phosphor112
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PS4 Rumors , APU code named 'Liverpool' Radeon HD 7970 GPU Steamroller CPU 16GB Flash
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Whether you believe him or not, the least you can do is read.
Playing MGS via remote play OT me thinking about this. If you planned it upfront, you could reserve enough CPU/GPU to compress the video output and stream it to a Vita or tablet, so all ps4/720 games could be remote played.
There is still latency involved when you're talking about connecting a console and handheld via TCP/IP (802.11)
Even though this is still a rumour, what's with the ">50% longer memory latency for CPU/GPU than PC"?
I wondered the same thing & if it was meant to say it was less with the '>' ?
Wait what? I did read his post. I openly admit I dismissed the emulation part because it's not happening.
The least he could do is type a normal post that isn't convoluted and riddled with bolded lines and links.
That's what I was think as well. Otherwise, PS4 would have a terrible design since being embedded should yield greater savings on latency.
I'm still waiting for Proelite to divulge something new.
phosphor112
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What he posts are completely coherent. Whether you believe it or not is something else.
see where it says Extra Hardware
put 4 GB and I am happy.
Question is, will they though? I think it makes sense for the sake of multiplat parity and the fact that being one of the better divisions of Sony, it's best to invest in it given they are going to drag this tech for the next 6-8 years.
BD 50 ... hmmm ... not sure I like that.
see where it says Extra Hardware
Given it's a 6 or 8x, it would be smart to use BDXL for future 4k support.
How different is the tech when it comes to reading dual layer BD @6-8x as opposed to reading BDXL @ same speed?
gundamkyoukai
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That early spec sheet look good , up it to 4gb and most people should be happy.
We will get some nice games with that in a close box but like others said the ">50% longer memory latency for CPU/GPU than PC make little sense .
We will get some nice games with that in a close box but like others said the ">50% longer memory latency for CPU/GPU than PC make little sense .
deathkiller
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If it is real, the !!! are provably used to mark that you(the intended reader) should pay attention to that problem. Unified memory systems usually have higher latency, it wasn't a big deal for the XBox 360 so I wouldn't worry too much if it's true.
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No Sony hardware is going to be using DirectX, do people not understand what DX actually is?
First and foremost its an abstraction layer used to unify access across multiple hardware types. on a fixed platform like a console... not needed.
They'll just add PSGL extensions to cover the additional functionality.
Also, the misuse of ">" is very suspect.
First and foremost its an abstraction layer used to unify access across multiple hardware types. on a fixed platform like a console... not needed.
They'll just add PSGL extensions to cover the additional functionality.
Also, the misuse of ">" is very suspect.
The DX version number is used to give an impression of the features the card will have/has.
And yes, Sony uses a version of opengl
Also funny how I am sitting on a four core x86 AMD CPU at 3.2GHZ, phenom 2 x4 955. But I think they mean Bulldozer and beyond architechture.
Either Steamroller or Jaguar, depending on which direction the system is going now.
has anyone else besides the guy who's friend work at AMD said anything about the Jaguar switch?
I havent seen anything. I been looking.
jeff_rigby
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It's bogus
As you said 4 layer blu-ray drive will be in the PS4 for 4K. That it's not listed = bogus
DX bogus, latency bogus, No fast coherent L3 cache 60 meg or larger. GPUs and cheap branching bogus, CPUs branch easily, GPUs have a high setup latency so branching is expensive BOGUS!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPGPU said:
it says they are the 1st specs & not the final specs.
James Sawyer Ford
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The preferable solution is to have split banks of memory like what's featured in the PS3 and PC.
bgassassin
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It's not bogus.
phosphor112
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Do tell.
gundamkyoukai
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So were those the specs you were talking about ?
They seem okay with a few upgrades to tell the truth .
Gemüsepizza
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380 GB HDD? Where can you buy this lol? This seems like a completely random number, when there are mostly 160GB, 320 GB and 500GB drives around. Sony will not use a special design for their hdd, they will use a hdd which is widespread and cheap. And DX 11.5? Sony does not use DX. Regarding the Blu-ray drive: It is possible that early dev kits only have 50 GB Blu-ray drives. But the PS4 will almost certainly have a BD XL drive. They are cheap. You can get a BD XL drive right now for $100. They will be much cheaper in 2013.
Glorified G
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4 core Steamroller, 10X RSX performance, and 4 gb gddr5(hopefully)
Perfect generational leap. Can't ask for anything more.
Perfect generational leap. Can't ask for anything more.
bgassassin
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Like onQ123 said, they're the early target specs. They've been out since last year.
James Sawyer Ford
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Nice, those specs look pretty good. I think most people would be pretty satisfied with those specs + 4GB high speed RAM, or 2 GB high speed RAM + 4 GB lower speed RAM.
It appears that the only lacking area of the PS4 right now is RAM, and that's still TBD.
Glorified G
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What I'm hoping is that these specs were planned before ms decided to bump up their ram. If that ms leak doc is correct and ms planned to go with 4gb ddr4 a while back and increased it now to 6-8 or more, Sony hopefully will at least increase it their ram to 4 or more.
bgassassin
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I get the feeling they are set on sticking to a unified pool so they don't have to deal with two busses.
James Sawyer Ford
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Yeah I can't imagine a situation where Sony wouldn't counter. Especially when they're receiving feedback from devs working on the 720 that has more RAM (if this is the case).
They may not put as much RAM as Microsoft intends to, but I think they will at least get to 4 GB.
It'll be interesting to see what ends up being the better move, if there is 4 GB of DDR5 for Sony while MS has 8 GB of DDR3. I suspect the former would be better for graphics, while the latter would allow for more multitasking/social features.
I can't even begin to imagine what some of the 1st party devs at Sony can do with 10X the power of the PS3.
unless the Cell is really that magical & helped with the graphics that much that ND & PD won't be able to reach 10X the graphics of The Last of Us & GT5 without it there is going to be some amazing looking games coming out on the PS4 if they reach that 10X the PS3 goal.
Pretty much what I expect to happen. That scenario for both companies seems to be closely in line their strategies.
Dictator93
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see where it says Extra Hardware
I cannot take this seriously because it says DX 11.5
It's in quotes. I assume it's just an approximation to let devs know what kind of shader implementation will be in it.
phosphor112
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Possible placeholder parts?...well... likely?
it might be 380 GB available with 120 GB reserved for OS.
phosphor112
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Why would the OS need 120g of HDD space...?
bgassassin
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ERP, a (former?) developer and mod on B3D, made a recent post explaining this.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1653227&postcount=12899
Yeah, I don't want stop gaps. Anything less than DX 12 is a no buy from me.
Quick question, if there is an SSD for the OS would devs also be able to use that for caching? I'm hoping the OS is quick and has as little of an impact on game performance as possible, especially in regards to RAM.
Dear lord. You'll get DX 11.1 and you'll like it. lol
Because that's all there is.
Edit: phew! haha
Hard to tell on this forum sometimes. lol
RoboPlato said:
It's not even close to a gleam in the eye of Microsoft at this point. They're launching 11.1 with Win 8.
Does DX12 even exist?
MrBelmontvedere
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DDR3=slow as shit and terrible for graphics. GDDR5=much faster and allows much greater graphical capabilities. you only see DDR3 on cheap discount low low end GPUs.
of course, perhaps sony are cheaping out and going with DDR3. but 2GB GDDR5 is infinitely preferable to say 8GB DDR3, which isn't better for anything in any way.
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