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So what would be a good FPS mouse for Team Fortress 2? I'd like one with extra buttons for running script macros in-game.
Just ordered a g700 with same day shipping, will try some d3 beta with it tonight >
I find myself in need of a new mouse, and I'm really overwhelmed. I've been using a Logitech M-UV55a for many, many years and I couldn't be happier with it. It's a fairly small mouse, but I have small hands so I've really enjoyed it. I was looking at the SteelSeries Kinzu, and while larger than my old mouse, it seems to be pretty close in size. It doesn't have side buttons, though, and it seems like the next step up, the Xai/Diablo 3 mouse, is a bit larger.
Are there any small-ish gaming mice with side buttons? Does anybody have any thoughts on the Kinzu in terms of durability and performance? I've tried to determine exactly what my grip is, and I guess I'm closer to "palm" than "claw."
Without wanting to derail the thread, has anyone seriously tried to use a trackball for gaming purposes? I'm seriously considering an M570 but want to know if anyone's tried this experiment first.
On another forum someone recommended the lachesis for the claw grip.
The Kinzu has a notoriously bad sensor. Steelseries recently released a Kinzu V2 and Kinzu V2 Pro which are much better, so if you want that mouse, don't get the original. I would recommend the CM Storm Spawn as another small mouse with side buttons (it's what I currently use). The Spawn is a wide mouse, but it's not very long, which gives it a unique feel among all the mice I've ever used. It's remarkably inexpensive for its build quality as well.
You can also consider the Zowie EC2 eVo, if you can find one. The eVo edition is a new one that just came out and probably isn't available everywhere. I've used the original EC2, and it's a decent mouse, but I'm not a big fan of the shape. The original has a different sensor that is perfectly good except for its relatively heavy prediction (which cannot be turned off).
I've been using the SteelSeries Diablo III mouse since none of the others that suited my preferences (a few Logitech ones, any of the Razer Nagas, SteelSeries Xai and Sensei) seemed like they would properly work on a Mac without a few headaches or taking a gamble with build quality.
It's soft-touch plastic, light-ish, and has a nice form factor. My hands are small, but it's still a full, comfortable grip. The clicks are satisfying and can be performed pretty low--if you claw style, you can still get full left and right clicks all the way down to either side of the CPI toggle button beneath the scroll wheel. Speaking of the wheel, there is no side-to-side clicking or scrolling (I still miss this), but regular scrolling feels great. It's nice and chunky (discrete, not smooth), and the middle click is sturdy. I love good middle clicks (weaned on an older IntelliMouse a long time ago), so I'm satisfied.
It still isn't fully functional from a software perspective for Macs. If you're demanding and using a Mac to game for some weird reason, there are two caveats: the CPI profile toggle button doesn't work (I don't really care about this, but it's weird that it is useless) and any polling rate above 125hz causes the pointer to teleport (I think this may not be a problem for Lion, but pointer movement is acceptably smooth on 125hz in Snow Leopard). That's it, though. Based on my needs, those two problems are negligible. Everything else seems to work as intended. Macros are fine (I did need to change browser back/forward defaults in the software to cmd+arrow), CPI adjustment is fine, and the buttons work. Good enough for me.
There are some horror stories of the firmware causing the mouse to brick while freezing, but I have no clue what those people are talking about. It could be a PC problem. So far, the SteelSeries Engine has only frozen once while I was changing some LED settings, but nothing bad happened after force quitting and reopening. Unfortunately, every single "gaming" mouse out there inevitably runs into some kind of issues, even if there are lucky people with perfect experiences who swear by certain brands or models. One harmless crash of the software while fiddling with settings seems innocuous enough.
I'm happy with it, but it's honestly overpriced and ultimately just a mouse. I'm a console gamer, though, and not a mouse fanatic, so YMMV.
Naga. I'll probably never switch to anything else. I agree with the others that Razer quality control and build quality is shoddy but to me there is nothing with the same feel layout wise and buttons to it. I've already had one die on me, I really shouldn't buy another when this one inevitably dies out on me but I think I'm too entrenched playing games with a Naga to switch to something with basically less than half as many buttons on it.
Basically I just wish Logitech had a real Naga clone of some sort.
Well, if you don't enjoy it, we know something's wrong with you
Edit: Just saw that you already bought a mouse, so no need for this postI find myself in need of a new mouse, and I'm really overwhelmed. I've been using a Logitech M-UV55a for many, many years and I couldn't be happier with it. It's a fairly small mouse, but I have small hands so I've really enjoyed it. I was looking at the SteelSeries Kinzu, and while larger than my old mouse, it seems to be pretty close in size. It doesn't have side buttons, though, and it seems like the next step up, the Xai/Diablo 3 mouse, is a bit larger.
Are there any small-ish gaming mice with side buttons? Does anybody have any thoughts on the Kinzu in terms of durability and performance? I've tried to determine exactly what my grip is, and I guess I'm closer to "palm" than "claw."
"What the hell.
PEOPLE DO THIS?"
It's not uncommon, yes.
I personally use the "finger grip" that is somewhat related. Instead of arching my fingers over like that, though, I simply only hold the mouse with my fingers instead of my palm.
GAF did not fail me, the G700 is a glorious gaming mouse. Finished BF3 on Hardcore with it. Loved having buttons for prone, crouch, reload, grenade and use.
Are there any sites to go for button maps for different games?
Sounds like what I do. My palm never touches the mouse. Basically using upper portions of my fingers, although it's in a relaxed position. Have no idea what people would call that style, but I've never had issues with a single gaming mouse (and I've used quite a few different ones).
My Logitech MX500 is still kicking, but i am thinking of getting a Logitech G400 for my next PC build, which is basically a direct descendant of the MX500. It is pretty simple, but it has enough buttons on it that it is enough for most games without becoming overly cumbersome.
Well, if you have a suggestion, I'd love to hear it. If I don't like the Spawn, I'll most likely return it and look for something else, so-Edit: Just saw that you already bought a mouse, so no need for this post
I tried to make a new thread about this to no avail, so i'll post my query here:
So my razer naga that I've had for 2-3 years is just about dead. The cursor stalls/sticks all the time, I've tried updating any software associated with it and still nothing. It had a run-in with some liquid candle wax at one point and was never quite the same, (don't ask) but it's really shit the bed now. Sometimes the cursor doesn't even move.
If repairable let me know, otherwise I'm looking for suggestions for a replacement. Currently thinking about the new Razer naga hex, it looks pretty sweet. Even when gaming I thought the 12 button grid was a little much for the buttons. Plus, they just came out with a red one and my case is red, plus I've got a good amount of red in my room. Aesthetically it would make a good fit.
So, does anyone have the new hex and would like to share their experiences? Or does anyone have different suggestions? I haven't used many different mice and would love some feedback from the hex or other mice.
Thanks pcgaf.
You can assign a key press (or macro) for each button - it's what I do since a lot of games don't support extra mouse buttons out of the box.GAF did not fail me, the G700 is a glorious gaming mouse. Finished BF3 on Hardcore with it. Loved having buttons for prone, crouch, reload, grenade and use.
Are there any sites to go for button maps for different games?
It's an upgrade to the legendary MX518.
I got G400 when my MX518 died last year, It's really the same,same size,shape/design and wight which is fantastic(G400/MX518 are best mice ever imho),but improved with more dpi and with a better wheel and better surface texture.
Exactly, when my 518 finally died I was offered a G500 as a replacement(since the 518 was around 60, the same as a g500) After looking at the cheaper G400 and realizing it was much closer to a 518,I asked them to send me it instead - it is just as good as the 518 ever was
Deathadder.
Does anyone else here feel that mice should be evolving differently? It seems like the solution to making a gaming mouse is to put as many buttons as possible on it, but I honestly feel that there's more to it than that. Any thoughts?
Bought a 518 at launch and it still works flawlessly, its precise, and feels great.
Can't go wrong with a 518.
Without wanting to derail the thread, has anyone seriously tried to use a trackball for gaming purposes? I'm seriously considering an M570 but want to know if anyone's tried this experiment first.
The future is capacitive touch surfaces. It's just more straight-forward. Just as we look at the command-line interface as archaic, our children will look at mice and keyboards as archaic.
Yeah, some do. Razers are for claw people.
What the hell.
PEOPLE DO THIS?
Well, when those surfaces can offer tactile feedback, perhaps. I know that there's stuff like that being developed, but I'm not sure when it'll become a suitable replacement for what we have.
I would say yes, but it really depends. If you only play now and then I don't see the point. Gaming mouses offer better grip, higher precision and more customization (not all). Over time it will make a difference.Do gaming mice make much of an impact over a regular mouse?
Do gaming mice make much of an impact over a regular mouse?