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The Formula 1 2013 Season |OT| End of the Webber Era
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We can only hope!
Don't be so pessimistic.
Silverstone went pretty well. Lucky with the win, but they were better than quite a few other teams.
hehehe
Pizza Luigi
Member
Those guys
Going to be back of the grid for him unless they have a really good excuse.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Nice to see Hamilton on pole after Red Bull being in full-on smug mode this weekend, but I think we all know what to expect for the race.
Only other point of interest of qualifying was how badly the BBC handled the Sauber story in their highlights.
Only other point of interest of qualifying was how badly the BBC handled the Sauber story in their highlights.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
Will that make them go and check Kimi's car too?
brotkasten
Member
What's Ferrari's excuse going to be this year? Fernando is going to end,up 2nd once again at the end of the year.
They already did.
"It was confirmed by physical examination that the floor stay on car #8 was identical to that on car #7 which was intact."
If Ferrari do not give him a season winning car next year, damn. Who would have thought Alonso would go without a championship at Ferrari. Wasting his best years.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
They started complaining about their wind tunnel again this week. True story.
"Fernando, sorry, we screwed up our windtunnel during repairs for 3rd year in a row. You will get a winning car in 2014"
fast forward one year
10 races, 5 DNFs due to malfunctions
Nah. Kimi's got 2nd.
Man, I hope they fixed whatever's wrong with Webber's car. At this point it's beyond a fucking joke. If it's due to his build, how could they have not figured that out already? Third luckless season where he's been plagued by reliability issues (compared to his teammate) and it's still causing grief. SMH.
Like I said earlier, all this shit happening makes me glad he's getting out.
Hah impossible. Lotus will keep screwing up the strategy every other race.
Cyborgmatt
Member
If Merc ever figure out how to conserve the tires, they're gonna be a menace. That car is quick. Lewis with another brilliant lap. I feel good about the prospect for next year's car. I just want to see Lewis continue to improve his comfort in the car and team. He's gotta be feeling really confident given his latest stretch of races compared to Nico, and given how bad McLaren has been. He'd be in the championship hunt if not for some misfortune. Good stuff. Hopefully he can bag a win tomorrow. PEACE.
We don't need tyres that are this shit. I've been saying this since 2010, we needed tyres that were at the minimum half as durable as the Bridgestone's, but instead we got tyres that couldn't even dream of being as durable as those.
The tyres don't make it interesting. DRS makes it interesting. Shitty tyres in combination with DRS is overkill. One or the other please, and DRS is the much better option.
You can rest assured that's never going to happen again.
This would go counter to what the FIA wanted in the first place. The speed of the cars are governed most by tires, since that's the only element that degrades. The tire wars lead to better and better tires, which increased cornering speeds. There's no way for the FIA to control the tires if there's a tire war, and so we'd end up seeing lap times drop severely. I don't think this is the going to be the case. The FIA wants to reduce speeds for safety.
Of course, maybe the speed on those V6s will be low enough that the FIA thinks they can move away from the control tire. I don't mind that, but the control tire has resulted in some of the best on-track action that we've ever seen. I don't know if I'm ready to part with that. PEACE.
Psychotext
Member
Have just been reading all the "Red Bull" are sabotaging Webber's car comments over at Planet F1. Always good for a laugh. 
Formula One: Mark Webber slams Red Bull for 'stupid' car problems after KERS failure in Hungary
Could not disagree more. DRS makes me yawn, the tyres are the same for everyone, and don't do anything one way or the other to my interest.
It is ridiculous how often they fuck up KERS in that team.
Could not disagree more. DRS makes me yawn, the tyres are the same for everyone, and don't do anything one way or the other to my interest.
Omiee said:
Dead Man said:
2012 Race Summary
At the end of the formation lap, Michael Schumacher stopped in the 19th place grid position, instead of 17th where he had qualified. Yellow lights were flashed as a result, with the intention of waving the cars through for a second formation lap. However, Schumacher switched his car off believing that the race was being delayed. The cars were waved through for the second formation lap, and Schumacher had to be pushed into the pits for his car to be restarted. Once his car was restarted, he failed to activate the pit speed limiter and exceeded the pit speed limit while driving to the end of the pits for the start of the race.
At the start of the race, Sebastian Vettel attempted to pass Roman Grosjean in turn one, but was blocked. The loss of momentum allowed Jenson Button to pull alongside Vettel through turn two and then pass him in turn three. Mark Webber, starting on medium compound tires, made a great start to jump from 11th to 7th by turn two. Pastor Maldonado made a poor start and fell from 8th to 12th position.
Schumacher pitted on lap two to switch to medium compound tires. He then served a drive-though penalty on lap five for speeding in the pit lane at the start. Kimi Räikkönen initially had no KERS and was stuck behind Fernando Alonso. Roman Grosjean began to catch up with Lewis Hamilton towards the end of the first stint. Hamilton pitted first on lap 19, taking a second longer than normal due to a wheel gun problem, but Grosjean's pit stop on the next lap was even slower, leaving the running order the same.
Roman Grosjean was finally able to catch Lewis Hamilton on lap 24, only to lose time due to mistakes, and then catch up again by lap 30. Kimi Räikkönen's KERS had recovered by this point, allowing him to make up ground. Jenson Button pitted from 3rd position on lap 35 and got stuck behind Bruno Senna, who was up to 7th running a long stint. Button was unable to pass Senna until Senna pitted on lap 43. This allowed Sebastian Vettel to come out ahead of Button when he pitted on lap 39.
Kimi Räikkönen began turning out blistering lap times in clear air. He pitted for the second time on lap 46, and came out of the pits alongside his teammate Roman Grosjean. Räikkönen pushed Grosjean to the edge of the track in turn 1, Grosjean ran wide, and Räikkönen took second place. Räikkönen then began to reel in Lewis Hamilton, but was unable to pass. Pastor Maldonado slid into the side of Paul di Resta on lap 48, earning Maldonado a drive-through penalty.
In the closing laps of the race, Red Bull pitted both of their drivers. Mark Webber fell from fifth to eighth, where he remained until the end of the race. Sebastian Vettel remained in fourth, and by the last lap was able to catch back up to Roman Grosjean on fresher tires, but was unable to pass. Narain Karthikeyan pulled off the track and retired on lap 65 due to suspension damage. The final lap of the race was on lap 69 instead of 70 due to the extra formation lap.
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Laps
70
Circuit length4.381 km (2.722 mi)
Race length306.663 km (190.560 mi)
Lap RecordMichael Schumacher - Ferrari - 2004 - 1:19.071
Most Wins (Drivers)Michael Schumacher (4)
Most Wins (Constructors)McLaren (11)
Previous Winners & Pole Positions
2012 - Winner: Lewis Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes
Pole: Lewis Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes - 1:20.953
2011 - Winner: Jenson Button - McLaren MercedesPole: Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull Renault - 1:19.815
2010 - Winner: Mark Webber - Red Bull RenaultPole: Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull Renault - 1:18.773
2009 - Winner: Lewis Hamilton - McLaren MercedesPole: Fernando Alonso - Renault - 1:21.569
2008 - Winner: Heikki Kovalainen - McLaren MercedesPole: Lewis Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes - 1:20.899
2007 - Winner: Lewis Hamilton - McLaren MercedesPole: Lewis Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes - 1:19.781
2006 - Winner: Jenson Button - HondaPole: Kimi Räikkönen - McLaren Mercedes - 1:91.599
2005 - Winner: Kimi Räikkönen - McLaren MercedesPole: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari - 1:19.882
Video Highlights
1989 Hungarian Grand Prix Part 1
1989 Hungarian Grand Prix Part 2
Changes from 2012
-A new debris fence has been installed, on the left behind the guardrail on the pit straight.
-The kerbs at the exit of Turns 3, 8 and 9 have been provided with a drainage system for water that may accumulate in surface depressions.
GP Facts
-Michael Schumacher has won the race more times than any other driver, with four victories to his credit. Ayrton Senna is next on the list with three wins, a total matched by current Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton.
-The Hungaroring was the scene of Fernando Alonsos first grand prix win, in 2003. At the time, it made the Spaniard F1s youngest winner, at 22 years and 26 days. Sebastian Vettel beat his record five years later. The German was just 21 years and 73 days old when he won the 2008 Italian GP for Toro Rosso.
-Jenson Buttons march to his first win from 14th on grid at the rain-hit 2006 race represents the biggest climb from starting position to top step of the podium. Button is followed in that regard by Nigel Mansell, who scored victory from 12th on the grid in 1989. The two Britons are the only drivers in the history of the race to win from beyond the first two rows of the grid.
-Damon Hill also scored his maiden win in Hungary, racing for Williams in 1993. He was the first son of a world champion to win a grand prix. He went on to take 21 further wins and the 1996 title. The 1993 race also saw Riccardo Patrese score the final podium finish of his 257-race career.
-Lewis Hamiltons 2009 win for McLaren was the first F1 victory for a car equipped with a Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS).
-The F1 Drivers Championship has twice been won at the Hungaroring. Mansell, driving for Williams, won the 1992 championship at the Hungarian GP, the 11th race of a 16-race season, while Michael Schumacher won his fourth world title here in 2001 at the 13th race of a 17-race season.
-Despite the Hungaroring being a tough track on which to overtake, pole position isnt crucial. Since 2005, the man starting at the front has won just twice Hamilton, in 07 and 12.
Drivers Championship Standings
Constructors Championship Standings
Fantasy Championship Standings
It really is beyond a fucking joke. Pretty sure I'm just going to skip the race this weekend (first time this year, too).
I can't think of another *good* driver in recent history that has gone through so much shit. Or maybe there's been heaps and I'm just a little too one-eyed
RukusProvider
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It really is beyond a fucking joke. Pretty sure I'm just going to skip the race this weekend (first time this year, too).
I can't think of another *good* driver in recent history that has gone through so much shit. Or maybe there's been heaps and I'm just a little too one-eyed
Kimi at mclaren
Dutch Gronk
Banned
'Wind tunnel results are conflicting with real life results'
'We will need to work on qualifying more next year'
Then they re-sign Massa, change nothing about the windtunnel, and do jack shit about qualifying and just pray Alonso pulls even more magic and unicorns out of his ass.
Next year will be the year!
FootballFan
Member
Let's hope for an exciting race. Would love for Vettel to finish outside of the points, but that is a dream.
Prediction:
1st - Vettel...Ugh
2nd - Alonso
3rd - Hamilton
Webber to suffer engine failure on lap 52, Rosberg to lose 1 tyre on lap 40 and Massa to avoid making contact with another vehicle.
Prediction:
1st - Vettel...Ugh
2nd - Alonso
3rd - Hamilton
Webber to suffer engine failure on lap 52, Rosberg to lose 1 tyre on lap 40 and Massa to avoid making contact with another vehicle.
fu3lfr3nzy
Member
You're too generous with Hamilton at 3rd. He'll drop down the pack due to the Merc roasting the rear tires, especially how hot the race will be today.
Webbers KERS will fail again, and a pit crew member will jam his gun for the 3884382882838393th time.
1. Omiee
2. Kimi
3. Alonso
On the sports highlights on the news here in Australia, they reported Webber's 10th qualifying position as a result of him having "performed poorly". Not a single mention of any mechanical issues... even in passing. Fuck that shits me.
They got it working?!?
Now this would be crazy to see.
Potential for Hungarian GP to be fascinating. One team's simulation last night had Webber winning from 10th, by starting on prime tyres https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/361413650910691328
Potential for Hungarian GP to be fascinating. One team's simulation last night had Webber winning from 10th, by starting on prime tyres https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/361413650910691328
It would be great to see but it relies on him making a good clean start of the line.
Going to be 38F for ther race, pure hell for the drivers and the cars. We could see KERS and other failures from the cars during the tough 70 lap race.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Red Bull's own simulation had him delivering tea and coffees.
Probably because the 'reporter' just looked at the grid positions, did a voice over, and the editor put it over some footage (more than likely Ricciardo)