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No Man's Sky: Free updates coming, potential paid DLC in future depending on budget
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MisterR
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Reading the OP it notes that after they pushed him on it he stated that it's possible that something could be paid at some point. I'd imagine if it was a huge, expansion like update. I think he's just covering his bases.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Its what's there at the point of sale, either on the box cover if its physical or the item description if its digital. That's where I draw the line.
I'm also under no illusions that absolute satisfaction is guaranteed with a piece of entertainment media; it might exceed or fall short of my expectations and I'm cool with that when I put my money down. Whether its the price of a game or a movie ticket is immaterial, I'm "paying for the show".
As an adult I understand that my personal tastes, hopes, and expectations are out of the entertainer's control - and thus my responsibility alone.
Heckler456
Banned
Partly, it's because I'm sure a significant percentage of people who act "outraged" couldn't actually give a crap about this, and are instead jumping on the hate-bandwagon because they're bored/like something to be outraged at. Wouldn't be the first time this has happened.
Mostly though, it's because
1. those "false claims" aren't as false as people are pretending them to be.
2. the vast majority of people complaining absolutely refuse to give the benefit of the doubt in regards to anything, which helps to prove that most people are just in this to be outraged at something.
3. most of the complaints can be solved by not being an irresponsible consumer and just waiting a day to buy the actual game.
Another list for you:
1. He has explicitly said that there won't be any MP at launch as far back as 2014.
2. He explicitly said that this isn't a multiplayer game on his twitter account a few days before release.
3. The game is marketed and listed on all online stores as a single player game.
Essentially, what you and the rest are complaining about is a misconstrued statement on your part.
MisterR
Member
This is basically it. I haven't bought the game and I have no emotional investment in it, but I find the hysterics, hyperbole and constant outrage grating as hell.
You're confusing taste and satisfaction with concrete game features. No one here is talking about how they didn't enjoy the game as much as they did. They're talking about how several things were promised by the developer that are simply not part of the game. Enjoyment is subjective, but features are factual.
As for the box thing, that's not how PR works. PR works by creating a wealth of knowledge about a product that can't be contained on the bus. It is additive and thus every new information will be attached to the product. When you buy an iPhone, there's literally nothing on the box. But through PR you know that it will have a fingerprint sensor. The nature of PR is that once something is said through official channels, unless refuted, it will be assumed to be true of the product. The onus was on Sean to not say things he couldn't deliver or issue a correction when he realized he couldn't deliver them, or even issue an apology when he didn't deliver them and launched the product and faced disappointed consumers. He has done none of these.
Edit: and no, big PR trumps small PR. If you do several highly publicized interviews and go on national TV, something vague you tweet late at night right before the game's release doesn't really count as a meaningful redaction.
I dunno why but this statement just kinda irks me.
Don't get me wrong I'm currently enjoying NMS and think Sean and his team have done an amazing job to get the game out, but I for one bought the game on the back of knowing I wouldn't have to sink anymore money into it. That kinda justified the £50 price tag for me.
This backtracking after only a week is a little irritating to say the least.
Don't get me wrong I'd be fine with paid DLC and have nothing in particular against it. It's just the nature of how the press/PR seems to be being handled.
Sean can't really catch a break. It seems every word is analysed and dissected to find some fault and I'm probably as guilty as most for doing so.
Don't get me wrong I'm currently enjoying NMS and think Sean and his team have done an amazing job to get the game out, but I for one bought the game on the back of knowing I wouldn't have to sink anymore money into it. That kinda justified the £50 price tag for me.
This backtracking after only a week is a little irritating to say the least.
Don't get me wrong I'd be fine with paid DLC and have nothing in particular against it. It's just the nature of how the press/PR seems to be being handled.
Sean can't really catch a break. It seems every word is analysed and dissected to find some fault and I'm probably as guilty as most for doing so.
In Service
Member
Which Court?
The US generally has the best jurisdiction for class actions but other jurisdictions have legislation that better protects the consume. Then there are the EU regulations too.
If someone is bothered, they need to go away and read the text of the license to use the game and see what that says. I wonder if there is the usual Entire Agreement clause which says anything we said before is all lies and you can't rely upon it.
If so, that's the contract and you need to find a way out that using (usually) consumer protection legislation.
Like how he communicates with fans and journalists who have been asking him since the release date about whether the game currently has multiplayer?
Heckler456
Banned
Are you just going to ignore my comment?
Here he is on twitter, before the release of the game, given a very clear answer.
The game isn't advertised as such. It's listed on all online stores as a single player game. What more do you need, exactly?
MisterR
Member
I think he's handling it right for the most part. He seems to be ignoring the trolls and trying to communicate on the real issues.
The problem is it's probably in the companies T&C's that they can change anything about the product they like at any time and do not need to inform the consumer
So in Hello Games case, they can simply say they changed it the day before release and no consumer has a leg to stand on legally
I'm firmly in the camp of 'Where are these multiplayer features?', like most other people. But I also understand games change during development. Maybe the game was delayed by a couple of months to get the multiplayer working and they just couldn't do it in the end. I would understand this, what I don't understand is why they are purposely dancing around giving anybody a clear answer.
Unfortunately from a legal standpoint though, nobody who bought the game has a case
Panel shows like Colbert are always confusing to me - because both sides get something out of it. Especially when there are A-list movie stars and stuff on there. I highly doubt those movie stars are paying for the slot, considering how many viewers they might pull to the station. It seems like a win:win for the show and the person being sponsored. Unless someone on this board knows something about how they work there's no answer to this.
The contention with Sean is that he's not just a businessman. Nothing like execs like Shu or Mark Cerny or Reggie or whathave you, who are figureheads for large organisations or branches of organisations. Sean's company is tiny, almost entirely artists, and he was first-and-foremost (and very recently in his career), only a developer and an evidently impassioned gamer. Not that this excuses him, obviously, but it means that as well as promoting his game on various channels, he is also the actual creator showing off his work that he is very passionate about - again unlike Reggie, etc.
He's not trained in PR. He's evidently not trained in being the figurehead for a business. And both of those roles seem to have been thrust upon him with no qualifications. You say it's the role he's "supposed" to have, but it's not really clear-cut either way. He's doing a bunch of things at once whenever he is on-screen - and honestly those various roles are interacting in very problematic ways.
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R: Hello Games need to actually come up with a PR strategy and be careful about it. As far as we know they have no strategy.Somebody in the OT said they saw giant sandworms a while back and said it was awesome. They never posted again, though.
The vagueness of that tweet and the context surrounding it has been highly debated to the point of getting several threads locked and I have no intention of derailing this thread and getting it locked.
Panel shows like Colbert are always confusing to me - because both sides get something out of it. Especially when there are A-list movie stars and stuff on there. I highly doubt those movie stars are paying for the slot, considering how many viewers they might pull to the station. It seems like a win:win for the show and the person being sponsored. Unless someone on this board knows something about how they work there's no answer to this.
The contention with Sean is that he's not just a businessman. Nothing like execs like Shu or Mark Cerny or Reggie or whathave you, who are figureheads for large organisations or branches of organisations. Sean's company is tiny, almost entirely artists, and he was first-and-foremost (and very recently in his career), only a developer and an evidently impassioned gamer. Not that this excuses him, obviously, but it means that as well as promoting his game on various channels, he is also the actual creator showing off his work that he is very passionate about - again unlike Reggie, etc.
He's not trained in PR. He's evidently not trained in being the figurehead for a business. And both of those roles seem to have been thrust upon him with no qualifications. You say it's the role he's "supposed" to have, but it's not really clear-cut either way. He's doing a bunch of things at once whenever he is on-screen - and honestly those various roles are interacting in very problematic ways.
TL
Somebody in the OT said they saw giant sandworms a while back and said it was awesome. They never posted again, though.
I mostly agree, which is why I think he shouldn't be taking on a dual role.
In Service
Member
Is not likely to have a case.....
Never say never. You can't assume the law in every jurisdiction.
Still.....
These things are absolute facts but it's also absolute facts that he said you will see other players in the game and can play the game with other people, several times.
I love No Man's Sky but you have to accept this.
Heckler456
Banned
"No Man's Sky is not a multiplayer game." is vague?
How absolutely ridiculous.
If we're talking objectivity, you can in fact play with other players in a roundabout way, and there is multiplayer functionality with the "scan for other players" thing.
This puts it in a clear-cut fashion. Thanks Spam.
You certainly can't meet other players, though. He said that. Verbatim. I.e. not talking about "playing with others" through the shared experience. He said that you will 'meet' other players in-game.
Objectivity doesn't really come into it.
He never said this is a multiplayer game. He has always said to expect a single player experience. No fans of the actual game actually care about the "mp fiasco." It's all just fuel for the same trolls that have been saying "what do you do" for the last 3 years.
Hopefully, but degrading comments will get to anyone eventually.
MisterR
Member
It's laughable. No Man's Sky is not a multiplayer game. Please don't go In looking for that experience. That's plain as fucking day. I think E92 M3 nailed it about who is doing the constant outrage.
Have seen medium size sandworms, maybe 4m long? Covered in rows of little teeth and other terrifying details buy they were really quite chilled.
I thought we did have an answer. He said said yes you can see other players. You're asking him to give specifics on how/when that happens. I hope he continues to stay quiet on the issue and allows us to discover elements of the game. This game was never sold as a multiplayer game, in fact explicitly defined as a single player experience for years now. Why is the default response to call the dude a liar? It seems completely irresponsible.
Snkfanatic
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MisterR
Member
Message board trolls frequently overestimate their influence on things. There is no fall from grace. There is a loud minority of message board trolls trying their best though.
Heckler456
Banned
Well, yes, you do. At least, you meet their footprint.
And, you know, there is still the fact that he very clearly said that there won't be "meet other players face to face" multiplayer back in 2014. Or that he ever showed footage implying that that would happen.
So, if all you've got to go off of is a single statement made whenever, and your conclusion is "he's a horrible lie-monster" instead of "maybe I misunderstood, I should give him the benefit of the doubt, the exclusion of a part of the game so minuscule in the grand scheme of things shouldn't elicit this type of a reaction", then I don't know what to tell you.
All that cash money will probably cushion his fall.
That's it. 500 posts on such a soft statement.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tech/gam...aid-Xbox-One-release-PC-PS4-Review-Best-Deals
DrROBschiz
Member
Lmao get out of here with labels
Did you even read my post
The truth lies somewhere in betweent the ridiculousness of both sides
Accept that its a divisive game
Sean Murray just created, delivered and sold a multi-million selling franchise. It launched 2nd only to Uncharted for Sony, with 5th biggest launch of any game on any platform. He sold his house to fund the company, and at height had 15 staff.
Heckler456
Banned
As to the paid DLC, we already know he'll be adding features for free through patches. That's been announced since before release, along with what exactly will be added. And by all accounts, the first patch seems pretty sweet already.
I'll start raising an eyebrow at this news once he drops the free patching and starts selling DLC.
I'll start raising an eyebrow at this news once he drops the free patching and starts selling DLC.
MisterR
Member
What a crash that must have been for him.
Where would be the loss? Sean Murray did everything a person could do to make his words absolutely worthless wether hes just overly naive and ambitious as on group thinks or if he's lying like the other people think, whatever the case we only know for certain that his word shouldn't be held to high standards cos every promise he's making is a subject to change.
So really, what would be the loss?
DrROBschiz
Member
Its like people forgot that its ok for a game they dont like to exist and succeed
Its Mass Effect 3 ending all over again. What a disgrace
And its not like the criticism arent valid
Its how people are acting after the criticisms are levied thats embarrassing
Its Mass Effect 3 ending all over again. What a disgrace
And its not like the criticism arent valid
Its how people are acting after the criticisms are levied thats embarrassing
MisterR
Member
How fucking childish.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Sorry, just seems to me that you are placing unreasonable obligations on a developer purely based on your interpretation of their intentions/expectations expressed in an ad-hoc manner.
I appreciate your position, and the polite way you've made your point, but I just fundamentally disagree with your premise.
A game is not an appliance built to serve a specific function, its a creative work and that allows for more latitude and liberalism in terms of content variance without breaking the consumer/provider commercial compact.
Different scales, but Terraria does it.
You are quite literally trying to derail this into something that's been discussed over ~200 pages already and ended up getting locked.
No Mans Boys?
The games Steam store page and the PS4 box explicitly list it as a single player game, good luck with that court case.
Jacksinthe
Banned
This is the most obscene suggestion I ha e ever heard.
When you try to sell your product, you talk about its features and what it includes, how it functions, etc.
You are suggesting a dev can tell you one thing then at the point of sale sell you something else and it's A-Ok because the description of the product before hand doesn't have to match the end product.
Again, you are the reason developers do this stuff. Because they can tell you they are selling you diamond earrings and you'd be OK getting a piece of tin with fishhooks.
The problem is that you don't actually KNOW what is in the product until AFTER the point of sale. You were told one thing and sold an incomplete or faulty package. That's why devs talk about their games - to tell you what you can expect to sell it to you.
You are blaming the consumer for believing the seller. What is wrong with you?
Heckler456
Banned
Sorry, wasn't aware. I just responded and kept responding. I'll shut up now.
4m is pretty dang big! Were they worming through sand and everything?
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
If it's laughable why did he state on national TV that it was multiplayer? People are fully aware that he said there was no multiplayer, but that doesn't change the fact that he made the opposite claim on a much bigger stage. What's laughable is that defenders are so up in arms about this that they're denying things that he literally said.
Django.Mango
Member
I think they should fix the game first before selling people on new things or add some things for free. Personally i think "this" is one of the best planned ripoffs in gaming history, thanks to absurd embargos and clever marketing.