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Marvel going street level w/ Netflix (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist)
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NotTheGuyYouKill
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I'm surprised Ike Perlmutter emails people himself.
I thought he was just a shadowy figure from behind the scenes with hundreds of frontmen.
YES!
I thought he was just a shadowy figure from behind the scenes with hundreds of frontmen.
If sony is really intent on this Sinister Six movie, they need to get the guys who did Jump Street. Let them get nasty with this
YES!
fallengorn
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We don't say his name.
If sony is really intent on this Sinister Six movie, they need to get the guys who did Jump Street. Let them get nasty with this
That would make for a great pairing.
PhoncipleBone
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If sony is really intent on this Sinister Six movie, they need to get the guys who did Jump Street. Let them get nasty with this
I would be down with that.
I think the part from that series that made me laugh the most was the page where you see the car going off the pier, and they have the x-ray panel showing Shocker tied up in the trunk.
Jest Chillin
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Most likely a different brand of the same flavor. Goddard and DeKnight both cut their teeth in Whedon rooms (Buffy and Angel) and they're good friends.
He's not actually a real person; Marvel executives use the Perlmutter name whenever they need to make decisions that are unpopular within the company or when they need to deliver bad news.
Those are pretty interesting and predate the announcement of Goddard's departure (that was at the end of May). Are there more emails that are dated after that? Because it could be that they managed to settle the split after talking with Sony.
marvel has a modbot?
I didn't look too hard, but the only other ones I saw were someone at Sony asking Amy Pascal to ask Ike Perlmutter if there was anything they could do to help the situation, and a seperate email outlining Drew Goddard's full deal with Sony including a compensation bonus for every season Daredevil runs.
Keep we're only seeing Sony's end of the correspondence, not what was going on internally at Marvel. We only have the email between Loeb and Perlmutter because Perlmutter forwarded it to Amy Pascal.
EDIT: Just found more information
BronsonLee
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Can the next Marvel Netflix series just be a documentary following Ike Perlmutter around
It would be like following around The Living Tribunal.
He really screwed himself over.
BronsonLee
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I'd picture Ike just straight up attacking the cameraman every time he saw him
I don't think they care too much, tbh.
It's ok, he'll probably be crying on a bed full of money (to get more specific with what Sony was offering):
https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/82585
And we all know a second season of Daredevil will happen eventually.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Why are they paying Goddard such obscene amounts of money when he isn't even working on the show anymore
Decent round up of emails here:
I do like that apparently Drew Goddard had outlined a second season:
They have to make it up to the man for leaving a big project to join their project, especially if Daredevil turns out successful, which is what the money is specifically for. $4.25 million bonus for Daredevil getting a second season is pretty sweet for him when, as you say, he isn't working on the show anymore.
I do like that apparently Drew Goddard had outlined a second season:
They have to make it up to the man for leaving a big project to join their project, especially if Daredevil turns out successful, which is what the money is specifically for. $4.25 million bonus for Daredevil getting a second season is pretty sweet for him when, as you say, he isn't working on the show anymore.
razzmahtazz
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I get the part where Sony is paying Drew for the estimated loss in salary for leaving Daredevil. But why was Drew getting litigious with Marvel? Was Marvel forcing him to finish his contracts?
peanutbutterlatte
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The problems that prevented Edgar Wright from going through with Ant-Man would still be present with Spider-Man, but damn if a Wright directed Spidey flick isn't my dream.
With Pegg as Herman Schultz.
Plasticine
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He won't see a dime of those promised bonuses. They're all tied to the performance of a movie that will never happen.
TVexperto
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Can someone explain what im reading here (ELI5)? What does Sony have to do with Daredevil on Netflix?
DonasaurusRex
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all that blogging and speculating did wonders for Carol Danvers! Who can we elevate next...I want some New Warriors action, Night Thrasher and Namorita cream and coffee love and loss so we can bring in Nights half brother Bandit.....
quick everyone name drop Bandit and Night Thrasher ...it would add to diversity in the movies!
Considering he burned his Marvel bridges and now Marvel is essentially running Spider-Man behind the scenes, I'd say it's doubtful.
If I'm understanding it correctly:
He couldn't do both Daredevil and Sinister Six full time, so he walked from Daredevil. Sony and Marvel have a working relationship, and Marvel wanted to be free of certain contractual obligations to compensate Drew for work he was no longer going to be doing, and Sony would agree to pick up the check for his lost wages on Daredevil. They were trying to avoid litigation and make everybody happy and somehow Drew ended up with nothing to do.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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So... is Sinister Six or a Goddard-led Spidey film actually happening, or no?
Now that Marvel's basically got their hands on Spidey again, but Sony's insisting on more Spider-verse flicks, which may or may not exist.
Now that Marvel's basically got their hands on Spidey again, but Sony's insisting on more Spider-verse flicks, which may or may not exist.
BronsonLee
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Glass Rebel
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Poor Goddard. Maybe Joss can put in a good word for him.
Father_Brain
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if that compensation from Sony to Drew is dependent on the production/performance of a Sinister Six movie then lol, Goddard is shit out of luck.
But weren't there rumors earlier that Marvel was pushing for Goddard to direct the new Marvel/Sony Spiderman? Maybe the bridge isn't burnt all the way.
But weren't there rumors earlier that Marvel was pushing for Goddard to direct the new Marvel/Sony Spiderman? Maybe the bridge isn't burnt all the way.
There's another email that said Goddard now wanted to sue. Unless that was already resolved, he might just be looking to get paid for Daredevil and split.
Jest Chillin
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The first bonus total (4mil number) is only dependent on a DD Season 2. There is no performance goal attatched to that because it's meant to make up for the gauranteed wages he'd have lost. This is likely because he had already laid out so much of the groundwork for S1 of DD that it's reasonable to say he was responsible for the S2 greenlight if it were to happen.
The performance based stuff is all from the potential S3 of DD.
Frosty Droid
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It's amazing Joss and Marvel haven't had an acrimonious split as well after Wright and Goddard left.
DonasaurusRex
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I may need an abridged guide to make sense of this clusterfuck. I feel like I just came late to the party.
Frosty Droid
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Wright asking Marvel for two more years so he could fast track production on The World's End for a friend and producer diagnosed with cancer isn't the same thing as procrastinating.
Though you probably shouldn't abandon a TV show halfway through production to work on a movie since it leads to unfortunate circumstances like the one he's in now.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Anything that corroborates that?
I've done a little bit of digging into the Goddard thing. Not really proud of going through the leaked stuff, feels dirty, but I was a bit too curious. 
It seems that the issue isn't with Goddard personally, but rather how the contracts were set up and the legal advice he was getting. IIRC, Loeb sends an email at one point reporting that he had spoken to Goddard personally the night before, and that it was his legal team telling him to push it to litigation, and they were both upset about it.
The core of the issue wasn't about money, it was about how Goddard had basically written two scripts and lined up the entire framework for the series, and he felt he deserved the executive producer credit, the "created by" credit, and his production company logo (Goddard Textiles I think) in the series, even if he departs in active production, if they are still using all that.
Judging from the final credits in Daredevil, it looks like they did resolve all differences and gave him all that, because he -is- credited as creator, executive producer, and Goddard Textiles appears at the end right after DeKnight Productions. There is also an email sometime in mid-May where Sony people mention that the Goddard issue has been resolved with Marvel and they're all able to move ahead now.
So yeah, it looks like it might have been a fight over contract issues regarding the credits and stuff, and there's no reason to believe that DeKnight was lying when he said that he talked with Goddard about the show while working on it. So whatever business bumps there might have been, it might not have affected any personal or creative working relationship he has with Marvel.
It seems that the issue isn't with Goddard personally, but rather how the contracts were set up and the legal advice he was getting. IIRC, Loeb sends an email at one point reporting that he had spoken to Goddard personally the night before, and that it was his legal team telling him to push it to litigation, and they were both upset about it.
The core of the issue wasn't about money, it was about how Goddard had basically written two scripts and lined up the entire framework for the series, and he felt he deserved the executive producer credit, the "created by" credit, and his production company logo (Goddard Textiles I think) in the series, even if he departs in active production, if they are still using all that.
Judging from the final credits in Daredevil, it looks like they did resolve all differences and gave him all that, because he -is- credited as creator, executive producer, and Goddard Textiles appears at the end right after DeKnight Productions. There is also an email sometime in mid-May where Sony people mention that the Goddard issue has been resolved with Marvel and they're all able to move ahead now.
So yeah, it looks like it might have been a fight over contract issues regarding the credits and stuff, and there's no reason to believe that DeKnight was lying when he said that he talked with Goddard about the show while working on it. So whatever business bumps there might have been, it might not have affected any personal or creative working relationship he has with Marvel.
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