets proper optimization & to not make it feel like a cross-gen title, especially when they've already released it on PS3 & PS Vita back in September last year.
Should be no excuse; PS4 is much more powerful & more developer friendly than the PS3 is.
Should be no excuse; PS4 is much more powerful & more developer friendly than the PS3 is.
It's going to feel cross gen no matter what. They built all the assets for the PS3. They can make it look sharper, run better, etc. but I wouldn't expect a real step up in Warriors titles until the first few proper games developed with the PS4/Xbone in mind.
And I'd argue that the declining sales was due to their insistence to stay on the PSP/Wii (even when Japanese audiences finally started to move on to the PS3), and making it a yearly affair on top of that. It was overkill after a while, and unlike with the Naruto GNT games, your pool of dedicated die-hards who were always going to show up to buy year after year was much smaller.
It's all I can hope that somehow, someway, they'll get another chance to make more fighters. Both GNT and CH were such great games, and I'd like to think 8ing's experiences with Capcom only made them even more capable.
Unless you care about storytelling, go with DW8. Much better gameplay overall and no more weapon clone movesets, since everybody now has their own EX weapon.
Definitely Dynasty Warriors 8.
Warriors Orochi-style FE Musou is like a fanboy wet dream
It really is a perfect match. I'd actually like some elements from Bladestorm as well.
Noisepurge
Member
I can join up, atleast for that one trophy
i'll send you a PSN friend request, same nick.I can join up, atleast for that one trophy
Awesome
Samurai_Heart
Member
Here's that Dynasty Warriors: Gundam Reborn game that's apparently download only in North America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rSqh-tDuwgE
Available in July, hope Samurai Warriors 4 gets localised/announced already...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rSqh-tDuwgE
Available in July, hope Samurai Warriors 4 gets localised/announced already...