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Irobot82 · Nov 9, 2015

Tesseract said:
well they need to get a handle on this, or the net losses are gonna continue

Seems like they're working on it. WCCFTech aside, the data came from TechPowerUp. It seems like they're starting to get a handle on things. Who knows. Maybe Radeon Software Crimson will come with a decent performance bump like whatever the big one last year was called.

ZOONAMI · Nov 9, 2015

Crisium said:
Yes.

Yes.

Lol, answered my own question but thank you!

Riky · Nov 9, 2015

Walker_Boh said:
I would also like to know. I'm running a 4GB 270x

Did say earlier but,

R9 270 2GB
Fx 8320E
8GB DDR3
Windows 10
15.11 beta driver

35-60fps on Ultra at 1080p, normally in the mid forties.

Shredderi · Nov 9, 2015

Anyone else having problems opening Nvidia's tweaking guide? Just says unauthorized access.

Wag · Nov 9, 2015

jim2point0 said:
Anyone trying this? How well does framerate scale?

For DX10 as well? There are two separate options for SLI AFR in Nvidia Inspector. I set them both to AFR2. I guess I'll find out once I get the game.

dr_rus · Nov 9, 2015

Durante said:
PCGH did benchmarks without the Gameworks effects (which are obviously not in the console versions) but everything else still on the highest setting:

A 980 doing 92 min FPS is pretty nice I'd say.

Nice. Gameworks code has more or less the same impact on both 980 and 390X. This basically shows that the only reason why AMD cards aren't doing well in FO4 is their own shitty DX11 driver.

Froz3n said:
It's because of gameworks, and an inability for AMD to have optimised for it yet... Specifically the godrays and volumetric lighting

No it's not.

Matty8787 · Nov 9, 2015

Is This Video Games said:
I have a gtx 970

Will my crusty old i5 2500k be able to handle it?

The i5 is a beast, you will have no problems.

R8TEDM3 · Nov 9, 2015

Crisium said:
It looks like even Nvidia shows that Godrays need only be on Low. Good news.

http://images.nvidia.com/geforce-co...-interactive-comparison-004-ultra-vs-low.html

PC Games Hardware in the OP showed a huge difference between "Off" and "High". I'll definitely run it on Low to get even better performance.

Don't know why and It shouldn't be happening, since it's the setting for "God Ray quality"! But when I move that slider to the right, the tree looks to be more blurry! Anyone else seeing this?

Drilbit777 · Nov 9, 2015

Intel I7 4720 HQ 4-Core 2.6ghz

GeForce Gtx 960M 2GB

16GB Ram

Hopefully it can run stable and not lag.

Älg · Nov 9, 2015

Soo, uhh, what's up with the Nvidia tweaking guide?

Fjordson · Nov 9, 2015

tycoonheart said:
I see absolutely no gosh darn difference between low and ultra. What am I missing fellas?

Absolutely nothing it seems. Weird.

Darkstorne · Nov 9, 2015

These crashes are beyond ridiculous. Anyone out here able to interpret the crash log?

Faulting application name: Fallout4.exe, version: 1.1.29.0, time stamp: 0x5627e510
Faulting module name: XAudio2_7.dll_unloaded, version: 9.29.1962.0, time stamp: 0x4c0643cc

therealminime · Nov 9, 2015

Ok uGrids 11 is officially too much. Had to drop down to 9.

Mad Season · Nov 9, 2015

so with a GTX 980, 8GB RAM and 1080P, should I use FXAA or TXAA? I don't knwo which is better

Crisium · Nov 9, 2015

dr_rus said:
Nice. Gameworks code has more or less the same impact on both 980 and 390X. This basically shows that the only reason why AMD cards aren't doing well in FO4 is their own shitty DX11 driver.

Check your math again. What an exaggeration. Tesselated God Rays impact AMD performance more, as to be expected. And this is a Gameworks title. I'm sure you believe that has no impact on the competition, but this is not uncommon behavior for those that have paid attention.

dr_rus · Nov 9, 2015

R8TEDM3 said:
Don't know why and It shouldn't be happening, since it's the setting for "God Ray quality"! But when I move that slider to the right, the tree looks to be more blurry! Anyone else seeing this?

That's the main difference between low and ultra really. Low setting means that you'll get more aliasing/shimmering and blurriness on objects behind the light rays.

Crisium said:
Check your math again. What an exaggeration. Tesselated God Rays impact AMD performance more, as to be expected. And this is a Gameworks title. I'm sure you believe that has no impact on the competition, but this is not uncommon behavior for those that have paid attention.

How about instead of posting shit as usual you share your math with us all so we can see how 13% vs 16% of performance loss described as "more or less the same impact" qualifies as "exaggeration"?

dr_rus · Nov 9, 2015

KCroxtonJr · Nov 9, 2015

Anybody getting crashes NOT using nvidia new drivers from today?

I got the drivers and have constant crashes, friend didn't get drivers and no crashes for him. Both on Win 10. I tried the XAudio thing and that didn't help.

About to fresh install older drivers.

Fuckkkkk I wasn't expecting crashes ugh...

Zerozerozero · Nov 9, 2015

Getting 110 to 140fps everything on Ultra 1080p with a 5930k, 64gb RAM and TitanX.

Disabled vsync in the .ini files but it seems like the FOV changes arent working. Anyone know how to fix this?

Darkstorne · Nov 9, 2015

KCroxtonJr said:
Anybody getting crashes NOT using nvidia new drivers from today?

I got the drivers and have constant crashes, friend didn't get drivers and no crashes for him. Both on Win 10. I tried the XAudio thing and that didn't help.

About to fresh install older drivers.

Fuckkkkk I wasn't expecting crashes ugh...

I was crashing with the older drivers so assumed they were the issue. New drivers still crashed. It's definitely related to the XAudio file though, just not sure why. Audio drivers are up to date.

artsi · Nov 9, 2015

Crashes are still constant for me.

Windows Event Viewer shows that XAudio2_7.dll would be the cause.

R8TEDM3 · Nov 9, 2015

OniLolz said:
Getting 110 to 140fps everything on Ultra 1080p with a 5930k, 64gb RAM and TitanX.

Disabled vsync in the .ini files but it seems like the FOV changes arent working. Anyone know how to fix this?

Could you try and see what kind of FPS you're getting @4k res or higher please?

Somebody mentioned earlier that FOV changes aren't working, and think I remembered reading the same thing in those tweak guides as well!

Darkstorne · Nov 9, 2015

artsi said:
Crashes are still constant for me.

Windows Event Viewer shows that XAudio2_7.dll would be the cause.

The suggested "fix" was to replace the 64 bit version of that file with the 32 bit version, but that didn't solve the issue either for me.

Crisium · Nov 9, 2015

dr_rus said:
How about instead of posting shit as usual you share your math with us all so we can see how 13% vs 16% of performance loss described as "more or less the same impact" qualifies as "exaggeration"?

Nvidia user turns off Gameworks, gains 28.2% average performance. AMD users turns off Gameworks, gains 36.9% average performance.

trickyhero · Nov 9, 2015

So I have:
i5 4690k
GTX 960
4GB Ram

I need to get more ram I guess

artsi · Nov 9, 2015

Darkstorne said:
The suggested "fix" was to replace the 64 bit version of that file with the 32 bit version, but that didn't solve the issue either for me.

Yeah, didn't help. Hopefully Bethesda acknowledges the problem soon. It seems very widespread.

Red Blaster · Nov 9, 2015

getting pretty choppy performance maxed @ 1080p in the heavily wooded areas, drops to ~35

gtx 780, i7-2600k, 8 ram

-griffy- · Nov 9, 2015

Mad Season said:
so with a GTX 980, 8GB RAM and 1080P, should I use FXAA or TXAA? I don't knwo which is better

TXAA looks slightly sharper than FXAA.

Gareth Bale · Nov 9, 2015

How do you access the console?

Tilde not doing it

SliChillax · Nov 9, 2015

Damn ugrids is an fps killer but does it make the game look great. I guess I'll use it after 2-3 years when a single gpu can properly handle 13ugrids.

Copper · Nov 9, 2015

artsi said:
Yeah, didn't help. Hopefully Bethesda acknowledges the problem soon. It seems very widespread.

yeah this making the game almost unplayable for me.

Xyber · Nov 9, 2015

So vsync enabled feels like shit because of the really noticeable mouse delay.

Vsync disabled feels much better, but movement speed seems tied to the framerate somehow..? I get close to walls and hit 2-300fps and I start running at like 2 times the speed.

https://my.mixtape.moe/amewlj.webm

Älg · Nov 9, 2015

Crisium said:
Nvidia user turns off Gameworks, gains 28.2% average performance. AMD users turns off Gameworks, gains 36.9% average performance.

Surprisingly, an effect with a more or less linear performance impact has a larger percentual impact on a slower card. Truly stunning.

I am now going to go activate it on my Intel HD 4000 and complain about the 500% performance loss

Atilac · Nov 9, 2015

Any word or idea how this will run on a:
AMD Phenom II X4
AMD 7870
16 gigs of ram.
Still deciding between the pc and ps4 versions.

Lord Phol · Nov 9, 2015

Well the game detected my settings to ultra with everything maxed which is cool, but atm I can't seem to get past the main menu screen. Tried both windowed and full-screen. No mouse pointer and the keyboard does nothing. Can't click anywhere.

Edit: Plugged in a dual shock 4 which seems to work great. Guess it might be the game detecting some controller driver and thinking it's activated, thus disabling mouse/keyboard even when the controller isn't actually plugged in.
Edit 2: Disabling controller under settings fixed it.

Rebel Leader · Nov 9, 2015

SliChillax said:
Damn ugrids is an fps killer but does it make the game look great. I guess I'll use it after 2-3 years when a single gpu can properly handle 13ugrids.

what's uGrids?

squared · Nov 9, 2015

I fixed the horrible mouse acceleration/lag/smoothing or whatever through ini-editing, but now I'm getting intermittent stutter, like one frame, and it's constant, if I'm running in a straight line it's happening in the exact same interval.. Anyone know of a fix?

i7 4790k @ 4.5 Ghz
16Gb RAM
970 OC SLI
Installed on SSD

Everything at Ultra except God rays on medium. Constant 60FPS, though Steam overlay shows 59 constant, which may not be accurate I guess.

LabouredSubterfuge · Nov 9, 2015

Xyber said:
So vsync enabled feels like shit because of the really noticeable mouse delay.

Vsync disabled feels much better, but movement speed seems tied to the framerate somehow..? I get close to walls and hit 2-300fps and I start running at like 2 times the speed.

https://my.mixtape.moe/amewlj.webm

:lol

Darkstorne · Nov 9, 2015

artsi said:
Yeah, didn't help. Hopefully Bethesda acknowledges the problem soon. It seems very widespread.

Copper said:
yeah this making the game almost unplayable for me.

I'm looking into the XAudio2_7.dll issue, and it seems this is becoming a well documented Windows 10 issue for lots of games. There's a Microsoft thread here with a (sort of) solution that involves removing the .dll file completely so the games can't hang any more. In some games (like AC: Unity) it solves the crashing perfectly. In other games it solves the crashing but also completely removes all audio.

Going to test it now.

EDIT: The startup logo had audio, but that was it. Everything else is muted >.<

Dictator93 · Nov 9, 2015

Xyber said:
So vsync enabled feels like shit because of the really noticeable mouse delay.

Vsync disabled feels much better, but movement speed seems tied to the framerate somehow..? I get close to walls and hit 2-300fps and I start running at like 2 times the speed.

https://my.mixtape.moe/amewlj.webm

LabouredSubterfuge said:
:lol

Well, that is just amazing.

Still, after all these years. 60+fps messes up the physics.

Mindman · Nov 9, 2015

What texture setting should I use with a 2 GB card?

Crisium · Nov 9, 2015

Älg;184810193 said:
Surprisingly, an effect with a more or less linear performance impact has a larger percentual impact on a slower card. Truly stunning.

It's because of tessellation.

Look what happens when with Gameworks Off the cards are truly "more or less the same" even within my conservative definition of the term:

Neither card gives playable performance of course, but it's still a heavier penalty on one end.

wwm0nkey · Nov 9, 2015

Any pics comparing uGrids?

Atilac · Nov 9, 2015

Mindman said:
What texture setting should I use with a 2 GB card?

Digital foundry went with ultra at 1080p

aravuus · Nov 9, 2015

Well then, I'm playing the fucking game on low. It seems to be the only way to get 60+ fps 100% of the time when I'm outside. It's almost like someone's switched my GTX970 to a GTX760 without me knowing.

This is just mind-boggling.

At least on the plus side I get 150+ fps inside, which means

Xyber said:
So vsync enabled feels like shit because of the really noticeable mouse delay.

Vsync disabled feels much better, but movement speed seems tied to the framerate somehow..? I get close to walls and hit 2-300fps and I start running at like 2 times the speed.

https://my.mixtape.moe/amewlj.webm

Double speed!

Danielsan · Nov 9, 2015

I haven't completely kept up with Fallout 4. How are people playing the PC version ahead of release?

Corpekata · Nov 9, 2015

What setting would I tweak in the ini to get rid of pop in for say, the big billboard in the first town (the one with the mascot advertising the vaults)? It's the only thing that's stood out to me so far, pops in when I'm way too close and I have everything maxed out besides Godrays.

Riky · Nov 9, 2015

Danielsan said:
I haven't completely kept up with Fallout 4. How are people playing the PC version ahead of release?

VPN on Steam

Animator · Nov 9, 2015

i7 6700
32gb ram
gtx 980ti

I think I will be fine.

Mindman · Nov 9, 2015

Atilac said:
Digital foundry went with ultra at 1080p

Thanks!

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