Kralamoonard
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PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Unless Sony implements standards to prevent it, it's likely this will happen (unless PS4K flops). PS4 versions will basically be treated like "last gen" versions that are unoptimized or handled by B teams with little funding.
Joelstinton14
Member
In all seriousness this is .. i can't justify this.
When i play games like Bloodborne and Metal Gear and just see how good they look and play i don't need anymore power for the sake of it.
I know that the OG PS4 will be a part of the ecosystem but we have a system on the market which feels as though it has barely got started. Games are taking a longer and costing more to develop. Surely this will just exacerbate the issue?
I can see the appeal of doing this , and understand why, but when you have games specifically targeting the new system, with two system (X1 too) with a flaky library at best.. yeah, no thanks.
When i play games like Bloodborne and Metal Gear and just see how good they look and play i don't need anymore power for the sake of it.
I know that the OG PS4 will be a part of the ecosystem but we have a system on the market which feels as though it has barely got started. Games are taking a longer and costing more to develop. Surely this will just exacerbate the issue?
I can see the appeal of doing this , and understand why, but when you have games specifically targeting the new system, with two system (X1 too) with a flaky library at best.. yeah, no thanks.
OsirisBlack
Banned
Yes I do care about my job and I generally do the firing =) . To clear up a few things though he did not make it sound like all games would be native 4k just that they would be scaled to 4k and we do have a tentative placeholder date for late Q1 next year.
Tried to keep my personal thoughts out of this thread but I really believe this move is all about the PSVR trying to look a bit better when compared to its direct competition.
They aren't.
Portugeezer
Member
NX save us.
mangochutney
Member
That $500 console would also last 6 years.
If you apply the 'keeping up with the Joneses' mentality to consoles, always needing the latest and greatest, then you'd be spending shed loads more cash keeping up with the latest on all your PC components.
why? another PS4 that makes PS4 games more pretty isn't going to mess up NX chances. If anything is going to do that it will be Nintendo.
thehillissilent
Member
Where are we at?
I'm at Testing
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Sooo cancel my psvr pre order is what im getting from all this
DerZuhälter
Member
I'm calling bullshit on this news. Makes no sense on the business side, the available hardware till the end of the year (no HBM2, no 14nm) and the software side. It's not happening.
I know its speculation but honestly this whole thing makes absolutely no sense UNLESS it ties in with PS VR somehow. I really can't see how this won't improve PS VR or tie into it in some way shape or form.
Kralamoonard
Member
Yeah. Even as someone who's onboard with the PS4K, this is a total false equivalence
of course they love new hardware.
but developers are in this business to make money--and most of that money will be made with software sales on the original ps4.
MikeE21286
Member
Who is "he"?
Ohhhh
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Despite the impressive specification and efficiency improvements, the GTX 970 is fighting an uphill battle. Its total throughput of 3.49 TFLOPS
http://www.trustedreviews.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-review
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
DerZuhälter;199662534 said:
We have plenty of rumors going around and OP is a Bish verified insider. So I'd consider this all but confirmed.
backflip10019
Member
They won't abandon them, but they will piss them off.
Certainly possible. It will vary per studio and regular PS4 games will presumably get progressively worse as time goes on the same way cross-generation games got worse as we got further into this generation.
Making games that actually befit the market this generation is very hard, and Sony had a lot of smaller teams that weren't well oiled machines ready to tackle this the way 500-1000 person teams at Ubisoft or EA or Activision were. Each studio has to work on upgrading their own engines and toolsets as well since they're not a shared stack, and they weren't making PC games where they could do a lot of the work early to boot.
Obliterator
Member
Also btw this will be an easy transition for devs, it won't even be much extra work. Look at all the cross gen games we had like Far Cry 4, Titanfall, Destiny, Watch Dogs, Sports Games, Shadow of Mordor, etc. There was a MUCH bigger power gap there and teams still got it done. With the hardware being only a 2x power difference it won't be all that much work getting software running on both.
StereoVsn
Member
I was waiting for this, excellent. Only took 40 pages to do it though.
For PS4K, everyone is worried for naught. You will have PS4 population around 50 million by the time this releases. Sony and Devs will not want to mess with this. It will be just as with the current PS4/PC situation.
You get your Fallout 4/Witcher 3 at 60+ FPS and high res on PC and 1080p/30fps (at best) on PS4. You will still get the same performance on PS4 when PS4K comes out. Devs do this today with PC/PS4/Xbox ports and will do same when new SKU is out.
PSVR is a bit different animal as PS4 is really underpowered for it so there YMMV but still everyone will want to sell to the large install base if they can.
Yeah, but as a ps4.0 owner who has PSVR preordered, this has me hugely concerned.
Tainted
Member
It's moving as fast as a Sony E3 conference thread
I suspect the PS4K maybe this year.
Kingpin Rogers
Member
Anyone confirmed this is true? If not should the title not have (rumour) in it?
KojiKnight
Member
You realize this is backing up my point more, not less right?
In a world where developers aren't properly optimizing for the strongest console currently out, what makes you think they'll do so for a lesser variant of that?
Th3BranMan92
Member
I'm inclined to agree, but let's keep in mind that Sony is trying to also push their PSVR this year. Why would anyone choose to buy the PSVR if they know that in order to get the best experience possible, they need to upgrade to the PS4K?
I have a headset on pre-order, but I pre-ordered with the assumption that this would give me a great VR experience on the PS4. I'd be inclined to cancel that pre-order, if this accessory was originally designed with for a PS4K, but isn't being publicly marketed that way in order to increase sales.
I'm not going to spend $500 on an VR Headset, or any peripheral if I cannot use it to it's full potential.
I was against this and disappointed at first but with a little more thought I'm like fuck it I'm down.
It's what happens with phones and tablets. People arent alien to buying new tech and upgrading every so often. A more iterative approach may work better. Tech isnt advancing as much as it used to, this may temper people's expectations.
As long as they dont entirely fuck up and neglect the original PS4 then it wont be so bad.
It's what happens with phones and tablets. People arent alien to buying new tech and upgrading every so often. A more iterative approach may work better. Tech isnt advancing as much as it used to, this may temper people's expectations.
As long as they dont entirely fuck up and neglect the original PS4 then it wont be so bad.
Is Q1 fiscal or calendar?
Almost sounds like Sony adopting a similar cycle to Nintendo with the NX if it ends up launching in 2017.
I think a 2017 release will be much more palatable to people than a 2016 release.
RustyNails
Member
How much do kidneys go for these days?
BossDarkseid
Member
I kinda feel like I'd bet a tag that when it's revealed...the PS4K IS the hardware revision over a slim. Seems kinda pointless that it'd offer no upgrade in performance for older games considering...getting a better gpu etc pretty much works that way on PC but I guess it's because it's literally coded and designed for one spe....which feels weird that they'd want to do something that'd skewer the development process like that and probably only increase dev costs further.
He also predicted there would be no new console hardware after the PS3/360/Wii.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
PS/4K
PS/8K
PS/Whatever comes next.
Once it's just 'Playstation' then the messaging is easy.
Who's "he"?
You were in a meeting and you said that "they" told you about the possible PS4K specs.
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Tainted
Member
They will try and launch this thing as close as they can to the PSVR for sure
joecanada
Member
current hardware is still ps4 which will almost certainly drop in price due to healthy used market. you can't afford the plus ed. you don't buy it, they could release them yearly like an iphone doesn't mean everyone has to blow all their food money on it.
games will always be targeted to the biggest populations. ps4 until further notice.