mrmickfran
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Bruh now everyone loves Skyward Sword
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The Zelda cycle begins anew
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Edge #304 - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild special
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CharminUltra
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Man, March is ABSOLUTELY PACKED with gaming goodness.
First, there's the Zelda amazingness on the 3rd, then after that more Zelda goodness directly into my veins in the middle of the month, and then, just when you think the ride is about to end, even MORE ZELDA.
It's going to be a veritable beast of a gaming month.
First, there's the Zelda amazingness on the 3rd, then after that more Zelda goodness directly into my veins in the middle of the month, and then, just when you think the ride is about to end, even MORE ZELDA.
It's going to be a veritable beast of a gaming month.
brandonh83
Banned
Why can't there be a vocal majority in favor of Skyward Sword? I know you're all out there.
You're just too damned quiet. Make some noise.
You're just too damned quiet. Make some noise.
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Why can't there be a vocal majority in favor of Skyward Sword? I know you're all out there.
You're just too damned quiet. Make some noise.
The fucks the context for this.
Nah. Game is trash.
The Last One
Member
Don't you lick your games's boxarts?
Who needs context, it's hot
It was a good, but not great game. Still one of my least liked in the series.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
No. Skyward Sword is a trainwreck.
FloweryMarston
Member
I came to love skyward sword, but just like 3d world it is not the direction that i wanted them to take the series. I really enjoy these games and i think that these games will receive more love now that zelda and mario are going into a direction that seems like the majority wants. They won't be the majority favorites, but they will be like zelda 2 and mario bros 2. I will always love these games, but i'm super stokes that breath of the wild is this phenomenal masterpiece that everyone is raving about, and that super mario odyssey has the potential receive the same reception at the end of the year.
Lion Heart
Banned
This aint a Zelda thread, its an Edge thread. Not that it matters, people can express their opinion on a series to their hearts content.
brandonh83
Banned
No idea, but reminds me of the girl licking a Vita.
I used to like Twilight Princess more than I do now. I still really like it and I think the back half of the game is absolutely a high stretch for the series, but I feel like the intro is even slower and longer, Hyrule Field is okay but has some really vast spaces with nothingness (like the big field north of Kakariko and before the bridge, and other things... the field being "empty" doesn't really bother me, like I wouldn't deduct points from the game for it but it was more striking in hindsight.
Skyward is just designed much better for me and I liked the panicked tear collection sequences a lot more than the bugs in TP (again... something I don't really dislike but Skyward handled it better). If the front half of Twilight Princess were as good as the second half I think it would be like... god tier. Some of it is god tier, just saying overall.
If only he were doing that rather than insinuating that people are flat out wrong:
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
The moment i finished it, it was my favourite zelda.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
I mean every time a Zelda game has been reviewed they always say it's the "best in the series" and "better than OOT" that's not to say Breath of the Wild won't be good, every vid and gif I've seen makes me think it'll be fucking great but Zelda games tend to be more controversial than not. I give it a year before people turn on it.
lol Link's "pot lid surfing challenge" Vine fail ends in death.
Been in too many Skyward Sword arguments that I should know better, but I thought it was a fantastic game and the motion controls were a revelation. I'm heartbroken they're not still in Breath of the Wild but will definitely take a portable version on Switch.
Second best 3D Zelda behind Wind Waker.
Second best 3D Zelda behind Wind Waker.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Skyward sword is great and so far has the currently greatest Zelda and impa incarnations
MasterMenace
Member
Can someone with the magazine give a detailed rundown of the Torment review? I've seen one gaffer post about it but it was very brief. I don't care about Zelda...
……forgetit
Member
Skyward sword was amazing. Fight me
All of this is true.
Definitely not 10/10 though, good game with flaws, should have been 10 hours shorter.
All of this is true.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Ah jesus, I went and fell asleep earlier and did t realized I would get this many comments to my earlier comment, ill be sure to do some bullet points when I get back home
Evil's Bane
Member
skyward sword is alright
PhazonBlazer
Member
Skyward Sword has:
The best story in the series
2nd best OST in the series
Great dungeons
Great characters
Fun combat (when it works)
Great art style
The best story in the series
2nd best OST in the series
Great dungeons
Great characters
Fun combat (when it works)
Great art style
Best combat and best puzzle design in the series. There's a lot for people to dislike (the worst opening of any 3D Zelda, which is saying a lot in a sea of terrible openings), text speed, blah blah blah, but my first time through was goddamn magical.
Each of the three trips through the desert are among the best stages in the entire franchise, too.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
No lies detected.
Pretty much the only thing I didn't like about it was this goofy looking thing and its boss fights
victreeb3l
Member
……forgetit
Member
Gotta correct you, Twilight princess has the worst opening. Skyward sword might take longer, but at least it has charm and you like the characters you meet. Twilight Princess's opening is a full slog until you meet Midna.
Why can't there be a vocal majority in favor of Skyward Sword? I know you're all out there.
You're just too damned quiet. Make some noise.
I loved the shit out of Skyward Sword. It deserved its 10
GregLombardi
Member
You people are crazy! Skyward sword is nowhere near a perfect game and nowhere near a 10. However, I expect that will have 0 effect on how awesome BOTW is. BOTW looks like something out of Gods treasure chest. There is no relationship between the two except some of the people making them.
MisterGrey3000
Member
I absolutely adore Skyward Sword, it's a fantastic action-adventure game imo, but yeah The Sky as an interactive element is completely unnecessary.
The music is wonderful, but as a hub it only seems to exist because it's tradition for Link to ride somethin' around a sandbox-like area in order to get to more important places.
If it were up to me, a bigger and somewhat more active Skyloft would have been the game's central hub; where it's various landmarks (like statues, pillars, etc.) would act as "secret" (from a narrative standpoint) warp points to the main quest on the surface below.
They weren't, though! The motion controls were very fluid. Link would move his arm in the exact locations you would move your arm holding the wii remote. The controls were very accurate. It's sad that a game at the end of the Wii's lifespan was what, in my opinion, redeemed motion controls as a primary input. I think most people just assume it's essentially waggle, but it's so much more.
Everytime I saw the imprisoned I was like,
"Daw look at your little toe aren't you a little cutie boy?"
Then the imprisoned would proceed to try and eat me and then I remember that he's the bad guy.
They weren't, sword combat was very smooth and fluid.
I never once had problems with the control after the first dungeon when I learnt how to master the art of shield bash.
tried to sum up that podcast because it keeps getting brought up and makes some really good points. so since it's about zelda austin does most of the talking and comparing and it should be noted that he didn't like horizon as much as the other host patrick (?) who thought the game was excellent with a few flaws. there are so many points being made so it's long but it was a really good discussion.
-horizon is a great game but the potential it showed is a bit larger than what it ended up living up to. laid a great foundation for a sequel
-larger story is great, feels like that's the highest point of praise. the things that it explores are really deep and interesting
-there are some bad exposition dumps, thought there had to be a way to do that better
-the game world feels a tad restricting for how inviting it seems. little things like aloy being incredibly acrobatic but not being able to walk over a small curb.
-aloy is great
-there's a moment with aloy at the end that's great and is a moment of the year contender
-wanted the world to feel more organic with more interaction between stuff like observing enemies fighting each other etc. "it's very rare that you find the world systemically interacting with one another". feels like when that itch was scratched it was because the game was scripting it to happen.
-horizon vs. zelda is like digital vs. analog (understands that's a weak analogy that won't hold up to scrutiny)
-in horizon you do the things the game wants you to do; specified walls to climb with predetermined route etc. vs. in zelda you can climb essentially anything you want and find your own path. the feeling of "I bet I can do this" and then being able to do it is greater in zelda.
-every impulse of exploration in zelda has been rewarded; scratching all the itches
-last zelda austin beat was MM
-would rate botw very high; ~12 hours in
-says this zelda feels like a new sub-genre to open world games. brings up witcher 3 in one corner, assassin's creed/ubi stuff in another, bioware type stuff in another, and says zelda feels like another distinct thing. hadn't seen exploration like this in the open world space outside of stuff like minecraft.
-playing zelda and horizon back to back made him realize that maybe open world fatigue isn't actually a thing and we as gamers should make the harder conclusion of zooming in and realizing that specific game isn't executing
-you're always going to be discovering things between objectives; world is filled with little environmental puzzles; encourages you to take notice of all of your surroundings
-shrines scratch the dungeon itch
-compares shrines to Nintendo's take on Portal levels; many "aha" moments
-very cool story mechanic thing, can't talk about it
-game is difficult; enemy ai is good; has died a lot; didn't die as much in horizon
-compares game to far cry; describes scenario where he was low on health and needed to get to a place, comes across a bokoblin camp and doesn't want to directly engage, finds a boulder, lifts boulder with magnet, searches for the right spot/angle to drop it, and drops it on an explosive barrel and blows the camp up.
-stuff like the above makes the story telling feel more connected to the player; zelda games the story is usually told to the the player, this is the player making his/her own story. horizon doesn't allow for player stories as much, not what it's going for though.
-combat/design in horizon doesn't push you to be creative, only a few fights where you are forced to utilize your full skill set. easy to become habitual.
-zelda pushes you to improvise a lot
-weapon degradation is cool. when you engage in combat early on you're committing to something breaking but you typically leave that combat encounter with better gear. save good gear for more significant fights/scenarios. the game does push you to use your better gear though.
-different weapon types have strengthens and weaknesses; sledge hammer is good for breaking up ore, axe for chopping trees, move set in combat, etc.
-there are special weapons for doing certain things
-enjoys cooking; very intuitive with how you combine items to make a dish
-npc interactions are great in zelda. contrasts with horizon where he wasn't excited about seeing people out and about like in zelda.
-zelda conveys both the warmth and the terror of a studio ghibli film.
-feeling of wonder and mystery in zelda; contrasts with some other open world games where you get the objective and do the objective without feeling like doing anything else in between
-has been using the screenshot function a lot which is indicative of it being a good game
then they swerve to Switch talk overall but I think they answer some more Zelda realted questions at the end so here's the podcast link
https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...-the-wild-first-impressions-on-waypoint-radio
-horizon is a great game but the potential it showed is a bit larger than what it ended up living up to. laid a great foundation for a sequel
-larger story is great, feels like that's the highest point of praise. the things that it explores are really deep and interesting
-there are some bad exposition dumps, thought there had to be a way to do that better
-the game world feels a tad restricting for how inviting it seems. little things like aloy being incredibly acrobatic but not being able to walk over a small curb.
-aloy is great
-there's a moment with aloy at the end that's great and is a moment of the year contender
-wanted the world to feel more organic with more interaction between stuff like observing enemies fighting each other etc. "it's very rare that you find the world systemically interacting with one another". feels like when that itch was scratched it was because the game was scripting it to happen.
-horizon vs. zelda is like digital vs. analog (understands that's a weak analogy that won't hold up to scrutiny)
-in horizon you do the things the game wants you to do; specified walls to climb with predetermined route etc. vs. in zelda you can climb essentially anything you want and find your own path. the feeling of "I bet I can do this" and then being able to do it is greater in zelda.
-every impulse of exploration in zelda has been rewarded; scratching all the itches
-last zelda austin beat was MM
-would rate botw very high; ~12 hours in
-says this zelda feels like a new sub-genre to open world games. brings up witcher 3 in one corner, assassin's creed/ubi stuff in another, bioware type stuff in another, and says zelda feels like another distinct thing. hadn't seen exploration like this in the open world space outside of stuff like minecraft.
-playing zelda and horizon back to back made him realize that maybe open world fatigue isn't actually a thing and we as gamers should make the harder conclusion of zooming in and realizing that specific game isn't executing
-you're always going to be discovering things between objectives; world is filled with little environmental puzzles; encourages you to take notice of all of your surroundings
-shrines scratch the dungeon itch
-compares shrines to Nintendo's take on Portal levels; many "aha" moments
-very cool story mechanic thing, can't talk about it
-game is difficult; enemy ai is good; has died a lot; didn't die as much in horizon
-compares game to far cry; describes scenario where he was low on health and needed to get to a place, comes across a bokoblin camp and doesn't want to directly engage, finds a boulder, lifts boulder with magnet, searches for the right spot/angle to drop it, and drops it on an explosive barrel and blows the camp up.
-stuff like the above makes the story telling feel more connected to the player; zelda games the story is usually told to the the player, this is the player making his/her own story. horizon doesn't allow for player stories as much, not what it's going for though.
-combat/design in horizon doesn't push you to be creative, only a few fights where you are forced to utilize your full skill set. easy to become habitual.
-zelda pushes you to improvise a lot
-weapon degradation is cool. when you engage in combat early on you're committing to something breaking but you typically leave that combat encounter with better gear. save good gear for more significant fights/scenarios. the game does push you to use your better gear though.
-different weapon types have strengthens and weaknesses; sledge hammer is good for breaking up ore, axe for chopping trees, move set in combat, etc.
-there are special weapons for doing certain things
-enjoys cooking; very intuitive with how you combine items to make a dish
-npc interactions are great in zelda. contrasts with horizon where he wasn't excited about seeing people out and about like in zelda.
-zelda conveys both the warmth and the terror of a studio ghibli film.
-feeling of wonder and mystery in zelda; contrasts with some other open world games where you get the objective and do the objective without feeling like doing anything else in between
-has been using the screenshot function a lot which is indicative of it being a good game
then they swerve to Switch talk overall but I think they answer some more Zelda realted questions at the end so here's the podcast link
https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...-the-wild-first-impressions-on-waypoint-radio
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
For all the positives, I found the hand holding and shitty overworked outweighed them and brought the game down.
Agreed. It and the boss on the boat had atrocious designs.
Now that I think about it, all of my negativity towards the game stems from that ugly git and some of the silent realm.
also that shit enormous UI...thank goodness that's improved this round
PhazonBlazer
Member
The main thing I HATE about Skyward Sword is the imprisoned fights. They repeated it way too much.
Great summary. I'm a fan of Austin (I feel like his voice is super unique in the medium) and I've actually listened to this podcast twice now. I'm super excited for Zelda after this round of previews and this podcast is a big reason for that.
Dark Cloud
Member
No, they didn't say that about SS. Please don't make things up.
yeah I honestly just wanted to listen to it again and people had been talking about but not actually talking about it
kunonabi
Member
I always liked SS
It's been in my top 3 since it came out.
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