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Overwatch Mafia |OT| Keep Your Vote On The Payload
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StanleyPalmtree
Banned
and suddenly i realize i somehow blanked on the "if you town and..." part of your post. woops.
my suspicion is that vere is scum and figures they are doomed and just want to go down giving us as little as possible.
Don't really see how your story is less complicated than someone claiming cop thats found scum, buddy.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Town points?
Assuming verelios is scum? That seems like an unnecessary bus.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I mean I agree w/ u I'm just trying to cover every base
I'm still trying to find a reason, a motive for Scum Ourobolus to do this stuff. So far splinter has given "there are some crazy roles" which is vague as heck. And Zeke gave the grey area idea, which relies badly on flavor of the heroes which is already countered in the rules. We can't figure out scum or neutrals just based on hero names, otherwise this game could be solved with hero name mass claim.
What can I say? I like making theories up. It's fun and I like to read what people thinks of them. How hard they try to debunk them or make sense of them. It actually gives me more reads on people than normal conversation.
What I really think: Ouro is a neutral Tracer who has to kill Widowmaker to win the game. He made a false roleclaim to make Widowmaker counter claim. If this is true we could lose 4 player before the next day phase (if there are no shenanigans): the lynched Vere, Ouro NK Eze, Ouro wins and leaves the game and a potential NK from scum. From here the result vary depending of Vere and Eze aligments:
If Vere and Eze are both towns we lose 3 townies and a neutral which would be a bad result from us.
If one of Vere and Eze are town and one scum it would be 2 townies, 1 scum and a neutral which it wouldn't be so bad especially if Vere is the one who isn't lying as he is only a normal townie now.
If Vere and Eze are both scum we would have a 2 scum, 1 townie and a neutral which is really great.
I still think that lynching Ouro would minimize our loses and give us the more info. I understand that people are afraid to kill a cop but killing him would help clarify the game a lot.
What I really think: Ouro is a neutral Tracer who has to kill Widowmaker to win the game. He made a false roleclaim to make Widowmaker counter claim. If this is true we could lose 4 player before the next day phase (if there are no shenanigans): the lynched Vere, Ouro NK Eze, Ouro wins and leaves the game and a potential NK from scum. From here the result vary depending of Vere and Eze aligments:
If Vere and Eze are both towns we lose 3 townies and a neutral which would be a bad result from us.
If one of Vere and Eze are town and one scum it would be 2 townies, 1 scum and a neutral which it wouldn't be so bad especially if Vere is the one who isn't lying as he is only a normal townie now.
If Vere and Eze are both scum we would have a 2 scum, 1 townie and a neutral which is really great.
I still think that lynching Ouro would minimize our loses and give us the more info. I understand that people are afraid to kill a cop but killing him would help clarify the game a lot.
So Ouro can NK his target?
Easiest role ever, just claim his target, await counter claim, wait for NK, win?
Nah.
Also why wouldn't he have done this on day 1?
If Ouro would have roleclaimed the first day as WM it would be suspicious as several as stated that roleclaiming the first day would be a bad idea. And it doesn't make certain that the true WM would counter claim. But claiming cop and WM? That would certainly would make the true WM came forward.
Maybe he has to make the kill. If he wins if the widowmaker is killed by either lynching or scum NK would be to easy for Ouro to win. He just has to wait for that to happen. Maybe that's why he is in hurry to make all of this. Or maybe I'm just mistaken. That's the good thing about discussions, brings things to light that I didn't think much.
Just rereading a bit:
Eze have you used any of you abilities yet?
Why would we lynch Vere if you don't kill him with your NK? If you propose to go that route and Vere don't die we should lynch you.
I have already said this but if one of the powers don't help much why you kept it secret in the first post? Why don't you share it?
Eze have you used any of you abilities yet?
Why would we lynch Vere if you don't kill him with your NK? If you propose to go that route and Vere don't die we should lynch you.
I have already said this but if one of the powers don't help much why you kept it secret in the first post? Why don't you share it?
Verelios has checked out because he thinks he's being lynched and doesn't care enough to sit around all day arguing the point.
The idea that scum Zeke would sacrifice himself to save scum Verelios who has literally given up is ridiculous.
Fuck this day is frustrating to read. You all need to cut out this "WAH WAH FLAVOUR IS FLAVOUR" bullshit as a way to shut down conversation. Flashback makes sense as a role block. Tracer totally could be after Widowmaker. It's just a theory, we won't know whats actually going on here until we lynch Ouro.
There's no way in hell that Zeke lied about being Widowmaker, that makes less sense than any of the other things that don't make sense today. That makes Ouro a liar. Therefore I don't trust Ouro, and the only thing I know about Ouro is he really really really wants us to lynch Verelios, and that's why it's the last thing we should do today.
A cop that's found scum can be thrown off by miller, framer, switcher, crazy Sorian role, etc. We also have to trust that Ouro is a cop in the first place.
Zeke's "story" on the other hand is all public knowledge: 2 people have publicly claimed the same role, one of them is lying.
Why have you been doing this all day Burb? "I can't figure out a reason Ouro is lying, so I assume he is telling the truth".
How about look for a reason for Zeke to be lying. There is nothing to explain that.
Thanks for passing along his message from the scum chat.
I'm amazed I even need to point it out in the first place tbh. Why the hell is your vote where it is?
I think cabot's strongman theory is pretty interesting.
The absolute truth from our POV is that two people have claimed widowmaker.
His POV is pretty much the same as ours, although we don't know which of the two is lying.
Unlike Ouro's POV, which actually is completely different to ours.
SO LYNCH ZEKE
I wanted to ask Ouro this as well, but why claim so late if that's the case? Why not just come right out of the gate:
"Alright I'm cop, Verelios is scum. My rolename is widowmaker."
And to Ouro: What was your plan on D2 after the red check? You didn't claim until Splinter pressured you.
If Zeke is lying, then it means he is protecting Verelios. So that means Verelios is fucking important to him for some reason. And Verelios is red-checked by claimed Cop. This is not rocket science, Splinter.
You've spent the entire day looking for a justification to lynch outside of the counterclaimers, and this is all you've come up with.
After accusing me of bringing up crazy roles. A role so powerful it's worth losing two scum to keep it alive one more night.
Ok.
To those who actually know the game. If you were Ouro and fake claiming cop, which heroes wouldn't you claim?
Vere being scum may not be related to Ouro. Ouro can be just lucky enough that he caught a scum with his claim. If we finally lynch Vere and he is found scum I wouldn't take Ouro's cop claim for certain. For all that matters it could be all a ruse. I also claimed cop and gave town Hobodobo in AC mafia to gain town's credit and Ouro was part of our team.
I want to know if Eze already used his conmuter ability. It may give us some margin here.
If we think heroes are indicative of roles and alignments, this game could be solved with a mass claim. Hope you don't think that.
I don't think heroes are indicative of roles. I said as much in the post you quoted.
He isn't talking about aligments. But if the powers are related to the lore Tracer could be someone who has to kill the Widowmaker. That wouldn't solve anything with a mass roleclaim as we don't know which heroes are in which side.
I find weird that Ouro roleclaimed Tracer the first day jokingly and now he roleclaims Widowmaker.
If there isn't another Tracer it would help clarify some things. But maybe Tracer is a scum role and they could be very happy with all this development so maybe we won't have a Tracer roleclaim.
Then we're back on Scum Ouro bussing Verelios from the get go, where no one else really went after him.
If Verelios is a lynch bomb that could be logical, otherwise I don't really see why he needed to end Verelios on D2 after a no kill night.
Yeah if we don't get a claim then either Ouro is tracer or tracer is scum (or both). But even "Tracer is scum" is useful info (mass claim before lylo, lynch tracer or a duplicate claimant).
Yes, that's why yesterday I said this is the least possible scenario. I just don't want to make Ouro a 100% certain cop if Vere is flipped scum because all there are a LOT of
inconsistencies in Ouro's post. There are a lot of things that doesn't make sense and a LOT of take backs.
I see you voted for Stanley and I asume is because you want to press him to come forward and share his views. What is your take on all of this? Who do you believe, Ouro or Eze? Are you voting for Vere or Ouro?
Why do you scum read me? IIRC you had a light town read on me D1.
Work starts soon. Sundays are busy so I probably won't be able to keep up.
I'm still for a turbo of Verelios. Discussion isn't getting anywhere IMO. Stuff against Ouro is too circumstantial. I don't like Lynching for info, it sounds like an excuse for mislynching. Lynching Ouro has a much higher potential downside and it's not like Verelios' flip will leave us stranded for info unless he somehow flips neutral. Verelios hasn't informed us of any lynchers which I think most targets are aware of.
Current vote count:
Verelios (11)
Ourobolus
Bronx-man
*Splinter
Franconp
AbsolutBro
Melonrabbit
Xamtheking
Haly
WhereAreMahDragonz
Kingkitty
Burbeting
nin1000
Ty4on
cabot
Mazre
AbsolutBro
Ourobolus (5)
EzekelRAGE
*Splinter
Haly
franconp
Cherry Bomb
nin1000 (1)
Barrylocke
StanleyPalmtree (0)
cabot
*Splinter (0)
cabot
Absolutbro (0)
Burbeting
Mazre (0)
Haly
Bronx-man (0)
Kingkitty
EzekelRAGE (0)
Barrylocke
Kyanrute (0)
Melonrabbit
11 votes needed for majority
Verelios (11)
Ourobolus
Bronx-man
Melonrabbit
Xamtheking
WhereAreMahDragonz
Burbeting
nin1000
Ty4on
cabot
Mazre
AbsolutBro
Ourobolus (5)
EzekelRAGE
*Splinter
Haly
franconp
Cherry Bomb
nin1000 (1)
Barrylocke
StanleyPalmtree (0)
*Splinter (0)
Absolutbro (0)
Mazre (0)
Bronx-man (0)
EzekelRAGE (0)
Kyanrute (0)
11 votes needed for majority
VOTE: Verelios
This puts us at 10 votes for Verelios, next vote would be majority.
At this point I think everyone has had a chance to weigh in and we're only a few hours from our original deadline. If someone feels they have something else to explore and wants more time speak up or lets get on with it.
This puts us at 10 votes for Verelios, next vote would be majority.
At this point I think everyone has had a chance to weigh in and we're only a few hours from our original deadline. If someone feels they have something else to explore and wants more time speak up or lets get on with it.
AbsolutBro
Member
I genuinely think it's better we put this to rest.
Vote: Verelios
Vote: Verelios
Barrylocke
Member
I've been away all day yesterday for an event, and I won't be able to read things here im a hard way until after 3 (in 4 or 5 hours). Until then Im reading what's happened since last night in bursts when I can though.
Barrylocke
Member
Or the day can end, that works too.
