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Smash Bros Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread: Goodbye, Cherry-don
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It's interesting that they made a new game mechanic for boxes to slide down inclines, yet so few stages we've seen have any inclines to begin with. I hope that doesn't end up being SSBB's equivalent of the slippery floor mechanics in SSBM, which was another decently cool idea that only showed up in the Game and Watch level and on Fourside's UFO.
PkunkFury
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I wish they'd go back to SSB 64 level designs. Each stage was very unique, and the only one with the bogus walk of the screen mechanic was the Mario level. Melee was a huge step down in stage design since the levels were either simple flat platform arrangements, or unwieldy monstrosities. Brawl seems to be following Melee's lead.
It's nice that Skyworld at least has that extra platform hanging out on the bottom, but I don't know why anyone would go there unless they really need it to recover. I'd like to see more asymmetrical levels, where the area in which you are fighting really changes the way you play. I have hopes for the Fire Emblem castle, since it at least has a slope
yup, hopefully these two are brought back as legacy stages this time
It's nice that Skyworld at least has that extra platform hanging out on the bottom, but I don't know why anyone would go there unless they really need it to recover. I'd like to see more asymmetrical levels, where the area in which you are fighting really changes the way you play. I have hopes for the Fire Emblem castle, since it at least has a slope
Branduil said:
yup, hopefully these two are brought back as legacy stages this time
Oh, so the main platform crumbles too. This should be a fun level. Kind of like Yoshis level in SSB, where you could stand on the clouds and they disappear.
I agree that many of the stages are similar but Skyworld does not fall into that category. Every platform is destructible and when its destroyed is dependent on how many hits it has taken. You can't lump it together with Battlefield so easily. The way you play will be completely different.
Samus shoved the box.
I agree that many of the stages are similar but Skyworld does not fall into that category. Every platform is destructible and when its destroyed is dependent on how many hits it has taken. You can't lump it together with Battlefield so easily. The way you play will be completely different.
Jiggy37 said:
Samus shoved the box.
Haunted
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Cool update, after showing us a stage we've already seen, they'll show us a new one next time. 
I like the breaking mechanic, it looks like the platforms with a blue border are destructable, while those two small ones with a yellow border on the right will stay.
and don't worry about boring stages. You do realise we're talking about Sakurai and Smash Brothers here, right? He's got your back.
'bad' as in nobody wants to play with them in a round of 4 people coming together to have some fun. reasons for that could include: 'they're not cool', 'they're not interesting characters', 'I like that other character better', 'I never played the Ice Climber game and feel no connection with them' or any other reason, really.
9 out of 10 times when I play Smash with my friends is with random characters only, but when we played by choosing our characters, nobody wanted the Ice Climbers. I'm 100% with Speevy on this one.
I like the breaking mechanic, it looks like the platforms with a blue border are destructable, while those two small ones with a yellow border on the right will stay.
and don't worry about boring stages. You do realise we're talking about Sakurai and Smash Brothers here, right? He's got your back.
Not bad concerning their strength in the game, or 'tiers', or some shit like that.usea said:
'bad' as in nobody wants to play with them in a round of 4 people coming together to have some fun. reasons for that could include: 'they're not cool', 'they're not interesting characters', 'I like that other character better', 'I never played the Ice Climber game and feel no connection with them' or any other reason, really.
9 out of 10 times when I play Smash with my friends is with random characters only, but when we played by choosing our characters, nobody wanted the Ice Climbers. I'm 100% with Speevy on this one.
To me it looks like it's the platforms with clouds underneath them will be the breakable ones. That would mean the bottom right platform and the slopping platform stay.Haunted One said:I like the breaking mechanic, it looks like the platforms with a blue border are destructable, while those two small ones with a yellow border on the right will stay.
Haunted
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>_>BGBW said:
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I notice the ****ing colour of the borders, but not that there are goddamn clouds underneath some of them. :lol
Well, those clouds make me think that you can indeed break every platform. There has to be something people can stand on, so I thought some platforms would have to remain, but with those clouds in there, you can probably break 'em all.
Whenever the "homogenized stages" discussion comes up (and I do agree that the majority of the stages shown seem to be much too similar) people always mention Hyrule Castle and Big Blue. One is considered a much too big, complex, and partially flawed stage, and the other is an 'extreme' stage. There are great, non-homogenized stages that aren't over the top. The following stages really show what is lacking so far from SSB:B's selection:
Princess Peach's Castle - The tower in the center split the stage well, and the buttons threw in a randomness that wasn't overdone.
Great Bay - A big stage without being too big. The platforms were all fairly small, forcing more exact placement...once again, the turtle was a nice bit of randomness
Onett - This REALLY should have been the model for an Animal Crossing stage.
Brinstar - A platform stage with interest. The base platform isn't flat, and isn't always the safest place to be, the acid forces the fight into choke points, and the upper platforms have some movement.
Of course, there are the 'extreme stages' as well, things like Big Blue, Poke Floats, Brinstar Depths, and Rainbow Cruise.
Unfortunately, taking what they've shown so far, and taking into consideration the goal of the dev team to make the stages more 'fair', it seems like some of the more interesting stage designs are being eschewed in favor of platform stages with background flare. That said, I like this new stage, and hope the platforms break apart and return as quickly as this update suggests.
Oh, and just for the record keepers, of the 29 stages in Melee, over 2/3's offered more interest than the static "base platform with smaller platforms above" design. I'd be surprised if Brawl came close to this.
Princess Peach's Castle - The tower in the center split the stage well, and the buttons threw in a randomness that wasn't overdone.
Great Bay - A big stage without being too big. The platforms were all fairly small, forcing more exact placement...once again, the turtle was a nice bit of randomness
Onett - This REALLY should have been the model for an Animal Crossing stage.
Brinstar - A platform stage with interest. The base platform isn't flat, and isn't always the safest place to be, the acid forces the fight into choke points, and the upper platforms have some movement.
Of course, there are the 'extreme stages' as well, things like Big Blue, Poke Floats, Brinstar Depths, and Rainbow Cruise.
Unfortunately, taking what they've shown so far, and taking into consideration the goal of the dev team to make the stages more 'fair', it seems like some of the more interesting stage designs are being eschewed in favor of platform stages with background flare. That said, I like this new stage, and hope the platforms break apart and return as quickly as this update suggests.
Oh, and just for the record keepers, of the 29 stages in Melee, over 2/3's offered more interest than the static "base platform with smaller platforms above" design. I'd be surprised if Brawl came close to this.
rollingstart
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AMUSIX said:
I was going to use some of the ones a lot of the ones you said (like Onett, because I really liked that stage), but I used extreme examples to illustrate the point more.
PkunkFury said:
I think SSM64 in general had more personality in the entire game, from the stages really being a good representation of the games to minor things like having stage entrances.
and just thinking about it right now, the one update I want to see most of all is about the story mode of brawl, I think it was awesome in Melee and they could really expand on it now and even make it coop.
NeonZ
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Considering Pit's new design, I think Sakurai has already learned his lesson regarding bringing back forgotten characters. I wouldn't be surprised if they got a Pit-style make over, though I could also see the IC not receiving much focus due to their unpopularity, receiving only slightly different cloth textures.
I so hope this game has oodles of challenges. The 51 in melee were a fantastic addition, and I loved them to pieces. More, more, more!
Adventure mode was pretty dull though. Neat at first, but after a few runs it grew really tiresome.
Also you people are fekking nuts for calling out Hyrule Castle. By far my favorite stage in SSBM, this game deserves a few more similarly large layouts.
Adventure mode was pretty dull though. Neat at first, but after a few runs it grew really tiresome.
Also you people are fekking nuts for calling out Hyrule Castle. By far my favorite stage in SSBM, this game deserves a few more similarly large layouts.
NeonZ
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I really don't see from where this attitude is coming... The only basic stages revealed up to now are: Battlefield, Yoshi's Island, Lylat Cruise and Smashville.
Delfino Plaza, Rumble Falls, Bridge of Eldin and Skyworld don't really follow that structure. I suppose Skyworld is composed by small floating platforms too, but the only permanent one is that small one in the lower right, not the bigger ones.
With SSBM, they only revealed the second stage of each game series, which generally had more hazards or experimental designs, close to the game's release. Comparing Brawl's officially revealed ones with the first revealed of SSBM, I don't think there's any significant problem with the variation. The main problem is the lack of revealed stages...
Basic SSBM stages revealed early: Final destination, Battlefield, Dream's fountain, Yoshi story, Zebes, Pokemon Stadium. (6)
Others revealed early: Peach's castle, Great Bay, Great Fox(1), Onnet, Icicle mountain, Mute City. (6)
underfooter
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I expect Brawl to have close to 40 or 50 levels, so I'm not going to run off crying that some of them are too basic.
JohnTinker
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underfooter said:
That many? Might be a bit excessive?
Anyway, whats with these rumblings I keep hearing about tonight being a "significant" update? Was this ever verifiable?
I suppose we'll find out tonight then
flipping_heck
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JohnTinker said:
you don't want to mention the significant news, it will cause confusion amongst the ranks here.
Anyways, why are people complaining about the level designs? Thsi is SSB/Sakurai we're talking about, theres bound to be crazier and less standard levels than the ones shown so far.
For dynamic value, out of the ones shown, Delphino Plaza and 'most likely' Pokemon Stadium will offer some dynamic level structure that some of you guys crave.
WastingPenguins said:
Then I don't think he'd have said to show him 100 videos of pro players using them to prove him wrong. I personally find the ICs to be awesome to watch and play. I just can't desynch very well so I just use them in free-for-alls where wavedash+downsmash is godly with them :lol
underfooter said:
;; Yeah... Ok.Yeah I don't see how 40 stages is out of the question. Hell, they may add a lot of past stages, giving us 50 or 60 -- how awesome would that be?
And I suppose we are going a little overboard on the "omgz all stages will be boring!!1" speculation. :lol Sakurai has to mete out these updates for the next 4 months, after all.
And I suppose we are going a little overboard on the "omgz all stages will be boring!!1" speculation. :lol Sakurai has to mete out these updates for the next 4 months, after all.
bigmakstudios
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schuelma said:
holy crap. it already at #1 in videogames.
Joe Molotov
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I'm hoping for a decent preorder bonus from Gamestop.
The order of these updates is so strange to me. We still have 4 months worth of daily weekday updates to go, and yet Sakurai reveals two stages in the same week? If he is only going to reveal the stuff that is not unlockable before the game comes out, it seems like he is going to run out of interesting updates soon.
You'd think he'd have spaced out characters and stages more... in a few weeks we're going to have a few months straight of just pokemon and 'how to play' updates? :lol Will be interesting to see. Maybe Sakurai has a master plan!
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Also, quick question... Does anyone know off the top of their head... did the "Classc" stages that appear in melee get a graphical update, or were they identical to how they appeared in SSB64? I can't seem to remember... I'm mainly wondering because I'm dreaming of the original Hyrule Castle n64 stage making an appearence in Brawl, and it would rock to see it get a graphical update.
You'd think he'd have spaced out characters and stages more... in a few weeks we're going to have a few months straight of just pokemon and 'how to play' updates? :lol Will be interesting to see. Maybe Sakurai has a master plan!
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Also, quick question... Does anyone know off the top of their head... did the "Classc" stages that appear in melee get a graphical update, or were they identical to how they appeared in SSB64? I can't seem to remember... I'm mainly wondering because I'm dreaming of the original Hyrule Castle n64 stage making an appearence in Brawl, and it would rock to see it get a graphical update.
Big Icarus
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You'll never see those clouds when you actually play though.big_z said:
they should have done multiple layers on the bottom clouds... kinda looks like melted icecream more than coulds.
They were not graphically updated. Maybe just an increase in resolution and they looked sharper because of the engine, but all the assets were the same.MrCheez said:Also, quick question... Does anyone know off the top of their head... did the "Classc" stages that appear in melee get a graphical update, or were they identical to how they appeared in SSB64? I can't seem to remember... I'm mainly wondering because I'm dreaming of the original Hyrule Castle n64 stage making an appearence in Brawl, and it would rock to see it get a graphical update.
Honestly hyrule 64 would be a really terrible stage. They've come a long way in stage design.
Joe Molotov
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MrCheez said:Also, quick question... Does anyone know off the top of their head... did the "Classc" stages that appear in melee get a graphical update, or were they identical to how they appeared in SSB64? I can't seem to remember... I'm mainly wondering because I'm dreaming of the original Hyrule Castle n64 stage making an appearence in Brawl, and it would rock to see it get a graphical update.
Yeah, they were graphically updated to fit in with the new SSBM levels.
usea said:
Thanks for the answer!
It's been a long time since I played it, so maybe it wouldn't hold up as well these days, but my friends and I loved the crap out of that stage. o.o Plus, if they are going to add classic stages anyway, it seems like the obvious choice. I'm still surprised it wasn't included in Melee.
Lé Blade Runner
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I like the new stage. Looks... Dangerous, and interesting. Oh, and beautiful, too.
Probably for the same reason they won't include a poor online mode, or 125 extra half-finished characters. Nintendo would rather give you a basket of 3 shiny apples than 3 shiny apples and 4 shitty ones. I'm with you, I'd prefer the second basket, but I think we're in the extreme minority.Branduil said:
I'm glad I don't know you offline. I hate people who get pissed off easily. They make me so angry I just start breaking things. You probably beat your children/girlfriend/boyfriend/little sister/neighbor's cat.moku said:
why do people still assume theres no online in SSBB?
Its still a ways off and the TGS show is in between (I think) so isnt it still possible that they are leaving it as a surprise or something? Or did they outright say there isnt one? (not a deal breaker if it isnt but it would be nice for fans)
Its still a ways off and the TGS show is in between (I think) so isnt it still possible that they are leaving it as a surprise or something? Or did they outright say there isnt one? (not a deal breaker if it isnt but it would be nice for fans)
MasterMFauli
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Innotech said:
Because it´s Nintendo.
In 9 out of 10 cases Nintendo disappoints you (in the sense of delivering only the minimum).
There´s only rare times where Nintendo drops the Megaton (though when they do, they do it right).
I wont get my hopes up for online-SSBB.
Mithos Yggdrasill
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MasterMFauli said:
I think the "big" announcement that Reggie hinted for September will be Smash bros. Online. In an interview, he almost said it !
Christopher
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I don't really care if it's online anymore, from playing fighting games online people really do make that shit unfun.
MasterMFauli
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Mithos Yggdrasill said:
Nah, i bet Reggie´s mentioned big announcment will be playable Ridley.
MasterMFauli said:
That's not the case here and you know it. Sakurai was given a whole freakin' studio and office for the sole reason to create an online Smash Bros. He's got a ton of talented people, and probably unlimited budget and I'm sure Iwata will let him delay it if it's not up to standards like TP and Metroid. It's either going to be in there or it's just not possible to get it online under the standards that they want.
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