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Edge #304 - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild special

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Zemm

Member
Principate said:
Breh every main line 3D zelda game has a MC over 90. It has the highest rated game ever and said game is considered more than any other to be the greatest of all time. Of all the series you could arguably say that about Zelda is one of based on critic accolade.
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I'm not even a big fan of the Zelda games but yeah, it's quite clearly a beloved franchise, from critics to fans. I don't see any other franchises with a fanbase as dedicated as the Zelda one, the cosplay and merchandise I see people wearing is off the charts compared to other game series.

I don't get it, how can you be into videogames and not think Zelda is one of the most beloved franchises?
 
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DecoReturns

Member
Both the Mario series and Zelda series have three 10 scores from EDGE.

That's pretty cool. Two series that represent different aspects of Nintendo

I kinda want to read the review but I heard it's had spoilers.
 
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Red

Member
DecoReturns said:
Both the Mario series and Zelda series have three 10 scores from EDGE.

That's pretty cool. Two series that represent different aspects of Nintendo

I kinda want to read the review but I heard it's had spoilers.
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They are fairly mild. The only new piece of info I recall is
a teaser about gaining new abilities to traverse the open world after completing each dungeon.
But I don't know how much of a blackout you've been on, so I don't know if more would be new to you.
 
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DecoReturns

Member
Red said:
They are fairly mild. The only new piece of info I recall is
a teaser about gaining new abilities to traverse the open world after completing each dungeon.
But I don't know how much of a blackout you've been on, so I don't know if more would be new to you.
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I'm more concern about story spoilers actually. I don't know how in dept they went in for that.
 
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Manny Calavera

Member
reelbigtink said:
What's up with folks dismissing critical analysis of a medium? Reviews matter. They always have.

Like, Roger Ebert wasn't just some schmo who started writing about movies for the heck of it. He had years of experience and a keen eye for art. His analysis was to be taken seriously because he just downright knew more about film than the average movie-goer. Same thing with reputable video game reviewers.
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Exactly and even Ebert had his share of controversial reviews on movies that would be later considered classics like Blade Runner, The Usual Suspects and The Elephant Man (off the top of my head). That's what happens when you write a tons of reviews and don't have the luxury of hindsight. Regarding to all the comments about Edge's 10/10 Skyward Sword review.
 
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Flare

Member
Oh wow a 10 from Edge??

*remembers that Super Mario 64 got a 10 too*
:D
*remembers that Skyward Sword got a 10 too*
:\
*remembers that Bloodborne got a 10 too*
:D
*remembers that LittleBigPlanet got a 10 too*
:\
*remembers that Half Life 2 got a 10 too*
:D

See why it's incredibly asinine to make these comments? Reviews are framed within the period of time they were released in and the games are judged on their merits and missteps within that period. Not to mention they are completely subjective. But whatever, someone has already made a great comment regarding Edge's previous 10s.

Can't wait for March 2nd when this shit ignites into flames. Gotta keep the GAF trend of absolute dumpster fires of review threads continuing.
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Flare said:
Oh wow a 10 from Edge??

*remembers that Super Mario 64 got a 10 too*
:D
*remembers that Skyward Sword got a 10 too*
:\
*remembers that Bloodborne got a 10 too*
:D
*remembers that LittleBigPlanet got a 10 too*
:\
*remembers that Half Life 2 got a 10 too*
:D

See why it's incredibly asinine to make these comments? Reviews are framed within the period of time they were released in and the games are judged on their merits and missteps within that period. Not to mention they are completely subjective. But whatever, someone has already made a great comment regarding Edge's previous 10s.

Can't wait for March 2nd when this shit ignites into flames. Gotta keep the GAF trend of absolute dumpster fires of review threads continuing.
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But SS wasn't a 10 even when it came out.
 
A

Aaronrules380

Member
Honestly I think it'd be far more useful to see the review history of the individual writer rather than that of the publication. Two people at the same publication can have different tastes and standards after all
 
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Flare

Member
Oblivion said:
But SS wasn't a 10 even when it came out.
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Perhaps not for you, and actually not even for me. But Edge essentially liked for what it did with motion controls. And the reviewer liked it enough to give it a ten. That's great. Let's move on shall we?
 
R

Realeza

Banned
foxuzamaki said:
Just finished the waypoint podcast about this game and comparing it to horizon, and man.


I mean....damn...this game, incredible, he said some poignant ass things about this game and how its just different from other open world games
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Some bulletpoints my dude?
 
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brandonh83

Banned
A few nitpicks I have with Skyward doesn't impact the dungeons, environmental design, characters, art direction, story, soundtrack, bosses, mostly fun motion controls and combat, and ending.

Fi popping up too often or an introduction that takes its time to set up a big story doesn't make me turn my nose up at the many things that game did so brilliantly. The 27 perfect scores it has on Metacritic and the slew of 90's seem to at least agree with that.

Not that anyone is wrong with disliking it, but trying to claim that reviews don't matter because of Skyward Sword's scores or "well everyone hates it now that was six years ago!" is some tremendous bullshit.
 
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dyergram

Member
I wonder if the downplay the ten from edge crowd are the usual suspects that come into every edge thread and ignor the explanations of the edge review scale and what a 6 or a 7 means.
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
dyergram said:
I wonder if the downplay the ten from edge crowd are the usual suspects that come into every edge thread and ignor the explanations of the edge review scale and what a 6 or a 7 means.
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I actually really like and trust Edge for the most part.

I'm just saying that it's important we have context.
 
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JobenNC

Member
Oblivion said:
But SS wasn't a 10 even when it came out.
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I'm about to finish Skyward Sword, and I took a year long break at about the 15 hour point. I kind of get why the perspective of someone who just finished the game (a reviewer, ostensibly) would be wildly different than someone who gave it an earnest 10-15 hour chance. That's not to say reviewers shouldn't have reflected this in their scores, but the back third of that game is so freaking strong. Maybe I should do my first LTTP.
 
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UnemployedVillain

Member
foxuzamaki said:
Just finished the waypoint podcast about this game and comparing it to horizon, and man.


I mean....damn...this game, incredible, he said some poignant ass things about this game and how its just different from other open world games
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Do you have a link to it? I've been trying to find it again and can't
 
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Primethius

Banned
geordiemp said:
Do they discuss combat, yet to play an open world game with half decent combat and cant be bothered to listen to the drivel.
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You should play Dragons Dogma. Not only the best combat in an open world, just one of the best combat systems period.

Flare said:
Oh wow a 10 from Edge??

*remembers that Super Mario 64 got a 10 too*
:D
*remembers that Skyward Sword got a 10 too*
:
*remembers that Bloodborne got a 10 too*
:D
*remembers that LittleBigPlanet got a 10 too*
:
*remembers that Half Life 2 got a 10 too*
:D

See why it's incredibly asinine to make these comments? Reviews are framed within the period of time they were released in and the games are judged on their merits and missteps within that period. Not to mention they are completely subjective. But whatever, someone has already made a great comment regarding Edge's previous 10s.

Can't wait for March 2nd when this shit ignites into flames. Gotta keep the GAF trend of absolute dumpster fires of review threads continuing.
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No TLOU mention?

Always knew you were a scrub.
 
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Ghgghggh

Banned
I don't agree with skyward Swords ten but it doesn't negate the 10 given to this Zelda for two important reasons.

1. Look at the caliber of all the other Edge 10/10 games and notice 10s are not handed out liberally.

2 BOTW is nothing like SS wrt our issues with it- motion controls are not central, overworld is not segmented, there are no long tutorials or hand holding side kicks.

This is a non issue, be hyped about this 10.
 
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Ryoku

Member
Man, people hating on Skyward Sword makes me sad.
That game, though not without its flaws, had some of the best level design out there. Actually, that's still true today. The fact that the design did not suffer despite it being designed around 1:1 motion controls is quite a feat, I think.
Yeah, the sky overworld was incredibly bland--not to mention tedious as hell. Also, the menus did not need the gyro aiming. The menu was probably the most annoying part of the game I can remember. However, the places you went through were remarkably crafted, and the gameplay absolutely delivered in that regard. The game has some of the best dungeons in the series.

While I'm going to miss the 1:1 motion gameplay that game gave us, Breath of the Wild looks like a much-needed breath of fresh air for the series. I can't wait... Less than a week!
 
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Caelus

Member
Are we going to track every 10 handed out by every reviewer who gives this game a 10, or can we acknowledge that a 10 crosses the threshold for a game not being shit and enjoy the game for our own individual reasons?

It's not like game reviewers, even within the same magazine, are some monolith biased for or against a game series.
 
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Xun

Member
Skyward Sword is a fantastic game.

It's not appreciated anywhere near as much as it should be by any means.
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Ghgghggh said:
I don't agree with skyward Swords ten but it doesn't negate the 10 given to this Zelda for two important reasons.

1. Look at the caliber of all the other Edge 10s games and notice 10s are not handed out liberally.

2 BOTW is nothing like SS wet our issues with it. Not motion control centered, overworked is not segmented, there are no log tutorials or hand holding side kicks.

This is a non issue, be hyped about this 10.
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This is true. Which is why I'm still excited about it.

-Horizon- said:
??
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Whoops, the guy said Bloodborne, not Bloodrayne. My bad lol.
 
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brandonh83

Banned
Ryoku said:
Yeah, the sky overworld was incredibly bland--not to mention tedious as hell. However, the places you went through themselves were remarkably crafted, and the gameplay absolutely delivered in that regard.
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Heh, this wasn't even an issue for me. The main attraction in the sky is Skyloft, which is a very dense and large place. Otherwise you had the Thunderhead area, which was awesome, mysterious and super atmospheric. But just the main sky area, where you fly around, its purpose like Hyrule Field is to connect the disjointed areas. In fact the sky is pretty much the same thing as Hyrule Field, and it doesn't take long at all to reach any certain point with the loftwing.

And there was Pumpkin Landing, several smaller islands with secrets, the bug island, bamboo island, etc. It had things to do. It wasn't filled to the brim with things to do, but it certainly wasn't empty and you spend most of the time down on the land anyway. Like I can't imagine complaining about the sky in Skyward, but not complaining about Hyrule Field in Ocarina of Time. They function largely the same.

Xun said:
Skyward Sword is a fantastic game.

It's not appreciated anywhere near as much as it should be by any means.
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Where have you guys been all my life
 
P

Primethius

Banned
Caelus said:
Are we going to track every 10 handed out by every reviewer who gives this game a 10, or can we acknowledge that a 10 crosses the threshold for a game not being shit and enjoy the game for our own individual reasons?

It's not like game reviewers, even within the same magazine, are some monolith biased for or against a game series.
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If a reviewer doesn't agree with a person's opinion 100% of the time, they're practically worthless.

I mean, who cares about the actual review? It's all about the number.
 
Laughing Banana

Laughing Banana

Weeping Pickle
Okolonans said:
I'm assuming this is directed at me since I'm the main person not being positive in the last few pages of this thread. If not, I apologize and you can disregard this.

1. I liked the first Zelda game and Ocarina, I just thought Ocarina was really overrated.

2. Why would you discount someone's opinion just because they think a game you like it's as great as everyone says it is? Sounds like straight-up fanboy thinking, which I know most people here actually aren't.

3. I'm not really giving my opinion of the game, per se. I already said I think it looks good based off of what people have written about it. I'm just saying at some point people have to stop going out of their minds every time the press hands out another 10 to a hyped title.



Mate. Play Skyward Sword.



I guess it only matters if you care about the truth. If you are happy literally deluding yourself into thinking something is good regardless of its actual quality, then I guess you're right. However I like to think most people want to like good things and not like bad things.
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"care about the truth" my God. For all the flowery language that you spew, in my opinion in the end all you're trying to do is just trying to make yourself appear as if you are above everyone else here, really.

So edgy.

Give me a break *Rolls eyes*
 
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brandonh83

Banned
Okolonans said:
I guess it only matters if you care about the truth. If you are happy literally deluding yourself into thinking something is good regardless of its actual quality, then I guess you're right. However I like to think most people want to like good things and not like bad things.
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What's your agenda? Why do you care how other people feel about a videogame? If you think it's a bunch of bullshit and delusion alright but I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by coming into a Zelda thread and trying to tell everyone that the series is overrated and that they're all idiots or lying to themselves for thinking so highly of it. Some of the shit you're saying is absolutely bonkers.
 
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Ryoku

Member
brandonh83 said:
Heh, this wasn't even an issue for me. The main attraction in the sky is Skyloft, which is a very dense and large place. Otherwise you had the Thunderhead area, which was awesome, mysterious and super atmospheric. But just the main sky area, where you fly around, its purpose like Hyrule Field is to connect the disjointed areas. In fact the sky is pretty much the same thing as Hyrule Field, and it doesn't take long at all to reach any certain point with the loftwing.

And there was Pumpkin Landing, several smaller islands with secrets, the bug island, bamboo island, etc. It had things to do. It wasn't filled to the brim with things to do, but it certainly wasn't empty and you spend most of the time down on the land anyway. Like I can't imagine complaining about the sky in Skyward, but not complaining about Hyrule Field in Ocarina of Time. They function largely the same.



Where have you guys been all my life
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I loved Skyloft. It literally felt like an oasis to me. Although I didn't hate the sky, it felt like an unnecessary middle-man when trying to get from Skyloft to another area.

The thing I loved a lot was that each area, before the actual dungeon, was its own "mini"-dungeon, and there were hidden areas and new parts of each area that opened up as the game progressed.

And oh my god, the music was so goooood!
Also, best Princess Zelda thus far.

EDIT: Besides the menu, I'd say the most annoying part was having to fight the Imprisoned...
 
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brandonh83

Banned
Ryoku said:
I loved Skyloft. It literally felt like an oasis to me. Although I didn't hate the sky, it felt like an unnecessary middle-man when trying to get from Skyloft to another area.
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Well, it was necessary to link everything together. To have a big sky area and the land down below there has to be some convenient method of traversal. It made sense if anything. Totally agree about the environments though, they were great and a blast to explore and work your way through before getting to a dungeon proper. The game design in Skyward was excellent.

Didn't like the Imprisoned fights either.
 
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Xun

Member
brandonh83 said:
Heh, this wasn't even an issue for me. The main attraction in the sky is Skyloft, which is a very dense and large place. Otherwise you had the Thunderhead area, which was awesome, mysterious and super atmospheric. But just the main sky area, where you fly around, its purpose like Hyrule Field is to connect the disjointed areas. In fact the sky is pretty much the same thing as Hyrule Field, and it doesn't take long at all to reach any certain point with the loftwing.

And there was Pumpkin Landing, several smaller islands with secrets, the bug island, bamboo island, etc. It had things to do. It wasn't filled to the brim with things to do, but it certainly wasn't empty and you spend most of the time down on the land anyway. Like I can't imagine complaining about the sky in Skyward, but not complaining about Hyrule Field in Ocarina of Time. They function largely the same.



Where have you guys been all my life
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It's good to see some people appreciate what is a truly fantastic game.

Even a lot of friends of mine disliked it, but if it clicks with you, it clicks! The controls were brilliant.
 
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brandonh83

Banned
Xun said:
Even a lot of friends of mine disliked it, but if it clicks with you, it clicks! The controls were brilliant.
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Friend of mine who has been playing games as long as I have quit playing it because he couldn't fly the goddamn bird. I'm just like welp no wonder a share of folks didn't like this game. I finally got him to show me what the problem was and he was literally standing up and moving his Wii remote arm up and down about a foot and a half like he was actually trying to mimic the bird flapping its wings and I'm just like duuuuuuuuude
 
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