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Horizon Zero Dawn |OT| The Land After Time
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Ah ok, when did you Plat? I got it over the weekend so maybe it takes a while.
don't mind if I do
Ravage_Hydra
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Know what just hit me? There ain't any explosive arrows, I always thought that's what they used on the E3 2015 reveal.
I don't have a Reddit account so please ask all the burning questions we have there. Thanks buddies.
whatever6352
Member
Honestly that still bugs me.
You can create the thread, if that's what you are asking!!
I don't have the account on reddit , but i know Some people here are regularly Posting in r/Horizon, like Plastica-Man.
wapplew
Member
How many hours from now?
feel free to make the thread, I will just be present for the AMA is what I meant
~20 or so if I got that timezone right
That will be Less than 22 hours!!
JadedWriter
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I kind of figure they'd be OP as fuck since you'd be able to deal explosive damage and tear damage and health damage at the same time. Triple knock them and you'd probably whittle a surprised enemy down to almost nothing before they even knew what hit them. Anything short of Stormbird, Thunderjaw and the Ravager/Sawtooth would go down in a hit.
My verdict having spent 65 hours and earned the Platinum trophy. My second ever with the first being Uncharted 1 back in 2008. Played Horizon Zero Dawn on a PS4 Pro and a LG B6 4K HDR OLED. It has consumed the last two weeks of spare time I had to detriment of other tasks.
CONS:
- Facial animations & lip sync can be a bit jarring. While Aloy is good the NPC's vary drastically. You can freeze-frame this game anytime and the expressions will look totally fine but not so much in motion. Somehow the motion capture used in cutscenes as well seems to be missing frames making it ‘shaky'. They also need to increase their stock of pre-canned NPC animations used to setup various quest events as it can look very stiff and in line with every open-world game ever (similarly stock NPC audio i.e group cheering). It's a bit amusing how every dying individual sits in the exact same elbow pose before... wait for it... comfortably leans back and *dead*.
- In terms of environment content the game is a bit lacking in ‘interactive secrets'. There's lots of lore spread around and indirect world-building that's really well done and some interesting NPC's to interact with but there's no rare beasts that only show up at moonlight, a haunted house or a secret music cave or what have you. The Cauldrons does deliver on the mystery side of things but ultimately they are too short and not challenging enough.
- Human A.I, while functional, is very barebones. They are enjoyable enough bow-fodder but not highly interesting.
PROS:
+ Fantastic story. The pacing of the main campaign and the emotional impact of it is nigh on perfect. There are several mouth-agape moments to surprise you and the lore is seriously grimdark. Speaking of the lore, it's almost overwhelming how comprehensive and neatly tied together it is considering it stretches from the ancient past to the distant post-apocalypse future. Major subjects range from science vs religion to gender roles and several levels of motherhood. On top of this you have all the different tribal houses and how they differ from each other and the history amongst them. I like how this sci-fi game is set in a real-world USA in the far future yet the tone is very much set within ancient Inca & native-american societies. The title of the game actually makes perfect sense in the end and the story also manages, against all odds, to create legitimacy for having armed robot dinosaurs.
+ Aloy is probably the best new game protagonist in years. We get to see her from birth through her youth which sets her on a distinct path. Already within the first half-an-hour there's tear-jerking material to witness and you start to root for her. To follow is a Great training montage as she rises to adulthood. She develops as a character throughout the game from being a bitter yet determined outcast to someone who uniquely sees and participates in a much bigger picture with a heartfelt emotional payoff in the end. She is perfectly voiced and she looks realistically rugged and well-trained in accordance to her skills with distinct triceps and veins showing and all her tools. She's considers most things cooly and in a pragmatic fashion though often expressed with a witty comment. Notice how she always makes her own quests. It's hard to not fall in love with her.
+ The most responsive gameplay controls yet in an open world game only challenged by MGS5. It has clear individual face buttons for every action like crouch, jump, and roll. If you sneak around and you need to jump or climb a bit it will automatically resume the crouched stance after. You need a quick roll or a long dive it only depends on how long you press the button. The bow action at first glance makes you think it's a sniper rifle replacement but you very soon discover how incredibly flexible it is and you end up doing moves like Legolas. Pull the bowstring all the way back for a steady longshot or gradually start tapping the trigger faster and faster the closer an enemy gets for more rapid yet uncontrolled shots. Load up your next shot with extra arrows ahead of taking the aim by tapping the shoulder button. Shoot while sliding, while balancing from a rope or from the back of a mount. You have different bow categories for different purposes and all those bows again have different types of arrows. The weapon wheel is genius and combines together three aspects in weapon selection, ammo selection and real-time crafting! Stealth is organic with bushes and the size of objects hiding your character instead of a rigid cover system. The game simply feels great to play and to control.
+ Lean RPG & hunting mechanics that strikes a great balance between the addictive chase for better stats and loot (without drowning you in it) and the need to have a highly responsive and directness in gameplay feel. The skill-tree is mostly ability driven and not stats-driven. The loot is like most RPG's post-World of Warcraft classified as common, rare, very rare etc. But unlike most RPG's the different loot within their specific category i.e Sharpshooter-bows actually don't have statistical/elemental base differences but rather they open up options by supporting a broader range of ammo types and having more slots for inserting Modifications. The latter component is what actually injects the weapon with specific stats and this component can be moved from gear to gear. Notice how the beasts in Horizon never drop gear but rather just modifications and crafting material. This you use to upgrade all aspects including a big focus directly on the inventory system itself with there being different pouches for different purposes. The crafting is actually really nicely interwoven into most aspects of the game.
+ Scanning enemies for weak points and analyzing those weak points ahead of real-time precision attacks is the action genre's answer to pen & paper statistical strategy. Fine aiming and bullet time is a big part of Horizon's combat and knowing how to strip your enemies of components in the fastest way possible. Similarly planning ahead with elemental traps and using special tools like the ropecaster to tie enemies down. Hack & convert enemy machines to have them fight beside you or to attack everything moving. Ultimately Horizon leans very much towards the ‘hunter' genre while striking a greater balance with shooters and RPG's.
+ I really like that the game re-sets the story to just before the final mission after the credits (while keeping your final mission xp intact). It's an elegant way to make it viable for players to enjoy the main story first or however they seem fit without having to tie-down the story in having to ‘continue the world' after the final cutscene. Similarly I really appreciate that the game has no difficulty-based trophy or any missable trophies. No matter how you choose to play you will eventually reach 100% given enough time.
+ The soundtrack is simply brilliant. ‘Prologue', ‘Years of Training' and ‘A Boon' are beautiful. ‘A Wanderer's Work', ‘A Resplendent Soil', ‘Across the Daybrink'... there are so many great tracks. And there's wonderful palette cleansers and unique scene setters in ‘Song to the Sun' and ‘Nora u Norawea'.
+ The graphics and technology is fantastic and mindblowing. More than anything the volume of content and not just how it stretches into the horizon but also how vertical everything is continues to stun me. The better looking open world games out there seem to be more flat in layout while Horizon has large mountains and hills and complex forest environments all over. The large amount of detail presented at any angle no matter where you look feels unprecedented. And somehow all of this is running at a locked 30fps with crystal clear image quality. The combination of sci-fi elements, naturalistic colors and colorful tribalism really makes this game shine in 4K HDR. The game has kept stunning me throughout the 65 hours of playtime I have spent with it.
+ The robot animals are an absolute triumph. They are in visuals, animation, sound and behavior just sublime. Their animalistic aspects make them more intimidating and interesting than your ordinary soul-less mechs and their modular nature make them super fun to try to de-construct in intense combat. Being robots they also have a skillset that goes far beyond animals with radar technologies, drone launchers, lasers, earthquakes, underground tunneling, shields... They are the perfect canvas to make a great franchise and gameplay opportunities around.
Horizon Zero Dawn is amongst the very best games Sony has been behind and in the same conversation as the original Gran Turismo and Demon's Souls. It's huge, meaty, polished-to-a-shine and full of spirit. Guerrilla Games has a clear line drawn for before-and-after.
CONS:
- Facial animations & lip sync can be a bit jarring. While Aloy is good the NPC's vary drastically. You can freeze-frame this game anytime and the expressions will look totally fine but not so much in motion. Somehow the motion capture used in cutscenes as well seems to be missing frames making it ‘shaky'. They also need to increase their stock of pre-canned NPC animations used to setup various quest events as it can look very stiff and in line with every open-world game ever (similarly stock NPC audio i.e group cheering). It's a bit amusing how every dying individual sits in the exact same elbow pose before... wait for it... comfortably leans back and *dead*.
- In terms of environment content the game is a bit lacking in ‘interactive secrets'. There's lots of lore spread around and indirect world-building that's really well done and some interesting NPC's to interact with but there's no rare beasts that only show up at moonlight, a haunted house or a secret music cave or what have you. The Cauldrons does deliver on the mystery side of things but ultimately they are too short and not challenging enough.
- Human A.I, while functional, is very barebones. They are enjoyable enough bow-fodder but not highly interesting.
PROS:
+ Fantastic story. The pacing of the main campaign and the emotional impact of it is nigh on perfect. There are several mouth-agape moments to surprise you and the lore is seriously grimdark. Speaking of the lore, it's almost overwhelming how comprehensive and neatly tied together it is considering it stretches from the ancient past to the distant post-apocalypse future. Major subjects range from science vs religion to gender roles and several levels of motherhood. On top of this you have all the different tribal houses and how they differ from each other and the history amongst them. I like how this sci-fi game is set in a real-world USA in the far future yet the tone is very much set within ancient Inca & native-american societies. The title of the game actually makes perfect sense in the end and the story also manages, against all odds, to create legitimacy for having armed robot dinosaurs.
+ Aloy is probably the best new game protagonist in years. We get to see her from birth through her youth which sets her on a distinct path. Already within the first half-an-hour there's tear-jerking material to witness and you start to root for her. To follow is a Great training montage as she rises to adulthood. She develops as a character throughout the game from being a bitter yet determined outcast to someone who uniquely sees and participates in a much bigger picture with a heartfelt emotional payoff in the end. She is perfectly voiced and she looks realistically rugged and well-trained in accordance to her skills with distinct triceps and veins showing and all her tools. She's considers most things cooly and in a pragmatic fashion though often expressed with a witty comment. Notice how she always makes her own quests. It's hard to not fall in love with her.
+ The most responsive gameplay controls yet in an open world game only challenged by MGS5. It has clear individual face buttons for every action like crouch, jump, and roll. If you sneak around and you need to jump or climb a bit it will automatically resume the crouched stance after. You need a quick roll or a long dive it only depends on how long you press the button. The bow action at first glance makes you think it's a sniper rifle replacement but you very soon discover how incredibly flexible it is and you end up doing moves like Legolas. Pull the bowstring all the way back for a steady longshot or gradually start tapping the trigger faster and faster the closer an enemy gets for more rapid yet uncontrolled shots. Load up your next shot with extra arrows ahead of taking the aim by tapping the shoulder button. Shoot while sliding, while balancing from a rope or from the back of a mount. You have different bow categories for different purposes and all those bows again have different types of arrows. The weapon wheel is genius and combines together three aspects in weapon selection, ammo selection and real-time crafting! Stealth is organic with bushes and the size of objects hiding your character instead of a rigid cover system. The game simply feels great to play and to control.
+ Lean RPG & hunting mechanics that strikes a great balance between the addictive chase for better stats and loot (without drowning you in it) and the need to have a highly responsive and directness in gameplay feel. The skill-tree is mostly ability driven and not stats-driven. The loot is like most RPG's post-World of Warcraft classified as common, rare, very rare etc. But unlike most RPG's the different loot within their specific category i.e Sharpshooter-bows actually don't have statistical/elemental base differences but rather they open up options by supporting a broader range of ammo types and having more slots for inserting Modifications. The latter component is what actually injects the weapon with specific stats and this component can be moved from gear to gear. Notice how the beasts in Horizon never drop gear but rather just modifications and crafting material. This you use to upgrade all aspects including a big focus directly on the inventory system itself with there being different pouches for different purposes. The crafting is actually really nicely interwoven into most aspects of the game.
+ Scanning enemies for weak points and analyzing those weak points ahead of real-time precision attacks is the action genre's answer to pen & paper statistical strategy. Fine aiming and bullet time is a big part of Horizon's combat and knowing how to strip your enemies of components in the fastest way possible. Similarly planning ahead with elemental traps and using special tools like the ropecaster to tie enemies down. Hack & convert enemy machines to have them fight beside you or to attack everything moving. Ultimately Horizon leans very much towards the ‘hunter' genre while striking a greater balance with shooters and RPG's.
+ I really like that the game re-sets the story to just before the final mission after the credits (while keeping your final mission xp intact). It's an elegant way to make it viable for players to enjoy the main story first or however they seem fit without having to tie-down the story in having to ‘continue the world' after the final cutscene. Similarly I really appreciate that the game has no difficulty-based trophy or any missable trophies. No matter how you choose to play you will eventually reach 100% given enough time.
+ The soundtrack is simply brilliant. ‘Prologue', ‘Years of Training' and ‘A Boon' are beautiful. ‘A Wanderer's Work', ‘A Resplendent Soil', ‘Across the Daybrink'... there are so many great tracks. And there's wonderful palette cleansers and unique scene setters in ‘Song to the Sun' and ‘Nora u Norawea'.
+ The graphics and technology is fantastic and mindblowing. More than anything the volume of content and not just how it stretches into the horizon but also how vertical everything is continues to stun me. The better looking open world games out there seem to be more flat in layout while Horizon has large mountains and hills and complex forest environments all over. The large amount of detail presented at any angle no matter where you look feels unprecedented. And somehow all of this is running at a locked 30fps with crystal clear image quality. The combination of sci-fi elements, naturalistic colors and colorful tribalism really makes this game shine in 4K HDR. The game has kept stunning me throughout the 65 hours of playtime I have spent with it.
+ The robot animals are an absolute triumph. They are in visuals, animation, sound and behavior just sublime. Their animalistic aspects make them more intimidating and interesting than your ordinary soul-less mechs and their modular nature make them super fun to try to de-construct in intense combat. Being robots they also have a skillset that goes far beyond animals with radar technologies, drone launchers, lasers, earthquakes, underground tunneling, shields... They are the perfect canvas to make a great franchise and gameplay opportunities around.
Horizon Zero Dawn is amongst the very best games Sony has been behind and in the same conversation as the original Gran Turismo and Demon's Souls. It's huge, meaty, polished-to-a-shine and full of spirit. Guerrilla Games has a clear line drawn for before-and-after.
The AMA thread
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=232115916#post232115916
You can post your question in their and than we can compile a handful of Questions for the developers to answer.
Some Great Summary,Appreciated.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=232115916#post232115916
You can post your question in their and than we can compile a handful of Questions for the developers to answer.
Some Great Summary,Appreciated.
HellforLeather
Member
So I think Im getting to the end of the game and I got a message saying to wrap up what Im doing before I start the mission
Is this really the end? Will I be able to go back and clean up the map and old missions after I finish out the main story?
Is this really the end? Will I be able to go back and clean up the map and old missions after I finish out the main story?
JadedWriter
Member
Where is Vanasha anyway and is she a superior waifu compared to Talanah?Vanasha
is there a sidequest/errand guide? im at 19 sidequests completed, I have 2 of them which are the power core and the hunters lodge one (which I wont do cause I hate those trials), I her there are 22 side quests so im missing one.
I have no idea how many errands there re tho, im t 12 (and 16 main missions while im at it).
Also, on the acitivities, Ive done all but there is a type that is still unknown, wtf is it?
I have no idea how many errands there re tho, im t 12 (and 16 main missions while im at it).
Also, on the acitivities, Ive done all but there is a type that is still unknown, wtf is it?
do you mean
Deep Secrets of the Earth
MegaSackman
Member
HellforLeather
Member
Unfortuantely Im not at my PS4 right now but
Its the mission when you get to Sunfall and Sylens says that you should be totally stocked up and have everything wrapped up before starting the mission
Yeah that's not the final mission. Its just a very long one that you can't exit from so the game warns you before starting it.
This is great!!
its from this gaffer
its from this gaffer
Yes i mentioned it yesterday haha, see my tweet
I have to say...nice shot but it is not my favorite one haha
Nothing to worry about. No quests or trophies can be missed in this game.
After the credits it will re-set the game to just prior to final mission while keeping the final-mission XP intact.
cjtiger300
Member
Is there any reason to keep all of these lens and hearts if I've bought all the weapons from the merchants? I'm tired of running out of space for resources.
Just sell them all. If you need a heart
You can buy them from a vendor in Meridian
No. Lenses are for blue stuff, hearts for purple. Make sure you aren't planning to buy duplicate weapons (can make setting up for a fight convenient) but otherwise sell'em
Not really. Most expensive purchases in the game requires Shards + rare component.
But most of those components can be bought (for a slightly high price admittedly) from a vendor in Meridian.
No reason to keep them if you already bought all purple outfits/weapons
cjtiger300
Member
Sweet, thanks guys!
MegaSackman
Member
Only going to quote what I have something to say:
- Regarding lipsync and stuff, they're not great but often good to serviceable, that was not my problem but I get it's not the best. I'll add that they need to improved some cinematics aspects of storytelling, most of all in epic scenes that felt off or tiny in comparison with the context, sometimes they want to give this feel of soldiers cheering or shouting and the sound and animations are bland, you notice that there's only two or three people or what should be a crowd is actually a group of five...
The scene in
the Sun Ring
- We totally needed more Redmaws and similar, when I joined the Lodge I thought there were going to be hunts in the game but no, just a couple of checklist quests.
There should be at least one special Stormbird, Behemot, Rockbreaker (plus others). There are quests for these machines but it would be great to have some with legendary status like Redmaw.
- Cauldrons are somehow disappointing, the first two felt great to me and I loved that they are important to the story but yeah,
only four and the last one was pretty lackluster considering I already fought with Thunderjaws left and right before that point.
I agree 100% with the rest.
I only have two questions and I doubt either will be answered there.
"have you been greenlit for a sequel"
"are you doing DLC"
as both seem like more E3 material.
Anyone? Would love to find out if I still have a ways to go.
LifeBrandRobot
Member
Would it be considered rude to bring up inventory problems?
Primethius
Banned
This is great!!
its from this gaffer
Damn, that's really cool.
MegaSackman
Member
When it comes to games like Fallout, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, he tends to listen to everything. He's just going through all branches and skipping them all. Anyway, looking forward to seeing what he says about the story and lore in the end.
I don't think it will be more than rude, when many will ask Guerrilla about impelenting Female Protagonist and Racial Diversity as some Social Agenda.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Quite a bit more. You are 3/4 through the game.
Still got a ways to go.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
While I love the game and it's certainly going to be a GOTY contender I have to admit that as the game get further along the game is becoming more frustrating than fun.
The enemies have gotten ridiculously relentless and my weapons do almost no damage. The scan tool doesn't always seem to be reliable either. Enemies may be ultra fast, always seem to land a hit and have crazy AOE attacks. It's just ridiculous when you get swarmed by tons of enemies. I had to drop the difficulty down to easy just because it got so tiresome dealing with ravagers and the bird enemies who just fly all over the place and reign hell. Even on easy it still takes a ton of hits to bring enemies down.
Anyone else feel this way?
The enemies have gotten ridiculously relentless and my weapons do almost no damage. The scan tool doesn't always seem to be reliable either. Enemies may be ultra fast, always seem to land a hit and have crazy AOE attacks. It's just ridiculous when you get swarmed by tons of enemies. I had to drop the difficulty down to easy just because it got so tiresome dealing with ravagers and the bird enemies who just fly all over the place and reign hell. Even on easy it still takes a ton of hits to bring enemies down.
Anyone else feel this way?
A skill that I would have benefited from investing in earlier is the ability to string additional arrows.
Yeah, 2x or 3x the damage but I ignored it initially because I thought I would rarely have time to add them once I aim down the sight but I didn't know it allowed this before taking aim though it makes sense when thinking for a second. Very powerful and actually really fun as you have to balance it with the frenetic action.
Elemental arrows and Ropecaster solves a lot of these problems.
Some people don't realise you have to fill a meter with a certain element before it goes into effect.
Freeze arrow enables 2x damage. Fire arrows are good DTS and ignites cannisters.
Ropes take enemies out of a fight so you can deal with the other ones.
Corruption is also very helpful as they will fight each other.
Yeah, 2x or 3x the damage but I ignored it initially because I thought I would rarely have time to add them once I aim down the sight but I didn't know it allowed this before taking aim though it makes sense when thinking for a second. Very powerful and actually really fun as you have to balance it with the frenetic action.
Elemental arrows and Ropecaster solves a lot of these problems.
Some people don't realise you have to fill a meter with a certain element before it goes into effect.
Freeze arrow enables 2x damage. Fire arrows are good DTS and ignites cannisters.
Ropes take enemies out of a fight so you can deal with the other ones.
Corruption is also very helpful as they will fight each other.
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