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Smash Bros Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread: Goodbye, Cherry-don
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Ezduo said:
Looks like PK Flash. Hopefully it will operate differently, though. We must have Ness AND Lucas!
CreatureX3
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Mario has a Luigi costume, Link has a Dark Link costume, maybe Lucas has a Ness costume?Iam Canadian said:
CreatureX3
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Woah there, I never said Luigi or Ness were out. I only said maybe Lucas also has a Ness costume.Milabrega said:
Characters falling at a drastically different speeds for any significant amount of time means some will probably die off of the bottom or top. You could get around that, but honestly I'd much rather the fall not totally interrupt fighting, I'm sure after like the 10th time or something it would get very annoying falling all the time. I'd much rather the transition not screw up the gameplay just for the novelty effect.MrCheez said:Everything about this trailer looks awesome, except...
What the hell is up with Castle Siege!? I know it was brought up the other day, but the transition between 'tiers' is so lame.
Testicular Sound Express
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what buttons on the wiimote and nunchuck are pressure sensitive? If all are not the jump button would have to be on the ones that are. Without it you won't be able to short hop.
Raging Spaniard
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You know, maybe theres a speedline transition on Castle Siege because the game isnt done, I mean yeah I know, crazy talk...
AndoCalrissian
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How is there not more footage from this event?
NakedCosmonaut
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Lucas has the 'Rope Snake' from Mother 3
That's Duster in the screenshot, I can't remember if it was actually used by Lucas in the game.
That's Duster in the screenshot, I can't remember if it was actually used by Lucas in the game.
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Testicular Sound Express said:
That's not how short hopping works.
Fact: Jump durations are determined by how long you hold the jump button, not how hard you press them.
Testicular Sound Express said:
It's based on how long you hold the jump button, not how hard. It's easy to mix up. Just remember that you could short hop even in Super Mario Bros. on the NES so it doesn't involve any advanced technology in the controllers.
AndoCalrissian said:
Each site can only put up 5 minutes of footage.
SuperAngelo64
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There's a NDA for Smash?
When does that shit end?
When does that shit end?
CreatureX3
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Nice find. We really need Mother 3 released in some sort of Earthbound DS compilation game.NakedCosmonaut said:Lucas has the 'Rope Snake' from Mother 3
That's Duster in the screenshot, I can't remember if it was actually used by Lucas in the game.
Well that sux. Hopefully they can put up more footage soon.Firestorm said:
Would love to believe that, but more and more it smacks of the "really cool stuff happening in the back ground that has no effect on gameplay" trend in the stages. With all the focus on aerial battles, I'm surprised that the characters DON'T fight in a freefall during the Castle Seige transitions.Raging Spaniard said:
However, there is one bit that supports the 'not done yet' theory, and that is the third transition (from underground back up to the newly formed castle). It makes absolutely no sense, and the transition is identical to the others, suggesting that it's a placeholder from some 'blast the combatants back up' transition (volcanic?).
I think that believing the stage transitions to be placeholders this late in development is just as absurd as believing the mp3s on the site are placeholders until the orchestra is recorded.AMUSIX said:
It's like quotes I see when people see game screens and they're like "it's jaggy now, but they'll add in AA in the last few weeks of tweaking." Completely ridiculous. Brawl is basically done. They might tweak a few numbers here and there, and maybe they're finishing up some of the least important features like how to sort photos or whatever. But Brawl is done.
NeonZ
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Corneria is the only one really like that. Battlefield lacks interactive elements, but there isn't "cool stuff" happening in the background, just the day passing. I suppose one could include the Animal Crossing stage too, but it'd be a stretch.
If anything, I think that last transition is proof that the generic transition is the final one. There's no way they could pull a believable transition between the last arena and the first castle area.
AMUSIX said:
That would be absolutely broken. A single attack and the character could be out, his actual % not mattering at all.
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usea said:
I think that if Brawl is as done as you say, it wouldn't have been delayed.
I'm sure the basic foundation of the game is complete. However, I believe that Sakurai and his team are still adding new content and expanding the game, not just tweaking unimportant stuff.
AndoCalrissian
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That is effing stupid. They just delayed the game two months... you'd think they could maybe give us a bit more than that.Firestorm said:
NakedCosmonaut
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CreatureX3 said:
We really do. Nintendo of America has no love for the Mother series. I don't understand the problem with getting the games to us. Maybe they just hate the fans? Anyway, still glad Lucas is in, even if Ness is out.
TheGreatDave
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It might be something to do with Mother being an extremely unappealing marketing prospect.
SuperAngelo64
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Jiggy37 said:
They should just release Mother 3 as Wiiware for 1000 pts,
Problem solved.
They wouldn't have to market or manufacture it like a real game, so there's no risk involved for NoA and all the Mother fans in the states would be happy.
Raging Spaniard
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usea said:
Well I dont know how many games you've worked on, but I can tell you from experience that what you see on the show floor in a game does not represent the final product.
For all you know, and this is a very plausible scenario because Ive seen it happen. The build that was up at the show represents how the game was 2 to 3 months ago. In the games Ive worked on we've even removed and added complete stages 1 week before going gold.
So no, its not that I believe those are placeholder transitions, its just that theres a high chance that they are, speaking from experience.
Adding significant new content does not happen in the final hours of successful, awesome projects. Maybe finishing something planned early on but put on hold until they knew if they had time, like setting photos as matchmaking avatars or whatever. They didn't decide a week or even a month ago to add a new character or something similarly major. That's not how projects that actually finish are run.Iam Canadian said:
It represents the final product, but is not the final product. Anything can change from a demo, but certain things are far less likely than others. When you split off a version to use as a floor build you do lock down certain content and spend a little development to cap off makeshift things here and there. I sincerely doubt that one of those things is the way the fire emblem stage transitions, and brawl is much further along in development than making major design decisions.Raging Spaniard said:
ShockingAlberto
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The game that immediately comes out never makes it here but they make a sequel from the ground up for America?Jiggy37 said:
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Nintendo's own marketing:NakedCosmonaut said:
"This game stinks."
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Jiggy37 said:
I would love for that to happen. Nintendo seems biased against the Mother series because the one game that came out here sold poorly.
(Warning: rant incoming. Bail out now!)
Earthbound was a victim of the time it was released in. RPGs had yet to become a popular genre, outside of maybe Squaresoft's efforts. The simplistic graphics, which have a substantial amount of charm in their own right (almost like the Wind Waker's graphics), didn't appeal to an audience that had just been wowed by Donkey Kong Country. The game was misunderstood by a large portion of the audience, considering it to be a childish game consisting of nothing but fart jokes and not considering the substance the game had.
And your marketing didn't help matters, Nintendo. What the hell was that? This game stinks? You advertised your game with pictures of Master Barf and scratch 'n sniff stickers? Okay, I'll admit, the stickers are a cool novelty item (that I have!) now. But they were a terrible way to advertise the game then. You didn't necessarily have to treat the game as a serious epic, because that's not what Earthbound is. But there were better ways to do it. Market it as a satirical portrait of the RPG genre. Play up the concept of kids being the heroes. But Nintendo tried to advertise it as an Earthworm Jim-esque game without any of the randomness and surreality that made Earthworm Jim successful.
And just because it didn't sell to your expectations, it doesn't mean you shouldn't put out the sequel and the GBA ports. Believe it or not, Nintendo, the video game audience has changed. Look at the quirky, previously Japan-only stuff being released on your DS now, Nintendo. Take Phoenix Wright. Would that have done well on the SNES? Probably not. Hell, look at Atlus, publishing the kind of stuff that the Japanese used to get exclusively. Atlus has proven there is a market for Japanese novelties.
And you've got a built-in audience. People actually know who Ness is and they'll soon know the name of Lucas. People are going to want to see the roots of these characters. When the Ice Climbers were put into Melee, you started shoving their game down our throats with a Classic NES Series and a Virtual Console release. When Marth and Roy got in, you gave us the Fire Emblem games, despite that never having left Japanese shores previously. You've not only got a cadre of hardcore Earthbound who would love to see the cliffhanger at the end of Earthbound resolved, but potentially thousands of new fans who would pick up the game if only to play the game that Ness and Lucas came from. RPGs are, in fact, popular now. Mother is the closest thing to a traditional RPG you've made yourselves; after all, it builds right on the house that Dragon Quest built. And look, Nintendo! Dragon Quest, which previously got only sporadic North American releases, is now quite popular! Square-Enix took the chance to give Dragon Quest VIII a proper, professional localization and it sold quite well! Well enough to warrant the release of all kinds of spin-offs we wouldn't normally get! Maybe if you did a proper translation of Mother 3, you could get that kind of success yourselves! Play up the Smash Bros. angle if you have to! You released stuff like Drill Dozer! Why not give Mother 3 a chance?! You've never given the Mother series a fair chance! You actually translated the first game, but didn't release it because the NES was essentially dead. That didn't stop you from publishing Mega Man VI for Capcom, did it? Then you saddled Mother 2 with the crappiest marketing campaign imaginable. And now you won't give Mother another chance. That was nineteen-freaking-ninety five Nintendo. Mother is an excellent series and deserves another shot at the North American market!
...Wow. Sorry about that rant, I just get annoyed when I see a series like Mother, which I consider a series of some of the finest games ever made (and my own personal favourite) get shafted by Nintendo of America. I literally hammered that out in five minutes of frothing indignation. >_>
...Incidentally, does anybody know what kind of numbers Earthbound actually sold? For all the anecdotes I've read of Earthbound's crappy sales, I've never seen some actual numbers.
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Jiggy37 said:
I don't doubt that it did sell rather poorly, but I'm just curious as to how poorly it sold.
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ivysaur12 said:
That would be acceptable. However, it would still irk me because it would indicate that Nintendo doesn't consider Mother good enough to warrant a proper release. Besides, I kind of want an actual Mother 3 box to go alongside my treasured Earthbound box and Player's Guide.
I'd still take it, though. Anything to get Mother 3 in North America.
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Raging Spaniard said:Also, seems the boxart has shown up on the Nintendo Press site, its the one that was leaked and posted here some months back. Might very well represent the starting roster, I guess.
Hmmm... I count eleven characters on that. I agree that the characters on the cover are likely to represent starters, but 11? That's an odd number (both meanings intended). Not saying it can't happen, but iirc, both SSB and SSBM had an even number of starters.
P.S. Yes, Nintendo needs to release Mother here in all in its forms, on all of it's consoles.
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