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Terrell · Sep 17, 2012

pizzaroll said:
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That's not quotes. Japanese people wouldn't be confrontational and take their bile direct to Kamiya, they'd bury it in a message board he won't visit. Show me Japan's NeoGAF (which I've seen someone dig up in times past) and we'll see whether or not it's really any better.

Smiles and Cries · Sep 17, 2012

has it been asked on his twitter if TGS would have Bayo2?

I want to see this thing in motion now, this thread won't allow my intrest to die (╯︵╰,)

Forever · Sep 17, 2012

Terrell said:
That's not quotes. Japanese people wouldn't be confrontational and take their bile direct to Kamiya, they'd bury it in a message board he won't visit. Show me Japan's NeoGAF (which I've seen someone dig up in times past) and we'll see whether or not it's really any better.

Your best bet for finding something similar would probably on 2ch, though I'm not sure they have the same console war culture over there that we do.

Daschysta · Sep 17, 2012

Perhaps people in Japan don't have this ridiculous notion of the Wii U, as some "baby system".

They also aren't graphic crybabies, given their preference for handhelds. Afterall, Nintendo platforms have been dominate in Japan for quite a while, they've seen DQ become Ninty exclusive, MH become Ninty exclusive, doubt Bayonetta bothered them much, many were probably already going to get a Wii-U anyhow.

Muchi Muchi Pink · Sep 17, 2012

Retro_ said:
Didn't it pretty much sell equally in both territories

If you take EU and US as one: No. It sold the most in the US, then Europe.

Smiles and Cries said:
has it been asked on his twitter if TGS would have Bayo2?

Yes, severaly times. His answer was: Ninja.

Daschysta said:
Perhaps people in Japan don't have this ridiculous notion of the Wii U, as some "baby system".

Kamiya was also asked if people in japan see Nintendo as "kiddie", too. He said yes.

Forever said:
Your best bet for finding something similar would probably on 2ch, though I'm not sure they have the same console war culture over there that we do.

If it comes down to anime / Idols, they're even more stuipid. Can't say if it's the same with consoles, though.

Terrell · Sep 17, 2012

Forever said:
Your best bet for finding something similar would probably on 2ch, though I'm not sure they have the same console war culture over there that we do.

If I could navigate there myself, I wouldn't ask GAF to assist me and post some choice quotes.

And based on some of the ones I've read before, yeah, they've got console warriors there too, man.

Smiles and Cries · Sep 17, 2012

Terrell said:
If I could navigate there myself, I wouldn't ask GAF to assist me and post some choice quotes.

And based on some of the ones I've read before, yeah, they've got console warriors there too, man.

I don't really expect them to have had a melt down over Bayo2 as the amazing things we have seen from the west. Sure you'll find a few posts if you look for it but if Japan reacted we would have heard about it day 1 they can be just as passionate and crazier on issues

TDLink · Sep 17, 2012

This doesn't happen in Japan because they don't have many people over there who perpetuate middle school antics about Nintendo being "for kids" or having "kiddie systems" or Mario not being "hardcore" enough. They also care less about things looking the prettiest and more about things being quirky and fun (which are both two of Nintendo's key objectives, and that is honestly probably why). Nintendo caters primarily to a Japanese audience and their desires because they are a Japanese company. On the flip side most people in Japan don't like most western games. It's really a culture difference. They just typically aren't as rude and antagonistic about it. Death threats to Kamiya really are inexcusable and reflect poorly on the county as a whole.

But hey, Americans are well known as being self-entitled for a reason.

Vinci · Sep 17, 2012

TDLink said:
This doesn't happen in Japan because they don't have many people over there who perpetuate middle school antics about Nintendo being "for kids" or having "kiddie systems" or Mario not being "hardcore" enough. They also care less about things looking the prettiest and more about things being quirky and fun (which are both two of their key objectives, and that is honestly probably why). Nintendo caters primarily to a Japanese audience because they are a Japanese company. On the flip side most people in Japan don't like most western games. It's really a culture difference. They just typically aren't as rude and antagonistic about it.

But hey, Americans are well known as being self-entitled for a reason.

Your post was going along all well and good till you had to toss this shit in there.

TDLink · Sep 17, 2012

Vinci said:
Your post was going along all well and good till you had to toss this shit in there.

I should note that I say that as both a Canadian and American who travels internationally quite a bit. I feel I am pretty well aware of what most of the world thinks of America in general. Not everyone is like that (it's a generalization) but plenty definitely are and it is evidenced pretty frequently on this forum.

Smiles and Cries · Sep 17, 2012

according to some around here Japan is also Nintendo Land owning something like 70% of the market or something.

If you had your Monster Hunter + Dragon Quest + Pokemon on one platform would you complain that Bayonetta is joining them on the same shelf space?

ThatObviousUser · Sep 17, 2012

TDLink said:
This doesn't happen in Japan because they don't have many people over there who perpetuate middle school antics about Nintendo being "for kids" or having "kiddie systems" or Mario not being "hardcore" enough. They also care less about things looking the prettiest and more about things being quirky and fun (which are both two of Nintendo's key objectives, and that is honestly probably why). Nintendo caters primarily to a Japanese audience and their desires because they are a Japanese company. On the flip side most people in Japan don't like most western games. It's really a culture difference. They just typically aren't as rude and antagonistic about it. Death threats to Kamiya really are inexcusable and reflect poorly on the county as a whole.

But hey, Americans are well known as being self-entitled for a reason.

I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture etc. etc.

TDLink · Sep 17, 2012

Andrex said:
I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture etc. etc.

Not enough to be honest. I am not really an Otaku/into Japanese culture past video games (Well, and Gatchaman and Lupin III cause they are hilarious). I have a decent handful of Japanese friends though and a few relatives who live in Japan. But hey, this topic really isn't about me and proving my credentials to give my opinions.

Daschysta · Sep 17, 2012

Americans being perceived as arrogant and self-entitled is a commonly recurring theme worldwide, I've traveled quite a bit to various corners of the world, and it isn't difficult to pick up on.

apana · Sep 17, 2012

TDLink said:
This doesn't happen in Japan because they don't have many people over there who perpetuate middle school antics about Nintendo being "for kids" or having "kiddie systems" or Mario not being "hardcore" enough. They also care less about things looking the prettiest and more about things being quirky and fun (which are both two of Nintendo's key objectives, and that is honestly probably why). Nintendo caters primarily to a Japanese audience and their desires because they are a Japanese company. On the flip side most people in Japan don't like most western games. It's really a culture difference. They just typically aren't as rude and antagonistic about it. Death threats to Kamiya really are inexcusable and reflect poorly on the county as a whole.

But hey, Americans are well known as being self-entitled for a reason.

The West has been good to Nintendo, for a long while it looked like Nintendo was the black sheep in Japan whereas Sony and third parties were really the heart of the Japanese home console industry. It is only now because of the currency exchange situation that Nintendo needs to keep Japanese sales extra strong I think. Obviously though they are a Japanese company and they are oriented towards Japan but even then I have always seen them as striving to make games that are universally appealing.

TDLink · Sep 17, 2012

apana said:
The West has been good to Nintendo, for a long while it looked like Nintendo was the black sheep in Japan whereas Sony and third parties were really the heart of the Japanese home console industry. It is only now because of the currency exchange situation that Nintendo needs to keep Japanese sales extra strong I think. Obviously though they are a Japanese company and they are oriented towards Japan but even then I have always seen them as striving to make games that are universally appealing.

Oh absolutely. I strongly believe most of Nintendo's games can be enjoyed by anyone of any age of any culture. That is part of their MO I believe and it works very well in securing them sales. I think their Japanese roots and culture help to shape that vision and consistently deliver on that goal though. I lament the fact that some people decry their titles as childish or easy for having mass appeal or threaten game developers for wanting to work with them.

CaptNfantasy · Sep 17, 2012

TDLink said:
This doesn't happen in Japan because they don't have many people over there who perpetuate middle school antics about Nintendo being "for kids" or having "kiddie systems" or Mario not being "hardcore" enough. They also care less about things looking the prettiest and more about things being quirky and fun (which are both two of Nintendo's key objectives, and that is honestly probably why). Nintendo caters primarily to a Japanese audience and their desires because they are a Japanese company. On the flip side most people in Japan don't like most western games. It's really a culture difference. They just typically aren't as rude and antagonistic about it. Death threats to Kamiya really are inexcusable and reflect poorly on the county as a whole.

But hey, Americans are well known as being self-entitled for a reason.

I am from the US and i cant stand the general attitudes here. Getting on my nerves and choking me out like a non smoker stuck in an elevator with 10 guys puffing on cigars.

Vinci · Sep 17, 2012

TDLink said:
I should note that I say that as both a Canadian and American who travels internationally quite a bit. I feel I am pretty well aware of what most of the world thinks of America in general. Not everyone is like that (it's a generalization) but plenty definitely are and it is evidenced pretty frequently on this forum.

I'm more than aware of how the world perceives Americans. I've left the States on many occasions and lived in other countries as well. My point is that you made a great point about how cultural differences have led to the adoption of certain standards from one nation to the next, which is observant and intelligent. Then you toss in this mass generalization that brings your post down to a level of mediocrity it could have easily flown beyond.

TDLink · Sep 17, 2012

Vinci said:
I'm more than aware of how the world perceives Americans. I've left the States on many occasions and lived in other countries as well. My point is that you made a great point about how cultural differences have led to the adoption of certain standards from one nation to the next, which is observant and intelligent. Then you toss in this mass generalization that brings your post down to a level of mediocrity it could have easily flown beyond.

Well, I try to be observant and intelligent in all of my posts and I can see what you are saying, so point taken. Maybe I should have restrained myself from that pot shot at my fellow countrymen, especially when it is the acts of a few/a vocal minority. The death threat thing in particular just really disturbs me. But you're right, due to them I shouldn't feel embarrassed about the nation, just the few people who carry themselves that way. Unfortunately the rest of the world does perceive them as representative of the entire country and that is the sad truth I was trying to get across in that statement. I could have been less blunt though.

The good news is Bayonetta 2 is going to be an amazingly fun game with great creative vision that we will be able to play thanks to Nintendo. For that I couldn't be more thankful.

Vinci · Sep 17, 2012

TDLink said:
Well, I try to be observant and intelligent in all of my posts and I can see what you are saying, so point taken. Maybe I should have restrained myself from that pot shot at my fellow countrymen, especially when it is the acts of a few/a vocal minority. The death threat thing in particular just really disturbs me. But you're right, due to them I shouldn't feel embarrassed about the nation, just the few people who carry themselves that way. Unfortunately the rest of the world does perceive them as representative of the entire country and that is the sad truth I was trying to get across in that statement. I could have been less blunt though.

Well, here's a fact: If you were to look up my posts regarding the people who sent death threats due to the Bayo 2 announcement, you'd learn that I think they're fucking crazy.

No. I don't mean that in the loose sense, 'ha ha they so kooky' - they're nuts. Truly diseased individuals. As I've said many times about this game: If someone has an issue with what has happened, they should direct their ire towards Sony and MS for letting it happen in the first place. Those two companies were content to let Bayonetta 2 never exist. Nintendo stepped up and did something. Platinum Games is the beneficiary of this generous, albeit strategic, maneuver.

I don't know if every death threat came from an American, a Canadian, or a Brit. I don't care. It's easier to just say that anyone who would do that - and I've no illusions that the only crazy fucks capable of doing it are from my home country - is a lunatic in serious need of counseling.

cosmicblizzard · Sep 17, 2012

Vinci said:
I don't know if every death threat came from an American, a Canadian, or a Brit. I don't care. It's easier to just say that anyone who would do that - and I've no illusions that the only crazy fucks capable of doing it are from my home country - is a lunatic in serious need of counseling.

Or a troll.

Principate · Sep 17, 2012

cosmicblizzard said:
Or a troll.

Neh, that still makes them sick. You don't troll death threats, at least not with written words and written in an angry matter.

You can get away with spoken language as sacasm etc is easily discernible. It's like somone sends you a death threat in the post. You don't go eh that guy was probably kidding or trolling for a response. You say that person is a sick and deranged. (though in this case you'd probably call the police, since they know where you live).

Seraphis Cain · Sep 17, 2012

cosmicblizzard said:
Or a troll.

That's an extremely optimistic view of people on the internet. Or in general.

fly high ~ayunite~ · Sep 17, 2012

Just picked up Bayonetta360 for £5 in CEX this morning, curious to what all the excitement is about.

luffeN · Sep 17, 2012

fly high ~ayunite~ said:
Just picked up Bayonetta360 for £5 in CEX this morning, curious to what all the excitement is about.

Enjoy!

Lord Ghirahim · Sep 17, 2012

TDLink said:
This doesn't happen in Japan because they don't have many people over there who perpetuate middle school antics about Nintendo being "for kids" or having "kiddie systems" or Mario not being "hardcore" enough. They also care less about things looking the prettiest and more about things being quirky and fun (which are both two of Nintendo's key objectives, and that is honestly probably why). Nintendo caters primarily to a Japanese audience and their desires because they are a Japanese company. On the flip side most people in Japan don't like most western games. It's really a culture difference. They just typically aren't as rude and antagonistic about it. Death threats to Kamiya really are inexcusable and reflect poorly on the county as a whole.

But hey, Americans are well known as being self-entitled for a reason.

You need to be introduced to 2ch.
Or not.

cajunator · Sep 17, 2012

fly high ~ayunite~ said:
Just picked up Bayonetta360 for £5 in CEX this morning, curious to what all the excitement is about.

Its a very uniquely styled, well balanced, challenging, funny, sexy, and smart beatemup style game. I never got all that far in it, maybe a couple hours because I suck, but it was enough to know that its something special. You can tell that the creators put a lot of love into making it.

Mzo · Sep 17, 2012

It's Devil May Cry x100. The games are very similar in structure but Bayonetta steps up the game a few notches and has its own unique style. I wish there were more spiritual sequels like this and less actual sequels.

adamsapple · Sep 17, 2012

fly high ~ayunite~ said:
Just picked up Bayonetta360 for £5 in CEX this morning, curious to what all the excitement is about.

PREPARE TO HAVE YOUR EYEBALLS SUCKED INTO YOUR BRAIN BECAUSE OF THE AWESOME !!

but seriously, it's an amazing game.

Fugu · Sep 17, 2012

Andrex said:
I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture etc. etc.

It's interesting to watch Neogaf become a parody of itself.

SonicMegaDrive · Sep 17, 2012

Terrell said:
So, ummm.... surprised that I haven't seen any in here (but at 62/124 pages, there's a lot to sift through), but...

What's Japan's opinion on this news, exactly? I wanna see quotes and see if they're just as ridiculous as the stuff in here, or if they're laughing at how fucking ridiculous we are.

Do Japanese gamers behave as...self-entitled and whiny... as certain western gamers tend to?

ShockingAlberto · Sep 17, 2012

SonicMegaDrive said:
Do Japanese gamers behave as...self-entitled and whiny... as certain western gamers tend to?

Yes, but usually anonymously.

zroid · Sep 17, 2012

The 2ch reaction would probably be more enlightening

Mama Robotnik · Sep 17, 2012

Just worth adding that the infamous death threat tweet came from Yokohama, Japan:

https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status...6285810889027584&tw_e=details&tw_p=tweetembed

EDIT: Real charmer he is too, using homophobic hate language and threatening to murder people who question him on his earlier threats.

https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246482200864911360
https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246432165099884544
https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246429180990988288
https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246429078264098816
https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246479381780905984
https://twitter.com/mark_ceb/status/246391289703182336

He then refers to those calling him out on his abhorrent behavior as "fanboys". Isn't it illegal to threaten to kill someone via Twitter, by the way?

EDIT EDIT - he's lying, he's posting from a USA IP and lying in his personal info saying that he is from Japan.

LQX · Sep 17, 2012

Edit. looks like he is from the US.

Spieler Eins · Sep 17, 2012

TDLink said:
This doesn't happen in Japan because they don't have many people over there who perpetuate middle school antics about Nintendo being "for kids" or having "kiddie systems" or Mario not being "hardcore" enough. They also care less about things looking the prettiest and more about things being quirky and fun (which are both two of Nintendo's key objectives, and that is honestly probably why). Nintendo caters primarily to a Japanese audience and their desires because they are a Japanese company. On the flip side most people in Japan don't like most western games. It's really a culture difference. They just typically aren't as rude and antagonistic about it. Death threats to Kamiya really are inexcusable and reflect poorly on the county as a whole.

But hey, Americans are well known as being self-entitled for a reason.

What about these guys bombarding every Nintendo Dragon Quest game with 1 star troll reviews on Amazon?

SonicMegaDrive · Sep 17, 2012

Mama Robotnik said:
Just worth adding that the infamous death threat tweet came from Yokohama, Japan:

https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status...6285810889027584&tw_e=details&tw_p=tweetembed

EDIT: Real charmer he is too, using homophobic hate language and threatening to murder people who question him on his earlier threats.

https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246482200864911360
https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246432165099884544
https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246429180990988288
https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246429078264098816
https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246479381780905984
https://twitter.com/mark_ceb/status/246391289703182336

He then refers to those calling him out on his abhorrent behavior as "fanboys". Isn't it illegal to threaten to kill someone via Twitter, by the way?

It looks as though his IP came from the USA, or am I reading that incorrectly?

ari · Sep 17, 2012

Why do nerds like Japan so much? Real question? Anime and video games seem to go hand and hand for some reason.

When I was stationed in Japan, the American nerds couldn't get enough of that culture.

SonicMegaDrive · Sep 17, 2012

ari said:
Why do nerds like Japan so much? Real question? Anime and video games seem to go hand and hand for some reason.

Well, for a long time, video games and anime were aesthetically very similar, so it makes sense.

Mama Robotnik · Sep 17, 2012

SonicMegaDrive said:
It looks as though his IP came from the USA, or am I reading that incorrectly?

I was taking his "I live in Yokohama" profile info literally, didn't see the IP address data.

Hmm, you know assuming he isn't using a US proxy or something, I'm probably wrong and he's lying about living in Japan. Difficult to find out for definite without asking him though, and a combination of lacking a twitter account, and a dislike of being targeted with homophobic hate language and death threats, makes me hesitant.

SonicMegaDrive · Sep 17, 2012

Mama Robotnik said:
I was taking his "I live in Yokohama" profile info literally, didn't see the IP address data.

Hmm, you know, I'm probably wrong and he's lying about living in Japan.

Yeah. Just sounds like another self-entitled crybaby wanna-be Japanese nerd to me.

Boss Doggie · Sep 17, 2012

Sounds like someone from /v/

IceDoesntHelp · Sep 17, 2012

Mama Robotnik said:
He then refers to those calling him out on his abhorrent behavior as "fanboys". Isn't it illegal to threaten to kill someone via Twitter, by the way?

Isn't it illegal to say that, anywhere?

TDLink · Sep 17, 2012

Mama Robotnik said:
Just worth adding that the infamous death threat tweet came from Yokohama, Japan:

https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status...6285810889027584&tw_e=details&tw_p=tweetembed

EDIT: Real charmer he is too, using homophobic hate language and threatening to murder people who question him on his earlier threats.

https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246482200864911360
https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246432165099884544
https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246429180990988288
https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246429078264098816
https://twitter.com/CNBFTBGB/status/246479381780905984
https://twitter.com/mark_ceb/status/246391289703182336

He then refers to those calling him out on his abhorrent behavior as "fanboys". Isn't it illegal to threaten to kill someone via Twitter, by the way?

As others have pointed out he is from the US. There was this one too, which is even worse since it threatens an entire nation.

https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/247209898377637888

Sure, whoever it was almost certainly doesn't have nuclear capabilities but the fact that they would wish such a fate on a nation is ridiculously insensitive, even moreso to one that has had to deal with that exact situation in the past. I am glad Kamiya takes it in stride and/or doesn't take it seriously, but that doesn't excuse it.

Mama Robotnik · Sep 17, 2012

TDLink said:
As others have pointed out he is from the US. There was this one too, which is even worse since it threatens an entire nation.

https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/247209898377637888

Sure, whoever it was almost certainly doesn't have nuclear capabilities but the fact that they would wish such a fate on a nation is ridiculously insensitive, even moreso to one that has had to deal with that exact situation in the past. I am glad Kamiya takes it in stride and/or doesn't take it seriously, but that doesn't excuse it.

I've edited my post to reflect this.

What a shit this tweter is. Advocating genocide because Nintendo are publishing Bayonetta 2.

Forever · Sep 17, 2012

Stolen from the other thread:

olimpia84 · Sep 17, 2012

I don't have a twitter account and I don't know how the site works but can't you report profiles and be done with it?

ReiGun · Sep 17, 2012

olimpia84 said:
I don't have a twitter account and I don't know how the site works but can't you report profiles and be done with it?

You can only report for spam, and even then, it can forever for anything to happen.

Retro_ · Sep 17, 2012

So how bout that Bayonetta 2?

Still digging how the reveal trailer is a throwback to the original's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzHhPp_dGNU

Still thinking that Lumen enemy is a playable character

Wonder how long it'll be until we get more info. Game has jumped up as my most anticipated release

rvy · Sep 17, 2012

Forever said:
Stolen from the other thread:

Sakurai is a cute babe confirmed.

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