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RTTP: The Pokemon. All 721 of them, and counting.

2 and 5 seem to me to not really have any standout extremely popular Pokemon.

Gen 1: Charizard, Blastoise, Mewtwo, Pikachu, basically everyone except oddballs like Likitung or Tangela

Gen 2: Ehhh... I guess Azumarril, Suicune and Pichu are sort of popular. This gen is a weird one because it's basically just an expansion pack for Gen 1.

Gen 3: Blaziken and Gardevoir.

Gen 4: Lucario, who might very well be the first Pokemon since gen 1 to reach gen 1 Pokemon popularity

Gen 5: Quantity over quality, meh

Gen 6: Geninja, and Malamar is kind of popular as well.
 

Toxi

Banned
Which Gen V Pokemon are actually popular? With other gens it feels pretty clear, but it seems most Unova designs are super divisive.
Golurk, Krookodile, Galvantula, Volcarona, Scrafty, Haxorus, Ferrothorn, Scolipede, Chandelure, Archeops, Excadrill, Cofagrigus, Darmanitan... Honestly, I'm a biased source because Unova easily has my favorite designs in Pokemon. Tons of creativity not seen since Gen 1.

I guess none of those are particularly popular outside Chandelure and maybe Golurk (people online loooooove Golurk), but who cares, Lucario is popular and I think he sucks.
 
Which Gen V Pokemon are actually popular? With other gens it feels pretty clear, but it seems most Unova designs are super divisive.

Tough question really, as you say they are a divisive bunch and while the dex is my favourite of those post the original when its weak, it's really weak.

I'd agree with Tiamant in that Haxorus, Krookodile and Hydreigon as the safest bets.
The field narrows heavily from there, there doesn't seem to be that one stand out either.
Looking through the Unova Dex reminds me how much I love it overall, it's an acquired taste I'm sure.

As for Gen 2 I'd consider Heracross to balladofwindfishes selection.

Golurk, Krookodile, Galvantula, Volcarona, Scrafty, Haxorus, Ferrothorn, Scolipede, Chandelure, Archeops, Excadrill, Cofagrigus, Darmanitan... Honestly, I'm a biased source because Unova easily has my favorite designs in Pokemon. Tons of creativity not seen since Gen 1.
My man!
 

Grexeno

Member
I think Gen 5 doesn't have any standouts in terms of popularity, but what is happening is that it's a lot more spread out.
 

Macka

Member
2 and 5 seem to me to not really have any standout extremely popular Pokemon.

Gen 2: Ehhh... I guess Azumarril, Suicune and Pichu are sort of popular. This gen is a weird one because it's basically just an expansion pack for Gen 1.
Espeon, Umbreon, Scizor and Tyranitar have felt super popular to me, and Lugia is one of the most popular legendaries, no? And do you mean Marill over Azumarill? Also for Kalos - Hawlucha is pretty popular.
 

Toxi

Banned
Oh I forgot about Stunfisk

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The Japanese love Stunfisk.
 

Xenoboy

Member
So you guys are telling me that the GOAT pokémon Sunflora isn't popular?
I don't believe you guys...
Oh my gosh! D:
 

brinstar

Member
It also depends on what you mean by popularity-- like in the metagame, or merchandising or just in general...?

There's also the fact that Gen 5 was shorter than the others, so the Pokemon didn't get as much time to hang around.
 

Seiniyta

Member
My favourites from each gen:

Gen 1: Caterpie, Butterfree, Venonat, Pikachu, Raichu, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Eevee, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Mewtwo

Gen 2: Quilava, Umbreon, Espeon, Suicune, Celebi

Gen 3: Mudkip, Mightyena, Zangoose, Flygon, Duskull

Gen 4: Luxray, Buizel, Lopunny, Leafeon, Glaceon, Lucario, Shaymin

Gen 5: Dewott, Archeops, Galvantula, Zorua, Mincinno, Emolga, Mienfoo, Deino, Reuniclus

Gen 6: Chespin, Chessnaught, Fennekin, Braixen, Vivillon, Meowstic (male), Aurorus, Noibat, Noiverm, Goodra, Sylveon, Yvetal

I really enjoyed the pokemon of gen 6. There weren't as many as previous gens but there were a lot more I like then previous gens.
 

Azuran

Banned
Gen 2: Ehhh... I guess Azumarril, Suicune and Pichu are sort of popular. This gen is a weird one because it's basically just an expansion pack for Gen 1.

Scizor, Ampharos, Skarmory, Heracross, Wobbuffet, Houndoom and Tyranitar are some of the most popular Pokemon in the series. Gen II had some great ones.
 

Macka

Member
My favourites from each gen:

Kanto (22): Charmander, Charizard, Squirtle, Blastoise, Pidgeot, Arbok, Nidoking, Ninetales, Growlithe, Arcanine, Machamp, Gastly, Haunter, Gengar, Cubone, Lapras, Eevee, Vaporeon, Zapdos, Dragonite, Mewtwo, Mew.
Johto (18): Totodile, Feraligatr, Crobat, Ampharos, Espeon, Umbreon, Gligar, Steelix, Sneasel, Houndoom, Donphan, Hitmontop, Raikou, Suicune, Larvitar, Tyranitar, Lugia, Ho-Oh.
Hoenn (17): Treecko, Grovyle, Sceptile, Torchic, Blaziken, Taillow, Swellow, Sableye, Electrike, Manectric, Spinda, Duskull, Absol, Metagross, Latios, Groudon, Rayquaza.
Sinnoh (13): Infernape, Shinx, Luxray, Riolu, Lucario, Weavile, Electivire, Gliscor, Mamoswine, Gallade, Rotom, Giratina, Darkrai.
Unova (6): Snivy, Sandile, Krokorok, Krookodile, Scraggy, Reuniclus.
Kalos (17): Chespin, Froakie, Frogadier, Greninja, Fletchling, Talonflame, Pancham, Pangoro, Aegislash, Tyrantrum, Hawlucha, Phantump, Trevenant, Noibat, Noivern, Xerneas, Yveltal.
 
I had no idea ppl didn't like gen 5's designs.

Oshawott was the Goat starter for me until froakie trumped him(only because froakies line is badass across the board, i hate samurott)

Sewaddle line is my favorite bug type,levanny is freaking awesome

Sawk(throh can die),blitzle,timburr line,axew line,scraggy line,sandile line.....what's wrong with you people
 

ffdgh

Member
Favorites? narrowing it down...

Buizel(da best)
Jolteon
Scrafty
Chespin/Chesnaught
Snivy/Serperior
Treecko/Grovyle
Flygon(where is my quiver dance gamefreak?!)
 

Zyrox

Member
My favs by Gen are:

Gen I: Gengar, Exeggutor
Gen II: Crobat
Gen III: Ludicolo, Sharpedo, Flygon, Latios, Groudon, M-Rayquaza
Gen IV: Torterra, Empoleon, Drapion, Drifblim, Lucario, Gliscor, Abomasnow, Garchomp, Rhyperior, Mamoswine, Dusknoir, Magnezone, Electivire, Dialga, Giratina, Darkrai
Gen V: Galvantula, Scolipede, Jellicent, Cofagrigus, Chandelure, Krookodile, Reuniclus, Golurk, Hydreigon, Volcarona, Terrakion, Zekrom
Gen VI: Tyrantrum, Aurorus, Aegislash, Pangoro, Malamar, Trevenant, Noivern, Yveltal

Bolded are if I had to pick one per Gen.
 
Favorite Pokémon by type:

Normal - Tauros
Flying - Braviary
Grass - Torterra
Bug - Galvantula
Fire - Typhlosion
Water and Ice - Lapras
Electric - Ampharos
Ground - Mamoswine
Rock - Aggron
Ghost - Giratana
Fighting and Steel - Lucario
Psychic and Fairy - Gardevior
Poison - Crobat
Dragon - Tyrantrum
Dark - Umbreon
 
My personal favorite pokemon:

Gen I: Charizard, Arcanine, Sandslash, Nidoking, Mewtwo, Kabutops, Zapdos, Eevee, Gyarados, Jolteon

Gen II: Crobat, Houndoom, Scisor, Tyranitar, Smeargle, Quagsire, Umbreon, Espeon, Lugia, Entei

Gen III: Blaziken, Swampert, Ludicolo, Gardevoir, Milotic, Duskull, Flygon, Absol, Metagross, Aggron, Sableye, Registeel, Jirachi, Rayquaza

Gen IV: Staraptor, Luxray, Roserade, Loppuny, Weavile, Glaceon, Togekiss, Garchomp, Infernape, Lucario, Darkrai, Heatran

Gen V: Volcarona, Hydreigon, Excadrill, Sawk, Scolipede, Cofagrigus, Bisharp, Chandelure, Genesect

Gen VI: Greninja, Hawlucha, Sylveon, Clawitzer, Aegislash


Yeah, Gen VI is the most underwhelming by far imo.
 

Dad

Member
Gen I: Sandslash, Arcanine, Dodrio, Gengar, Articuno, Zapdos, Mewtwo

Gen II: Typhlosion, Xatu, Jumpluff, Slowking, Murkrow, Steelix, Scizor, Ursaring, Magcargo, Raikou, Entei, Ho-Oh

Gen III: Sceptile, Breloom, Mawile, Crawdaunt, Cradily, Groudon

Gen IV: Torterra, Roserade, Honchkrow, Froslass

Gen V: Scolipede, Whimsicott, Maractus, Sigilyph, Carracosta, Cinccino, Sawsbuck, Galvantula, Golurk, Braviary, Volcarona, Zekrom

Gen VI: Meowstic, Barbaracle, Clawitzer, Tyrantrum, Trevenant, Xerneas, Mega Venusaur, Mega Gyarados, Mega Steelix, Mega Mawile

Yeah, I know I have weird taste in design. Gens III and IV really didn't do much for me. Gen IV in particular was a bad bunch. And a lot of the worst designs were unfortunately tacked onto much better older ones.
 

clemenx

Banned
Just chiming in to say you're doing God's work and I'm going to read it all. Greatest thread ever for the greatest franchise ever.

Also, I'm a minority here but IMO every Gen has easily surpassed the previous one. Pokemon has never stopped improving overall and that adds to its greatness.

Talking about designs my favorite gen is definitely GEN V. Having new Pokemon only for the regional dex was the greatest thing ever and I hope they can pull that off again. In that sense it bothered me a little bit that Gen VI was such fanservise to Gen I. But it was an amazing game overall.

I have grown to love Mega-Evos as well. I didn't like the concept at first but after the ORAS wave of new megas I'm ok with them. Definitely prefer having completely new monsters tho.
 

Weebos

Banned
Just chiming in to say you're doing God's work and I'm going to read it all. Greatest thread ever for the greatest franchise ever.

Also, I'm a minority here but IMO every Gen has easily surpassed the previous one. Pokemon has never stopped improving overall and that adds to its greatness.

Talking about designs my favorite gen is definitely GEN V. Having new Pokemon only for the regional dex was the greatest thing ever and I hope they can pull that off again. In that sense it bothered me a little bit that Gen VI was such fanservise to Gen I. But it was an amazing game overall.

I have grown to love Mega-Evos as well. I didn't like the concept at first but after the ORAS wave of new megas I'm ok with them. Definitely prefer having completely new monsters tho.

Man, I am with you on all of these points. Pokemon just keeps getting better.
Except Emerald to Diamond/Pearl, Platinum fixed that.

I really want a "new pokemon only" regional dex, but I think Megas might eat some of the design space for new pokemon. I am not sure we will see another gen much larger than 100 new mons.
 

Watch Da Birdie

I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I actually wrote this up, and forgot to save it, and had to re-write it all...it might be a bit messy and rushed since I was a bit annoyed at having to write it all out again. Also, forgive me because I feel like these Pokemon should've gotten huge entries dedicated to them...

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058 - Growlithe
Fire

Growlithe is another Red-version Exclusive. While you might at first think he's the counterpart to Blue's Meowth, given the natural rivalry between cats and dogs, he's actually the counterpart to Vulpix, and as I mentioned in its entry, the two of them share a lot of similarities such as type, Ability, and both being based upon canines mixed with mythological creatures.

Most folks probably don't consider foxes as "dogs", thus you could say Growlithe is our first dog-based Pokemon. There would be many more dog-based Pokemon to come after him, most of them fairly popular, yet Growlithe and his evolution have easily remained the top-dogs. I'm not a dog person myself, and I don't really care for Growlithe as a Pokemon I personally enjoy, but I can recognize a solid and likable design and it's no surprise Growlithe is so popular given how friendly, loyal, and powerful he is, always ready to risk his life in order to protect his trainer. If Pokemon were real, I guarantee most people would want a Growlithe.

I'll save talking about what kind of dog Growlithe is based on for the next entry, but I'll say that he doesn't appear to resemble any actual dog-breed as far as I know. Anyway, due to his loyalty and strong sense of smell, Growlithe in the show was made the "mascot Pokemon" of Officer Jenny, and it's been shown that the Pokemon World even has their own "K-9 Squad" made up of Growlithe. This was later incorporated into the games with the Policemen Trainer Class in Generation II, who use Growlithe and chase down the player if they spot them at night. Presumably, innocent or guilty, if you can defeat the officer in a Pokemon Battle, you're free to go. And since the Policeman in Johto only use like one Growlithe, if you've got a Water-type Pokemon on you, you're basically untouchable by the law. Maybe this is why so many Evil Organization can operate in plain-sight so easily...

Did you remember that out of all the characters in the show, James owns a Growlithe? "Growlie" was James' loyal pet, and implied to be one of his first Pokemon when he was little. Despite being extremely rich, James was quite lonely as a child with Growlie serving as his only friend, a loyal companion who never left his side. Years later, when James returned due to the machinations of his parents and his fiance Jessebelle, Growlie once more sprang into action in order to protect his master. And then years later, again, except only in our world had so many years passed since the anime uses a static timeline, Growlie popped up yet again in another one of James' mansions in Sinnoh, protecting him from Jessebelle yet again. There's a sadness in Growlie's loyalty though, considering what his master does for a living, but perhaps Growlie knows that his master is a villain, yet still stands by him since that's what Growlithe do. By the way, Growlie is another instance of the earlier seasons borrowing pop-culture elements, in this case he's meant to reference Patrasche from "Dog of Flanders", a story that Japan seems to absolutely love, except with thankfully a happier ending.

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059 - Arcanine
Fire

Arcanine is the evolved from of Growlithe via the Fire Stone, and out of all the Pokemon, I'd argue it's easily the most popular and beloved. Seriously. The Pokemon Company may not exactly show that, as it doesn't have a ton of merchandise or appearances, but from my interaction with Pokemon fans, all I see when people bring up Arcanine is adoration. I don't think I've ever seen someone bash Arcanine. Sure, Pikachu, Charizard, Mewtwo, they're all popular, but they've got plenty of haters. Arcanine is one of the few Pokemon I can think of who nobody hates or forgets.

Arcanine is known as the "Legendary" Pokemon, and this alongside his appearances in the show's opening next to the Legendary Birds, and in a slab with them in the first episode, have lead to a popular rumor that at one point Arcanine was intended to be a Legendary Pokemon. But, for whatever reason, he was made into a regular Pokemon, and Growlithe was probably added to make him feel like one. However, Arcanine's Legendary status doesn't seem to refer to being a Legendary Pokemon within the Pokemon World, rather it seems to be given to him because he is based off a legendary creature from our world. Specifically, the PokeDex mentions how he's considered legendary in China, and may have face originated from there. Yes, this is another "real-world reference" that was common in Generation I, the second we've seen mentioning China in-fact, which has become a bit odd as Pokemon has expanded into its own world as opposed to simply alternate-universe Japan like Kanto was. Generally, I think the rule is this---a real-world location exists until it's given a Pokemon equivalent, following that it can be assumed that all previous mentions were referencing the Pokemon version. Thus, Lt. Surge was the Lightning American, but now he's probably the Lightning Unovan. China's yet to be given a Pokemon equivalent, so Arcanine is still from there for all intents and purposes. Personally, I'd love to see Game Freak go with China next, but I have a feeling we're stuck in Europe for at least another Generation.

So, what exactly is Arcanine? Is he a dog? A tiger? A lion? Well, as you'll find out, he's basically all of those! Arcanine is based on the Chinese Guardian Lions, which you've probably seen if you've ever taken advantage of the All-You-Can-Eat Lunch Buffet at your local Chinese Restaurant. Despite being called lions, they don't exactly resemble what we'd call lions, and it's likely those who built said statues had likely never seen an actual lion, but rather created them based on how they were said to look like---powerful, graceful, majestic creatures with beautiful manes. They were going for image, not accuracy after all. It's also been theorized that various breeds of Chinese dogs, such as the Chow Chow (which Growlithe slightly resembles) may have served as the basis for the creature, although this is disputable. Guardian Lions made their way through Korea to reach Japan, where they're called Komainu, "Korean Dogs", and in the West they're similarly called "Foo Dogs". In Japan, the traditional lions often appear alongside the statues identified as dogs, and thus Arcanine seem to represent these two similar creatures by having the build and personality of a dog, but the mane and courage of a lion. It also has the stripes and speed of a tiger, another popular animal depicted as a guardian in Chinese/Japanese mythology. You'll notice Growlithe and Arcanine's earliest sprites were posed in a way that they resembled statues.

One specific "Guardian Lion" that is well-known in Japan is the Okinawan Shisa, a lion-dog hybrid that is placed around the home as a guardian to ward off evil spirits. You can see how Game Freak transformed this idea into a literal guard dog Pokemon. One legend about the Shisa tells of a statue that protected a town from fires, possibly influencing Arcanine's Fire-type? Another mythological creature, the Haetae of Korea, also could be a possible influence, as it's sometimes described as a lion-dog hybrid who controls fire, although at other times it's more of a goat-like creature that deals in judgment. Despite being a Fire-type Pokemon, Arcanine's main element is perhaps "Wind", as its Japanese name is Windie, and is said to be able to run at speeds like the wind. In reality, it's actually not particularly fast, but was given the signature move Extremespeed in Generation II, a souped-up Quick Attack which allowed Arcanine to live up to its reputation. Extremespeed is no longer Arcanine's unique move, but he's in good company---except for some Event Pokemon, the other owners of Extremespeed include dudes like Rayquaza, Lucario, and Arceus. That's right, Arcanine can run as fast as God.

In the show, Arcanine was one of Gary's Pokemon, first appearing in his famous battle against Mewtwo and later appearing as Gary's Pokemon of choice in an "Extreme Pokemon Race"...where he lost to Ash's Bayleaf. I mean, going toe-to-toe with Mewtwo and losing should still be a relatively cool and prideful moment since you didn't stand a chance, but you gotta be a bit of a lame Arcanine if you end up losing a race. I mean, that's what you should be best at...anyway, Arcanine also appeared in the Indigo League as one of Ash's opponents (Pete Pebbleman, whoever that was), and in the Battle Frontier under the command of Dome Ace Tucker. They both lost too, but hey, only one guy's allowed to beat Ash per Tournament.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Arcanine is the best.

Also pretty sure gen v has popular mons like Axew, Stunfisk, and Oshawott. Remember, look at the Pokemon individually, not as lines.
 

jnWake

Member
Arcanine is very cool. I like Ninetails more but can't deny Arcanine's awesomeness. Besides, he's actually pretty good too.
 

Ezalc

Member
Pleased to meet you, I dislike Arcanine. The design itself is alright but I always hated using it in game because IIRC it didn't learn any worthwhile fire moves besides like fire blast or something but that had bad accuracy I think. Anyway I don't like it.
 
Arcanine remains one of the best Pokemon. Great design, and good in battles.
He was one of the first Pokemon I worked on making 'perfect' with gen 6's new breeding mechanics.

Anyway, if we're doing our favourite Pokemon:

Gen 1: Pidgeot, Sandslash, Nidoking, Vulpix, Ninetales, Golduck, Arcanine, Haunter, Seadra, Scyther, Electabuzz, Gyarados, Eevee, Vaporeon, Dragonite
Gen 2: Bayleef, Cyndaquil, Quilava, Typhlosion, Ledian, Espeon, Umbreon, Heracross, Skarmory, Donphan, Raikou, Lugia, Ho-Oh
Gen 3: Breloom, Aggron, Camerupt, Crawdaunt, Dusclops, Absol
Gen 4: Torterra, Luxray, Mismagius, Lucario, Toxicroak, Weavile, Togekiss
Gen 5: Gigalith, Lilligant, Scrafty, Archeops, Galvantula, Ferrothorn, Chandelure
Gen 6: Fennekin, Greninja, Talonflame, Pyroar, Pangoro, Tyrantrum, Phantump, Trevenant, Noivern

I never really noticed how few gen 3 Pokemon I like, I think it's because there's only a few I dislike so that balances it out, whereas gen 4 and 5 I've always considered the low points have a massive divide between what I like and dislike, there's many Pokemon I consider very poor designs in those gens.
Gen 6 on the other hand, god damn, I like practically all of them, I don't know if it was just because of the low amount of them but Gamefreak was on their A game.

My overall favourite though?
This little cutie.

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I went into Y blind and when this guy popped up in the wild I just fell in love, instantly gave him a spot on my team and he never left my side.

Pleased to meet you, I dislike Arcanine. The design itself is alright but I always hated using it in game because IIRC it didn't learn any worthwhile fire moves besides like fire blast or something but that had bad accuracy I think. Anyway I don't like it.

He's great now. After the physical/special split in gen 4 he can make use of his high attack with great STAB moves. Leveling up Growlithe learns Flame Wheel, Fire Fang, and Flare Blitz.
Not to mention Crunch, Extremespeed, Wild Charge, Outrage. They've got a great moveset now.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Pleased to meet you, I dislike Arcanine. The design itself is alright but I always hated using it in game because IIRC it didn't learn any worthwhile fire moves besides like fire blast or something but that had bad accuracy I think. Anyway I don't like it.

It sorta got better in later games. Even got Intimidate and iirc Flash Fire.
 

Razmos

Member
I have never liked Arcanine, never used it, never cared for it and never understood its appeal. So I'm quite surprised to hear that it is so universally liked, as I've never heard anyone else mention it outside of this site.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
dog-looking pokemon have a tendency to gain quite an appeal

hell, among Zygarde formes, 10% has the most fanart
 

clemenx

Banned
I have never liked Arcanine, never used it, never cared for it and never understood its appeal. So I'm quite surprised to hear that it is so universally liked, as I've never heard anyone else mention it outside of this site.

It surprises me as well. I don't see how the most popular Pokemon isn't a tie between Charizard and Pikachu.

Though it could be that aside from you, :p I don't think I've ever seen anyone actively dislike Arcanine while plenty of people roll their eyes and Charizard at Pikachu. I certainly find him extremely cool and he probably has no haters.
 
Discovering Arcanine's popularity online was definitely a big surprise to me. I still just kind of think of him as aesthetically pleasing filler. He was just an afterthought in basically all my real-world interactions about pokemon.
 

NEO0MJ

Member
One of the greatest. The design just clicks with me so much, and he's no slouch in a fight, either.

Though it could be that aside from you, :p I don't think I've ever seen anyone actively dislike Arcanine while plenty of people roll their eyes and Charizard at Pikachu. I certainly find him extremely cool and he probably has no haters.

Well he isn't shoved in our faces all the time so it's no wonder he won't be hated. Plus he's G1 so people won't criticize his design much, either.
 

Macka

Member
Arcanine is perfection, and my favourite Pokemon behind Charizard.

I have never liked Arcanine, never used it, never cared for it and never understood its appeal. So I'm quite surprised to hear that it is so universally liked, as I've never heard anyone else mention it outside of this site.
Not being able to comprehend why Arcanine is appealing seems strange to me. Dogs are mans best friend, dude.

Arcanine also has the most flairs (icons you select to appear next to your username) of any Pokemon on the Pokemon subreddit too, and that definitely seems to feature a more casual leaning section of the fanbase (and much younger too) than here. Arcanine's popularity is legendary.

I'd still say Charizard and Pikachu are more people's favourite Pokemon, though.
 

Azuran

Banned
Arcanine is a poor mans version of Entei, come on guys.

But Arcanine is way more useful than Entei. He can run a lot more sets and can be both an fast offensive Pokemon or a bulky tank. All Entei has over Arcanine is Sacred Fire.

I'll take a Sunny Day, Snarl and Will-O-Wisping Arcanine any day of the week.
 
Arcanine is okay. Love the deisgn, but Ninetales has always been my favorite fire type from that gen both from a design standpoint and in-game.
 

PBalfredo

Member
Arcanine is a poor mans version of Entei, come on guys.

Pffft. Entei is a poor man's Arcanine you mean. As nice as Sacred Fire is, that's all Entei has. Arcanine meanwhile has access to Flare Blitz, Close Combat, Wild Charge and f'ing Extreme Speed. Entei doesn't every have any priority moves. Also, Intimidate > Pressure.

Now that I'm thinking of it, I should breed myself an Arcanine. Does anyone have a Growlithe or Infernape with Close Combat and Flare Blitz for trade in gen VI? Got one.
 

Reset

Member
Pffft. Entei is a poor man's Arcanine you mean. As nice as Sacred Fire is, that's all Entei has. Arcanine meanwhile has access to Flare Blitz, Close Combat, Wild Charge and f'ing Extreme Speed. Entei doesn't every have any priority moves. Also, Intimidate > Pressure.

Now that I'm thinking of it, I should breed myself an Arcanine. Does anyone have a Growlithe or Infernape with Close Combat and Flare Blitz for trade in gen VI? Got one.
Entei has extremespeed and stone edge
 

PBalfredo

Member
Entei has extremespeed and stone edge

Only the movie event Entei has extremespeed, so if you don't already have him you're out of luck. If you did get him, hope you were lucky enough to also get good IVs on him too.

Stone Edge is good, but it doesn't counter specific theats to Entei like how Arcanine has Wild Charge to use against water types and Close Combat to hit rock-types. Stone Edge doesn't put it over Arcanine's movepool and superior ability, IMO.
 

Watch Da Birdie

I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
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060 - Poliwag
Water

It's time for another episode of "Pokemon Myth Busters", today's topic---Satoshi Tajiri's favorite Pokemon. It's been claimed that either Poliwag, or sometimes Poliwhirl, is his favorite Pokemon, but I've never seen a source on this. In fact, it seems to have come from an interview with TIME back during the initial Pokemon hype, in which he simply brought up Poliwag as one Pokemon who was based on childhood memories, but never explicitly implied he liked it more than any other Pokemon. The Poliwag/Poliwhirl confusion stems from the fact that Tajiri used Poliwag's Japanese name, but TIME erroneously gave its name as "Poliwhorl". Furthermore, Poliwhirl was prominently featured on the cover of that issue, likely furthering the confusion. But all in all, I don't believe Poliwag is actually Tajiri's favorite Pokemon, and I'm going to assume people simply saw he mentioned Poliwag in the TIME article and missed the context it was mentioned in.

UPDATE: Loptous answered this for me, it was Poliwag, and the source was Game Center CX. Thanks!

But while Poliwag may not be Tajiri's favorite, it's still the first stage of a pretty popular Water family that's a great representation of how Pokemon evolution works, since it's based on a real-life example of metamorphosis. Poliwag is based on a tadpole, or "polliwog" as they're sometimes known, and naturally has the common elements of a tadpole, mainly their armless bodies and long tail, although it has already grown legs at this point. That swirl on its belly is what Tajiri mentioned in the TIME article, and is actually Poliwag's curled-up intestine that's visible through its stomach. Kind of gross, but that's a real thing---google it! I played with tadpoles as a kid, however, and don't remember them having transparent bellies like that, so I believe that it's a trait only certain types of tadpoles have. Poliwag's swirl is normally oriented with its swirl beginning from the left and moving inward, and this is how it appears in all of its official artwork within the games, although in Gen II and Gen III its swirl was smaller than usual, likely due to graphical limitations. A lot of fan-artists, as well as the anime a couple of times, forget this fact and draw Poliwag with the swirl reversed, which is incorrect. The PokeDex mentions, however, that Poliwag's swirl is actually reversed in some places, and apparently this has to do with the equator. I imagine this is a reference to the Coriolis Effect, where the rotation of certain things will be different depending on if they're above or below the equator. We've never had a Region that took place "below the equator" (taking in account what real-life location it was based on), and if we ever do, I'd hope that Game Freak remembers this fact and makes sure to reverse Poliwag's swirl.

Despite being a fairly popular Kanto Pokemon, Poliwag didn't get much focus during the Kanto League, and really didn't come into play till the Orange Islands where Misty caught one. Poliwag was Misty's most important capture since Psyduck (fuck Togepi), and once it evolved in Johto, quickly became her primary battling Pokemon for much of the series. Considering Gold and Silver was right around the corner when the Orange Islands were airing, most people assume Poliwag was given to Misty due to having a new evolution right around the corner, but it could simply have been a coincidence. However, it worked out quite nicely that one of Misty's Pokemon and one of Brock's Pokemon got new evolutions in Generation II so the show was able to advertise these new forms in a fairly organic way, rather than suddenly giving them old Pokemon to evolve.

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061 - Poliwhirl
Water

Poliwhirl is a very odd Pokemon due to how "popular" he was back during Generation I, but this popularity seemed oddly manufactured. People liked Poliwhirl, but he wasn't exactly anyone's favorite Pokemon, and had very little presence in the show, yet popped up on a ton of merchandise. As I mentioned before, he was on the cover of TIME's Pokemon issue---and not simply on the cover, front-and-center and bigger than Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo. I remember the promotion they had at Kentucky Fried Chicken gave out a Poliwhirl plushie, he was one of the variant boxes for Pokemon Macaroni & Cheese, in Pokemon Special he was Red's first Pokemon, and he was even on the Pokemon Center Tokyo sign! Where the hell did this popularity come from? This strange popularity is probably one of the reasons so many people believed the rumor that Poliwhirl was Satoshi Tajiri's favorite, as the strange focus on him during the early days look odd in retrospect considering how he sort of fizzled out compared to many of the Generation I Pokemon who remain beloved today. Go ask a non-Pokemon fan if they remember Pikachu, Charizard, or Mewtwo, then ask them if they remember Poliwhirl. I bet most of them will have trouble remembering him.

Poliwhirl evolves from Poliwag, and although he loses his tail and grows arms, and thus in real-life would be considered a "frog", he still resembles a tadpole somewhat and is still referred to as one. Furthermore, although his legs have developed, he still prefers the water. In addition to his tail, Poliwhirl also loses his mouth for some reason. The location of his mouth has been disputed...in most media, it's implied to basically be within the swirl as that's where he fires off his Water Gun. However an old piece of concept art showing an x-ray image of Poliwhirl seems to imply his mouth is right above his stomach, we just can't see it. Another theory, and possibly one Game Freak planned but never really got a chance to show off as the show popularized the idea of the "swirl mouth", is that the top of his belly is his mouth, and it opens up. If you look at Poliwhirl for a bit, you can easily imagine how this would work, can't you? I certainly can! Also, Poliwhirl now sports some gloves for whatever reason which gives him an old-school feel. The gloves are non-sensical, and I can't imagine what "biological" part they're supposed to represent, but as far as Pokemon wearing clothes go, they're very quaint and you probably forgot he was wearing gloves till I brought it up, so it isn't an intrusive design decision.

While Poliwag's swirl begins on the left and moves into the center, Poliwhirl's swirl is the opposite of that, and like Poliwag, many artists, some working for the Pokemon Company included such as the Pokemon Special artist, tend to forget this and draw it the other way. The fact that Poliwhirl's intestine switches like that gives us an interesting idea that Pokemon evolution is quite a drastic change to the point that internal organs rearrange themselves, which seems like it'd be extremely painful for the Pokemon. Poliwhirl's swirl is said to cause a hypnosis effect if you stare at it long enough, the classic "hypno swirl" seen in many classic cartoons and mail-in catalogs, but it's unknown if Poliwhirl does this on purpose as the result of actual psychic powers, or if it's an unintentional quality of his swirl he's unaware of.

As I mentioned before, Poliwhirl was a very late Kanto Pokemon to really make it big in the show, which is surprising considering how much early merchandise he was on. However when he came to the show as part of the main cast, evolving from Misty's Poliwag, he did make a considerable splash and his appearances were rather numerous considering he was owned by a side-character, was an older Pokemon (mostly...), and belonged to post-Togepi Misty who had been pushed into the background a bit due to her character losing some of her initial spunk and charm. Poliwhirl was the only thread keeping Misty alive, perhaps?

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062 - Poliwrath
Water/Fighting

Poliwrath is the final evolution of Poliwhirl, and evolves through the use of the Water Stone, the last of the classic Elemental Evolution Stone Quartet. I actually like Poliwrath personally, but it's easy to see how he might've been a bit of a disappointment to some folks. You'd expect Poliwhirl to naturally end up evolving into a frog, yet instead he simply gets a bit bulkier and meaner. Now, small incremental evolutions in Generation I is nothing new, there are plenty of Pokemon who don't change much, but most of them are based off animals that don't change much in real life and thus there wasn't too many options for Game Freak to go with except "going bigger". With Poliwhirl, on the other hand, creating a line that begins with a tadpole and becomes more frog-like gives a certain impression of what the evolutionary line will entail, and Poliwrath comes in and blows that out of the water. Poliwrath is really odd to me---I feel the majority of Generation I Pokemon families have a great sense of "balance" between their evolutions, where if you line them up side-by-side, there's a nice flow in their designs. I don't feel that way with Poliwrath, as he's too similar to Poliwhirl that I feel it greatly offsets that balance, and the evolution between Poliwag and Poliwhirl feels more dynamic in comparison when it should usually be the final evolution where the biggest change occurs in my opinion. That being said, I think most people have gotten over it as Poliwrath is a unique Type (unmatched till Gen V), we eventually got a frog-based evolution for Poliwhirl, and honestly, nowadays we have so many frog Pokemon that one staying as a tadpole feels oddly refreshing.

Poliwrath's design doesn't change much as I mentioned---its main gain in this evolution is muscle mass, particularly in its arms while its legs are comparatively skinny looking, although they're still implied to be rather muscular as well. In Poliwhirl's PokeDex, it mentions that although Poliwhirl has legs, it still prefers to swim, and I imagine this constant swimming strengthened his arm muscles considerably. Poliwrath is a Fighting-type Pokemon now, which always felt sort of off. I mean, he looks the part certainly with the muscles, but there are plenty of pretty powerful looking Pokemon who aren't Fighting-type, and Poliwhirl of all Pokemon turning into a Fighting-type always felt like a weird addition. Part of me wonders if originally Poliwag and Poliwhirl were just going to be a two-stage line, and Poliwrath was sort of thrown in there near the end of development---there's an old sprite on one of GameFreak's defunct websites that shows a Poliwhirl-like Pokemon wearing a crown, which seems to suggest making him evolve into a muscle man wasn't originally in the cards. Most Fighting-type Pokemon tend to specialize in a certain martial art as I've said before, and Poliwrath kind of does as it's skilled at competitive swimming, and I guess athletics are sort of like martial arts, right? But come to think of it, isn't Poliwrath basically copying Golduck's "top-class" swimmer gimmick here? It seems like while Golduck is built for speed, Poliwrath is built for endurance, and it'd be interesting to see who'd win in a race between the two.

Poliwrath actually has a pretty high-honor in the show, as he was one of the first Pokemon to deal Ash's Charizard a defeat, which ultimately led to Charizard mellowing out and becoming one of Ash's most loyal and powerful Pokemon. Thanks for your sacrifice, Poliwrath! Misty's Poliwhirl didn't evolve into Poliwrath, it went the other way, so unfortunately he never got to be part of the main cast, and hey, who needs them? He beat Charizard.

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186 - Politoed
Water

Politoed is another Generation II Branch-Evolution who evolves from Poliwhirl via a new Hold Item known as the "King's Rock". However, for some reason, Game Freak felt they needed to throw in an extra step for most Hold Item evolutions, so you also have to trade Poliwhirl as well. I don't really get the point of making you do both steps, when they could just have the Pokemon hold the item and win a battle. I guess the idea is it'd be annoying if you were using the item, and after each fight you got bugged to evolve the Pokemon, but honestly, the only reason you'll probably give these Pokemon their Hold Items is if you plan to evolve them. Politoed, like Bellossom, is another Branch Evolution given to a family who was already complete in Generation I. My opinion of Branch Evolutions are mixed---when it comes to Cross-Gen Branch Evolutions, I don't really care for them, as they often feel like a needless addition to a family that was already pretty tight and I'd rather Pokemon who haven't evolved yet get those new Evolutions instead. Why Gloom and Poliwhirl instead of Farfetch'd and Pinsir? On the other hand, I think when they're introduced in the same Generation alongside one another, Branch Evolutions are cool, and it's a shame we haven't got more of those types of Branch Evolutions. Generation V was huge, yet every Pokemon was part of a linear-evolution line...that really bugged me.

Unlike Bellossom, who I felt was the odd-one out in its family and was a bit "pointless", I actually feel like Politoed was a more logical addition. As I said before, Poliwhirl not evolving into a frog always felt like an obvious missed opportunity, and Politoed fixes that. If anything, Poliwrath is the one who feels like he wasn't ultimately needed, not Politoed. That Poliwhirl with the crown I mentioned back makes me wonder how Politoed was conceived---was it planned early on, but held off till Gen II so they'd have a new evolution to introduce? Or did Game Freak realize how disappointing Poliwrath was, and decided to give Poliwhirl an actual frog evolution? Either way, it feels like Bellossom was designed after its other family members were created, but I could believe Politoed was developed alongside Poliwag and Poliwhirl and its dramatic change in appearance would fit well in representing the metamorphosis between tadpole and frog. Still, though, I like Poliwrath quite a bit while I rarely think about Politoed and he's just another Water-type to me.

There's actually a frog known for its transparent stomach showing off its organs known as the Glass Frog, which looks a lot like Politoed, but I don't feel like Game Freak were aware of that creature necessarily when creating the Pokemon, especially as Politoed's swirl seems to just be decoration in this stage, and not actually its intestine visible though its stomach like in its past evolutionary stages. It seems Politoed is simply supposed to be a regular, colorful pond frog like his pre-evolutions are simply tadpoles. Since he evolves with the King's Rock, he's the "king" of the Tadpole Pokemon, and although he lacks a crown as he perhaps should have evolving with the King's Rock, the curl on his head is his symbol of status and like we all know, the longer and curlier it is, the more desirable he is. The PokeDex mentions Poliwag and Poliwhirl follow Politoed, but the relationship between Politoed and Poliwrath are unclear. Are Poliwrath those Poliwhirl who shirk their noblesse-oblige to become competitive swimmers? Do the rest of the Poli Pokemon look down on the life choices of Poliwrath? Are there regular conflicts between Poliwrath and Politoed over leadership? Sometimes I wish Game Freak created an official Pokemon documentary or something to explain some of these things.

As you'd expect from Branch Evolutions, Politoed and Poliwrath have some statistical differences, with Politoed specializing in the Special Stats, whereas Poliwrath specializes in the Physical Stats. Furthermore, Poliwrath learns mainly Fighting-type moves, while Politoed given its love of singing learns moves that belong to the Sound pseudo-type. They were once equal in Base Stat Total, but Generation VI messed that up by giving Poliwrath 10 extra points in Attack while Politoed got no such stat boost. Despite this, currently Politoed easily outranks Poliwrath thanks to playing an important role on Rain Dance Teams with its Drizzle Ability, while Poliwrath is seen as an average Pokemon with a neat Type Combination. Well, Politoed is the king, so him being the strongest makes sense.

Misty's Poliwhirl evolved into Politoed in the show, and after that its role sort of decreased greatly as it took a backseat role, much like Misty did herself towards the end of Johto when it was obvious she was about to be dumped and replaced by a new girl. Politoed loved to clap and dance around, even getting a filler episode involving it joining a cheer squad (and not the cool Japanese kind, the boring American kind) and spent the Johto League cheering on Ash from the bleachers, its final hurrah before it ended up stuck with a character who was no longer relevant. My favorite Politoed moment in the series though didn't even involve an actual Politoed, but another frog Pokemon dressing up as it as part of a cosplay contest.
 

PBalfredo

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Politoed is a great example of how abilities can make or break a pokemon. What would have otherwise been a pedestrian pokemon outclassed by the large pool of more powerful water-types is instead made invaluable thanks to its ability. And even though Drizzle is doing the heavy lifting in making this pokemon viable, its stats aren't too shabby either. 90 HP and 100 Special Defense makes him stubbornly hard to dislodge, and 90 Special Attack is no joke when it's practically guaranteed to get a boost from the rain.
 
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