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Emily Rogers: Monster Games NOT making Diddy Kong Racing Wii U
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Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
First of all, they got roasted for that. They didn't get let off.
Second of all, context depends as well. If a website posts "According to a post on NeoGAF forums, Shigeru Miyamoto is directing Bulletstorm 2", they're certainly silly for posting it, but the attribution is there and there's distancing language. This, by the way, is basically the issue with Go Nintendo. RMC posts a lot of stuff, including stuff that there's no reason to believe, but to his absolute 100% credit he never, ever, ever misrepresents the source or certainty of his information, because he knows his reputation would suffer if he did. That's part of why so many people like him and his site, because he doesn't BS. It's why I still read his site, even if I roll my eyes at stuff I think is obviously fake.
If a website posts "CONFIRMED: MIYAMOTO WORKING FOR EPIC, BULLETSTORM 2 WIIU EXCLUSIVE BEING ANNOUNCED AT E3", they're not just silly for picking up on a GAF post as fact uncritically, they're being dishonest by manipulating the information, drawing unwarranted conclusions, and trying to increase their own profile by inflating the information. I would never read a site like that.
Likewise, if there's a rumour about Diddy Kong Racing Wii U and a website adds it to their games database as an effort-saving shortcut for later, that's not really responsible, but it's hardly the same as a front-page declaration that it's true.
Another part of journalistic standards is printing retractions. This doesn't mean erasing the evidence you were wrong, it means presenting the most accurate information to your readers and using editor's notes.
So, in taking your point about major sites, some context is required. Some majors sites are absolutely not credible and should be flushed down the toilet. Others are generally credible but cut corners on journalistic ethics. Others follow all the right rules and still make mistakes occasionally, and that's fine.
What do you mean "without any positive benefits or gains to it"? Are attention, fans, regular readers, opening doors to other industry sources, and building a portfolio not a positive benefit/gain anymore? Why do you think 1500 people follow her on Twitter?
Irrelevant. She is speaking to a public audience and continues to speak to a public audience. Even now, she is directly addressing GAF criticism.
Because there's a wide gulf between "Sources we frown upon, assess critically, critique when they're posted, and hold in low regard" and "sources on the very small list of sites that we actually block". What exactly is the problem with the status quo? Members can choose to post work from her. That work is analyzed both based on its content and based on the author's reputation. Some people will conclude that she does good work and is trustworthy, others will conclude the opposite. Both sides present evidence for their case. What's the problem?
Wasn't she the one who posted totally fake Wii U screens of Pikmin 3 and Endless Ocean around an E3 a couple yrs ago?
Also, it isn't right of her to attack Pale Gale or his rumors. Did he get some rumors wrong? Yes. But he has also been correct a number of times -- like PSABR. Hell, he asked GAF if he should discuss the Metroid X Starfox rumor because he wasn't sure of it himself and only shared because people asked. I believe Pale Gale more than her at the moment.
Gale --- Emily -- HipHopGamer when it comes to random rumors.
On topic, I never even heard of this rumor, so dismissing it is all well and good, I guess.
Also, it isn't right of her to attack Pale Gale or his rumors. Did he get some rumors wrong? Yes. But he has also been correct a number of times -- like PSABR. Hell, he asked GAF if he should discuss the Metroid X Starfox rumor because he wasn't sure of it himself and only shared because people asked. I believe Pale Gale more than her at the moment.
Gale --- Emily -- HipHopGamer when it comes to random rumors.
On topic, I never even heard of this rumor, so dismissing it is all well and good, I guess.
I say that Diddy Kong Racing wouldn't make any sense. It's sales would get cannibalized by Mario Kart really heavily, and Mario Kart U is set to be revealed and released in the near future. I can't see it making any sense, as a business decision.
Then again, businesses don't always follow the best business decision.
Then again, businesses don't always follow the best business decision.
lordfroakie
Member
Nice try EhoaVash, you wont be fooling anyone on gaf anymore. She wasnt even on irc nor talking to you. Stop spreading false info 
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
It's not true that someone that is followed by famous or reputable people are themselves reputable. Otherwise reputable sources cite VG Chartz all the time. This doesn't make people crazy, it just means that there's a lot of authority that comes with being known, whether or not it's earned or not.
A lot of them follow her because she does very earnest work in trying to talk to developers, and she's working on a particular sub-field where there's no one else. No one, and I mean no one, in professional gaming journalism cares about the eShop. Nintendolife similarly has a lot of awareness and high profile not because they're notably good, but because they just keep at it. Trying counts for a lot. That's also, by the way, why she has so many fans among message board posters--because she's someone who tries to do work in a field they're interested in that isn't otherwise well-served.
A more negative way of saying this would be "Fake it until you make it works pretty well", but that comes off as too negative. I'm not saying she's faking it. I'm saying she's someone who decided to try and threw herself at it and works hard--but also doesn't know some of the basic rules for conducting yourself when you do this stuff.
DKR did pretty well compared to MK64, but the 16 year gap really wouldn't help now.
gamergirly
Member
Emily wanted (us) to call EhoaVash out for lying. The IRC chat posts are FAKE
Aquamarine
Member
Like how Diddy Kong Racing's sales (4.4 million, Americas 11/24/97, Japan 11/21/97, Europe 11/21/97) got "cannibalized" by Mario Kart 64's sales (9 million, Americas 02/10/97, Japan 11/14/96, Europe 06/24/97)?
Yea.. no. I know for a fact that Emily hasn't said anything like this in the IRC's she's in.
I don't know why exactly you feel the need to spread lies about her though? What has she done to you?
Yea. You'd think a person double checks these things before starting spreading shit.
I doubt it.
GiantEnemyGoomba
Member
StreetsAhead
Member
Remember that time a guy came on the IRC and said there'd be an exclusive Platinum Game on Wii U right before E3 and everyone mocked them?
Aquamarine
Member
What's your point?
This is exactly the problem--people are too willing to accept and even forgive amateur garbage like this, purely because they don't see an alternative. Big fish, small pond, yada yada yada.
StreetsAhead
Member
Not everything was believed.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Should I make the thread or do you have dibs?
It would be more believable if Miyamoto announced Nalo.
Aquamarine
Member
Are you saying because there was a guy who got lucky on the IRC and made "a correct prediction," we should believe this kind of stuff?
Again, I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying in terms of journalistic integrity. I think the difference is that you're holding Emily Rogers to being a journalist as much as you would someone from any of the various sites listed. I don't, especially after things like the situation with Kotaku. Since then, I don't believe she has written anything for a blog or website. I don't consider tweeting to be equivalent to journalism.
I meant in regards to financial gain, unless somehow she is making money off of her Twitter followers that I'm not aware of. Surely those things you listed are positive benefits. Do you think she's doing any of this purely out of self interest?
There's nothing wrong with the status quo. My comment stemmed from the individuals in this thread focusing on criticizing the person instead of the information posted, including a moderator, which of course has been reverted.
Metallix87
Member
It's been a long time since then.
GiantEnemyGoomba
Member
LOL. He "got lucky" by predicting an exclusive Platinum game? Doesn't really matter though, he was most definitely an NoA worker.
Should I make the thread or do you have dibs?
Jokes on you, juniors can't make threads bro.
I do, absolutely.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Well if it's not their game... maybe it's Retro's!
But how does that fit into the Retro x Rockstar game?
But how does that fit into the Retro x Rockstar game?
Aquamarine
Member
Why is that so funny? If all he said was "There is going to be a Platinum Games Wii U exclusive," that gives us absolutely no evidence he was an insider AT ALL.
I could make random exclusive predictions all day--"There's going to be an exclusive Wii U Rockstar game!"--it doesn't actually mean I'm an insider.
GiantEnemyGoomba
Member
He didn't simply predict a Platinum game. He called it a WTF-y type game, which it obviously is, as well as saying that Pikmin 3 was basically an uprezzed Wii game with nicer textures and a very good DoF effect. He also stuck around for awhile and made it more obvious in his stance against any Nintendo bashing.
There's plenty of other evidence, but we're getting off-topic.
That's the joke! It's a joke that works on multiple levels!
I forgot I can't make threads
Aquamarine
Member
Okay.... "I predict Nintendo is going to announce an exclusive Rockstar game at E3. It's going to be WTF-y." That second part is based off of conjecture. Who wouldn't assume a Nintendo-exclusive Platinum game would be "WTF-y"?
It's related. The point is, we shouldn't trust these kind of people, no matter who they are, even if someone gets something right by chance once in a while.
StreetsAhead
Member
No. I'm saying not every rumor was believed by WUST posters or in the WUST threads, like the poster I responded to said.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
What I understood from the info in this thread,
Retro and Rockstar are working on an open world "Diddy Kong X Mario Kart"
Lol
Retro and Rockstar are working on an open world "Diddy Kong X Mario Kart"
Lol
Chie Satonaka
Member
It was an entirely different market for one thing. For two, Rare made it. And not Rare is in current Rare.
There's no real reason to make this game when everything that made it great can easily be transitioned into Mario Kart WiiU. I don't see DKR64 levels of success here, which is why I asked who this audience is who's been waiting for a sequel for the past 12 years.
evilromero
Member
Is it wrong that I want Monster to be making the next Mario Kart? They have continually impressed me.
oh no, I hope she doesnt "delete her twitter account" like she did a couple of months ago because she was called out on lying
Glorified G
Member
She makes Pachter look competent.I didn't think that was possible.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I'm loving that YouTube app for my 3DS Emily.
Oh man, if this headline came true, I can't even tell you how many Olympic medals I'd win for all the gymnastics I'd pull off flipping out in joy/terror.
EDIT: More the idea of Bulletstorm 2 happening with Nintendo support, I mean. Dick-tits aside, it's what I'd imagine a Nintendo-made FPS to be.
Then how do you explain "SMASH BROS. CREATOR MAKES NEW KID ICARUS" or "RETRO STUDIOS MAKES DONKEY KONG COUNTRY 4?"
Man E3 2010 was freaking incredible.
https://twitter.com/Emi1yRogers/status/298851218225254400
I have no idea if she knows what she is talking about
I have no idea if she knows what she is talking about
peanutbutterlatte
Member
In retrospect those do seem pretty crazy yeah. Though Kid Icarus was probably marred by the obsessive promises of IGN's Matt Cassamina. Seriously, I remember him looking pretty desperate whenever it came up.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
No offense but I would predicted that since they were supposed to show Retro's new game trailer last e3 but it got nixed at last minute.
Edited: EatChildren could be right.
. Mario Kart Wii U playable demo is confirmed for this e3 too.ViewtifulJC
Banned
That's basically been my stance on Emily Rogers for years now
Anyway...can't wait for that new DKC!
Aaron Strife
Banned
Man if Retro's next game is actually Mario Kart that would be the biggest troll. Not that they'd do a bad job, but...No offense but I would predicted that since they were supposed to show Retro's new game trailer last e3 but it got nixed at last minute.
Edited: EatChildren could be right.
