I doubt, that this was the case. He had help from Salvatori and Paul McCartney and he proved more than once, that he is very capable of creating awesome music.
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Marty O'Donnell Fired By Bungie
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I doubt, that this was the case. He had help from Salvatori and Paul McCartney and he proved more than once, that he is very capable of creating awesome music.
Possible they didn't want it to sound like Halo. Which it did... at least to me, all the scores just kind of remind me of Halo but that might be a combination of things and my mind reaching for it.
But he should have zero problem getting snatched up by another studio. He is a talent many would love to work with.
But he should have zero problem getting snatched up by another studio. He is a talent many would love to work with.
If he's such a hothead why did he wait 4 days to send a tweet saying he's sad about what happened?
What's so offensive and manipulative about saying "terminated without cause", he's not claiming he was wrongfully fired. Maybe he didn't want to say fired, or just terminated. Youre claiming he's socially manipulating people, I don't think he purposefully sent a tweet that is part of a social interaction that lets people know what other people are doing to be posted on message boards, and news sites just so he can theoretically get revenge on Bungie.
he didn't say he was fired for no reason, he said he was terminated without cause which means he was not fired for misconduct (termination for cause). Another way of putting it is that he was fired for a non-specified reason. Everyone is obviously fired for some reason, but if you're an at-will employee or contractor, the employer does not have to provide the reason unless they want to fight unemployment benefits or some contract stipulation.
Even if he were guilty of misconduct, they could still terminate him without cause. It's a legal distinction that affects unemployment, severance, etc. where "without cause" is the more desirable outcome for the employee.
PachinkoChampBruh
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I think no game should ever go 2 E3's without an immediate release.
Madness I know but I love to dream.
Not surprising. Marty was probably the most famous person at Bungie.
veloxStrix
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How is that nonsense? O'Donnel has been the composer for games by Bungie since Halo 1, and is one of the most well known composers. Every Halo game except for the original has been nominated for best score in VGX awards. Halo ODST actually won. So, yes, the firing of Marty O'Donnel is a surprise, because he's the bridge between every game. He's the nostalgia connector between pre-343 Halo and Destiny. He is an integral part of Bungie, when I think of Bungie employees, I think Jason Jones, Pete Parsons, and Marty O'Donnel.
Do I feel like Bungie did it as some sort of fan vendetta? No, of course not. But I can completely understand the outrage from fans of the series.
EDIT: It's especially bad for them to fire him, since they will probably use the majority of his work for the game. Unless I'm mistaken, right about now in the dev cycle is when he would have finished his work (judging from early releases of soundtracks for Halo 2 and 3).
The backlash is slowly started to build up on their facebook too. I'm happy with this. I hope the internet comes down on them hard.
It's complete nonsense that Valnen says it was done (sacking Marty) because they don't care about the quality of their product and they don't care about their fans.
Which is total nonsense for anyone to fire someone, to fuck up their own product and to piss off their fans.
Did you read what he said before piling on me, supporting that nonsense.
Best of all, Destiny will be scored and sound designed by one Marty O'Donnell.
Everything that every human does in communication is on some level a manipulation. The way you construct your language determines how people perceive you...the manipulation is others perception of you.
Once you begin to think like that then you'll
stop assuming people have no motives. It may not be premeditated, calculated revenge ...the punishment I referred to could easily be an impulsive feeling believing he's been wronged and a motivating force to show how wrong they are.
He could easily have assumed no one would challenge him. And people can be hotheads at any time...maybe he had a drink and made a mistake.
What is not mistaken is that his word choice, platforn choice, and conposition/style were adversarial in tone. He made a conscious decision to challenge Bungie. I gave a perfect example of a less aggressive way to convey -more- clarity without revealing anything.
I'm not one to assume a 20 year software dev is too dumb to understand the consequences of word choice. So the next observstions become: impulsivity, feeling wronged, desire to punish thevparty that wronged you.
He cannot punish legally in an at will state. But surely he can mess with Bungies rep avlittle by putting them in a situation with no way to resolve....and then refusing to cooperate.
Your point of view operates around him being...innocent? Non manipulative? Human nature informs us that all humans are inherently manipulators of our environment and others. It's just rarelt conscious control, hence why people fuck everything up in their personal relationships.
XANDER CAGE
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Longer than that.
ClivePwned
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holy shit, chris pratt!
Dark Octave
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I mean't as far as having nothing to do for 4 or 5 years of development.
Latvian Hitman
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Don't get me wrong- I'm sad to see Marty go, but seeing people digging in and picking sides the way they are with zero information to back up their position is kind of pathetic.
In the movie industry, firing the composer is always the "easy pill to swallow" when test screenings don't bring satisfying audience reactions. It's an easy change to make when all the shots are in the can, the edit & vfx is already done and dusted.
Normally the suits then bring in someone who can do the usual orchestral bombast to distract the audience from the fact that they have a stinker in front of them
Normally the suits then bring in someone who can do the usual orchestral bombast to distract the audience from the fact that they have a stinker in front of them
I know the legal term for it, but I meant people who automatically assumed he was fired for no reason what so ever.
Hale-XF11
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Actually, that's exactly what it means.
T
Transhuman
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The game has been in development for at least 5 years, I doubt they fired him because they want to rework the entire audio in 16 weeks.
The Albatross
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BrickArmour
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This thread is moving fast... did you guys see this?
mangochutney
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The best posts are those that open with, or at least contain words to the effect of 'I/we don't know all the information, but fuck you Bungie board'.
I think situations like this just play into our cynical nature
I think the game is going to pretty damn good. I am more concerned with what Activision's influence could be like post release. Some of the COD additions lately seem like a poorly timed April Fools joke. I would hope biannual releases and retail grade expansions inbetween would be enough, but who knows. At least in this case Bungie is still independent and should have more creative control over the products.
As for the present circumstance, it would be good for them to clarify what happened. Too much speculation can be damaging, as we have observed.
I have, but I personally can't put too much faith in an anonymous rumor like that. If true though it validates how I feel about this.
The replacement score for TROY by composer James Horner who came in for the fired Gabriel Yared was written in about four weeks. So 16 weeks would be plenty of time.
The game is months away from release, he's probably already done a ton of work for that game already.
With a September release, the game is done at the start of August. Content is probably locked in on or before June... so I think we're good here.
XANDER CAGE
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As I and several others have stated, Bungie operates in a state with at-will employment. He wouldn't have been given an official cause for termination.
CassidyIzABeast
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Latvian Hitman
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Yep. They fired him, not his music- they'll be keeping that.
No. It isn't.
There you go.
Not good enough, as shown by the comments under that.
They won't be getting any more of it for future games though, which leaves them in a rather bad position.
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Future Endeavors is code for Fuck You
-tetsuo-
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Why?
They fired our favorite composer without our consent? Without cause?
"We wish him luck in all his fuck you" doesn't have a ring to it.
Ew. Why?
Servbot #42
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Trust me thats good enough, do you expect them to reveal why he was fired? you crazy?
Because I don't believe they should just be allowed to sweep this under the rug.
Neither is a portent of good things. I imagine that firing someone like Marty could have a very deleterious effect on the staff and overall culture of the team. Such a shame.
Vire
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This is incredibly silly, what do you think Bungie is going to make a post saying: Hey internet and Bungie fans, do you think we should fire Marty O' Donnell?
No? Okay.
-tetsuo-
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You don't need someones consent to fire them and we don't know the cause.
freenudemacusers
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they also hired him without your consent
Jest Chillin
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Do you feel that every game that was not scored and engineered by Marty has bad music that makes the experience suffer? Because that's what you're implying when you make statements like this and that's why people feel you're being disproportionally passionate about the situation.
Maybe whoever Bungie hires next will be just as good. Maybe they're not as good but still better than most. Maybe they'll be forgettable. However seeing as how we have absolutely no clue who that next person could be, it's pretty silly to speculate that Bungie is in a bad position as if it's a forgone conclusion.
-tetsuo-
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Sweep what under the rug? They fired an employee. It happens quite a lot.
You say that like he was some nobody at the company.
This could have seriously dire consequences on the future quality of their products.