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The Real "Limitless" Drug... Modafinil - Time to get jacked

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Archer

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http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/modafinil-2013-4

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It took Peter Borden a while to come around to modafinil. He never takes prescription drugs. He doesn’t drink to excess. He’s into acupuncture and alternative medicine. But he was working two jobs—by day, he does quantitative analysis and project management for a venture-capital-backed B2B start-up; by night, he’s developing a proprietary high-­frequency trading system for a Wall Street start-up of his own—and what he needed was more time to work.

So a few months ago, Borden ordered a three-week supply by mail. (“It was a piece of cake,” he says.) He popped his first pill—“the maximum suggested dose”—as soon as the package arrived, and within a few hours he started feeling a pleasant fuzziness. “Not fuzzy-headed,” he says, “but crisp. A crisp softness to it.” Soon he was experiencing a level of concentration he’d never imagined. “My senses sort of shifted to the visual, and my auditory sense went down. Sounds didn’t even register. It was like walking around on a winter day when it just snowed. It was very easy to stay visually focused.”

Next came a head rush. “I sensed it was blood actually moving to the optic nerve. Your eyes start to feel very sort of engorged, and your awareness comes to the front of your face, which is kind of a freaky sensation. I would describe it as being very much like Adderall, but without the speediness.”

Tasks that were usually soul-crushing now had his undivided attention. He spent hours fine-tuning ad campaigns for his new business, and his output wasn’t just faster and longer—it was better. “I didn’t take as many breaks; I didn’t get as frustrated; the stuff came out with fewer errors,” he says. “I never felt, Oh, let’s just get it done. I polished things.” As long as he kept taking the pill, his focus never wavered. “Time took on an entirely different sort of quality.” He was even happier. “There were some very potent anti-anxiety effects. Which was strange. I didn’t think I was an anxious person, but I guess I was.”

Modafinil, which is marketed as Provigil in the United States, was first approved by the FDA in 1998 for the treatment of narcolepsy, but since then it’s become better known as a nootropic, a “smart drug,” especially among entrepreneurs. More recently, it has attracted traders like Borden who don’t just need a pick-me-up to get through a deadline; they need to be on, without a break, for months, even years at a time.

And that’s modafinil’s reputation. It is rumored to be the model for the fictional pills in the movie Limitless that allowed Bradley Cooper’s character to use 100 percent of his brain. Timothy Ferriss, author of the best-selling The 4-Hour Work Week, recently dished about its effects with modafinil fan Joe Rogan, the former host of Fear Factor, on Rogan’s popular podcast. Probably its biggest booster is Dave Asprey, founder of the Bulletproof Executive web forum, where he blogged about the drug’s powers (headline: “Why You Are Suffering From a Modafinil Deficiency”). Last summer, ABC News did a segment on Asprey in which he compared taking it to the scene in The Wizard of Oz where everything blossoms from black-and-white to color.

Last month, modafinil’s penetration into the culture was confirmed by the American Medical Association’s journal Internal Medicine, which published a University of California, San Francisco, study reporting that U.S. prescriptions increased almost tenfold over the past decade. Far and away, most of those were for off-label use.

In New York, Borden is hearing more chatter about it among traders and hedge-funders, though they don’t tend to boast about it in the same way as the tech guys. “There’s something, I think, about guys who write code for a living that makes them very interested in hacking things—finding shortcuts, stuff like that,” he says. “Whereas with guys on Wall Street, it’s more testosterone-fueled; it’s more just power through it.” In a conversation on WallStreet­Oasis.com titled “Viagra for the Brain,” one commenter gushed, “This is not like ­caffeine or 5 Hour Energy. This is the big leagues.”

Unlike Ritalin or Adderall, modafinil isn’t an amphetamine and doesn’t flood the body with dopamine in the same way. For this reason, scientists originally believed it to be non-habit-forming, though some are beginning to doubt this claim. Users on message boards talk about how modafinil doesn’t so much speed them up as clear their minds. “Most of the drugs that people do in our society are things like alcohol that make you stupider instead of smarter,” mobile-software entrepreneur Jesse Law­ler said in a recent podcast about modafinil for his website SmartDrugSmarts.com.

The entrepreneur Daniel Tenner used modafinil to launch his first company while still working for the consulting firm Accenture. “Every day,” he wrote on swombat.com, a site for entrepreneurs, “I would sleep at 11 p.m. sharp. I would then wake up at 4 a.m., work until 7 a.m., then nap for an hour before going to work at my day job. I then also worked weekends.”

Of course, its ascendancy is also cause for some alarm. No scientist has conducted a study of its long-term effects on healthy brains yet. At the very least, doctors have warned that modafinil can bring about sleep deprivation (or, in the words of the Internal Medicine paper, “hypersensitivity reactions and neuropsychiatric adverse effects”). The modafinil moment has even prompted a secondary conversation among sociologists and economists about the anxiety of staying ahead in today’s competitive economy, and microeconomic predictions about a future in which everyone sleeps less: fewer mattress sales, more dollars spent at bars and nightclubs, more sex, and more children.

For Borden, life on modafinil really did feel like a real-life (if somewhat toned-down) Limitless. Things get hairy for the character in the movie—there’s addiction and withdrawal and tragedy before the tidy Hollywood ending. The first downside Borden noticed was in line with the film: He couldn’t drink. “I went out for a drink, and then I had another drink. And because I was so energized and focused, I got drunk faster. It kind of freaked me out, because time would sort of fly by. I’d be here, and then I’d be here. Almost like mini-­blackouts. I very quickly cut out alcohol.”

Then he ran into an even bigger problem: Skip a dose, and there would be hell to pay. “I really would feel it. It was sort of like being thrust into dirty, messy reality, as opposed to a clean, neatly organized place. It was like crashing, and I actually found what would happen is the anxiety that got dialed down on the way in, when you were coming off it, all of a sudden you went through the reverse. So I got incredibly anxious. Eventually that concerned me.” He stopped after three weeks. He says he’s more comfortable trying to get the same effect through meditation and, of all things, getting a good night’s sleep. He remains a little in awe of the pill, though. “It’s a great hack.”
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Seems almost too good to be true, and it doesn't sound like it's fun to come off of. Eh.....
 

totowhoa

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How do I get it without a prescription?

Order it from Europe. My fiance got some last year. Edit: I'm pretty sure it wasn't available in the states then... I guess it is now according to the OP? But you need a script? She didn't need one when she ordered hers from the EU though.
 

Camp Lo

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Just plugged this into my pharmacology and the mechanism of action says "the exact mechanism of modafinil's action in reducing somnolence is not fully understood."

Somnolence (or "drowsiness") is a state of near-sleep, a strong desire for sleep, or sleeping for unusually long periods.

Not sleeping isn't something I want to deal with, as much as I like to stay up.
 

totowhoa

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Going to order some tomorrow... anyone here had any experience with it?

If my fiance gets off the phone with her mother any time soon, I'll ask her about it. I can't really remember what she thought of it when she was taking it a year ago (she takes a number of meds anyway... I tend to get things mixed up).
 
Sounds amazing, I'm just wondering how much brain cancer and explosive diarrhea it will give me.

"Users may experience any single, combination or all of the following side effects:, depression, going to sleep and waking up in a different place, tooth root, kidney stones, changes in behavior, burning sensations when you go pee-pee, lack of muscle control, narcolepsy and lack of interest in sex. Please stop use of wonderdrug immediately upon signs of these effects and talk to your doctor."
 

TL4E

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I've used modafinil extensively. It helps focus and you notice more of the fine details in what you're learning. There's no withdrawal either if you take it for a month or two and suddenly stop (which seems contrary to what's in the OP - but most people agree modafinil doesn't cause significant withdrawals, certainly not to the extent you'd experience with amphetamine or Ritalin).

Only downside is that modafinil is a so-called 'wakefulness promoting' drug and it often stayed in my system way past my bedtime.. at least I did productive things while awake.
 
I heard Tim Ferris talking about this on the Joe Rogan podcast. I'd buy and use it if I didn't feel I'd get arrested for off-label/non-prescription use.

Common side effects of modafinil include:

Back pain
Headache
Nausea
Nervousness
Stuffy nose
Diarrhea
Anxiety
Dizziness
Upset stomach
Trouble sleeping
Serious side effects include:

Serious rash
Serious allergic reaction involving the liver or blood cells
Hives
Mouth sores
Blistering or peeling skin
Swelling of the face, eyes, lips, tongue, legs, or throat
Trouble swallowing or breathing
Fever
Shortness of breath
 

twofold

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Before considering modafinil or other nootropics, you need to make sure you're sleeping properly, exercising regularly, and your diet is great. These things will make a massive difference to your productivity.

Imagine your energy and concentration can be represented by a rating scale. At 1/10, you feel like shit and get very little done. At 10/10, you feel like you're flying and everything is easy.

Now, nootropics like modafinil can bump your scale maybe 3-4 points. So, if you're a 3, you'll feel like you're a 6-7. By sleeping properly, exercising regularly, and eating a great diet, you'll regularly operate at a 7-8 rating, which is really awesome. Then, if you decide to take nootropics, it'll bump you up slightly.

So, work on that stuff before playing around with nootropics or anything else like that.

If you want a quick hack that will improve your energy and concentration considerably, try drinking 'bulletproof coffee' in the morning. Brew a few cups of coffee, add 20-80g of butter (experiment to see what works best for you), add 1-2 tablespoons of MCT oil, and then mix in a blender/with a hand whisk/whatever.

Bulletproof coffee is maybe 80% as effective as modafinil, and you don't have to introduce crazy prescription drugs into your system.
 
Hahaha oh god bitcoins

Dont wanna de-rail the thread, but Whats the deal with bitcoins? Are they legit currency? I have a coworker who is trying to get people to invest in bitcoins. He was comparing it to apple stock, saying that its price its only going to rise. I dont know what to think.
 

xptoxyz

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Holy crap at the giant number of side effects. This seems really nice article for sellers, even the posted seller has imagery from the movie on their twitter.
 
Before considering modafinil or other nootropics, you need to make sure you're sleeping properly, exercising regularly, and your diet is great. These things will make a massive difference to your productivity.

Imagine your energy and concentration can be represented by a rating scale. At 1/10, you feel like shit and get very little done. At 10/10, you feel like you're flying and everything is easy.

Now, nootropics like modafinil can bump your scale maybe 3-4 points. So, if you're a 3, you'll feel like you're a 6-7. By sleeping properly, exercising regularly, and eating a great diet, you'll regularly operate at a 7-8 rating, which is really awesome. Then, if you decide to take nootropics, it'll bump you up slightly.

So, work on that stuff before playing around with nootropics or anything else like that.

If you want a quick hack that will improve your energy and concentration considerably, try drinking 'bulletproof coffee' in the morning. Brew a few cups of coffee, add 20-80g of butter (experiment to see what works best for you), add 1-2 tablespoons of MCT oil, and then mix in a blender/with a hand whisk/whatever.

Bulletproof coffee is maybe 80% as effective as modafinil, and you don't have to introduce crazy prescription drugs into your system.
I see someone has been listening to the joe rogan podcast.

The following countries do not classify Modafinil as a controlled substance:

Canada (not listed in the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, but it is a Schedule F prescription drug, so it is subject to seizure by Canada Border Services Agency)
Mexico
United Kingdom (not listed in the Misuse of Drugs Act and is available without legal restrictions by prescription)
Australia (listed as a Schedule 4 prescription drug)
In Germany the classification has been changed from controlled substance (BtM) to prescription drug (RP) effective March 1, 2008.
In India, generic retailing as Modalert is available from Sun Pharmaceuticals; Indian firms are not required to respect patents filed before 1995.
Excellent.
 

Angry Fork

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Going to bookmark this thread for when I get extra money, will try this stuff out if it's legal. I'm always worried about side effects when it comes to this kind of shit though.
 

blackflag

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Before considering modafinil or other nootropics, you need to make sure you're sleeping properly, exercising regularly, and your diet is great. These things will make a massive difference to your productivity.

Imagine your energy and concentration can be represented by a rating scale. At 1/10, you feel like shit and get very little done. At 10/10, you feel like you're flying and everything is easy.

Now, nootropics like modafinil can bump your scale maybe 3-4 points. So, if you're a 3, you'll feel like you're a 6-7. By sleeping properly, exercising regularly, and eating a great diet, you'll regularly operate at a 7-8 rating, which is really awesome. Then, if you decide to take nootropics, it'll bump you up slightly.

So, work on that stuff before playing around with nootropics or anything else like that.

If you want a quick hack that will improve your energy and concentration considerably, try drinking 'bulletproof coffee' in the morning. Brew a few cups of coffee, add 20-80g of butter (experiment to see what works best for you), add 1-2 tablespoons of MCT oil, and then mix in a blender/with a hand whisk/whatever.

Bulletproof coffee is maybe 80% as effective as modafinil, and you don't have to introduce crazy prescription drugs into your system.

I use 1 tbsp coconut oil (mct) in my coffee once a day but wtf is the butter for? Brb drinking a 1,000 calorie cup of coffee.
 

twofold

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I see someone has been listening to the joe rogan podcast.

No. I've been experimenting with nootropics and stuff for nearly 4 years now. Way before joe Rogan started doing his stuff.

I've spent somewhere in the region of $1,000-1,500 trying stuff. In terms of effectiveness, bulletproof coffee is at the top of the list. Just don't buy Dave Asprey's "mould free coffee beans". They're a waste of money. Regular specialty coffee will do.

I use 1 tbsp coconut oil (mct) in my coffee once a day but wtf is the butter for? Brb drinking a 1,000 calorie cup of coffee.

Makes it taste gorgeous! And it's a nice, clean energy source.

I recommend trying MCT oil instead of coconut oil, btw. I get a much higher energy boost with it.

Edit - I should mention. Use unsalted butter! Salted butter will taste awful.

You can blend the butter in to the coffee using one of these --

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I bought one for £1 from Ikea in the UK. Works really well.
 
Holy crap at the giant number of side effects. This seems really nice article for sellers, even the posted seller has imagery from the movie on their twitter.

To be fair, that sounds a bit like what you see on most drug commercials here in the states.
 

Emerson

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Going to bookmark this thread for when I get extra money, will try this stuff out if it's legal. I'm always worried about side effects when it comes to this kind of shit though.

It's not (in the US).

I'm not here to preach or tell people how to live their lives, but people should just realize this is a Schedule IV controlled substance in the USA and it is a crime to import it or purchase it without a prescription.

Furthermore we don't know anything about the longterm effects of this medication. As far as we know now it seems more safe than the amphetamines (e.g. Adderall etc.) hence why we currently use Provigil for narcolepsy or other hypersomnia disorders. But I would suggest that as with anything that seems too good to be true I would be very wary of using a substance like this unless I had a real medical need for it.
 

TL4E

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It's not (in the US).

I'm not here to preach or tell people how to live their lives, but people should just realize this is a Schedule IV controlled substance in the USA and it is a crime to import it or purchase it without a prescription.

Furthermore we don't know anything about the longterm effects of this medication. As far as we know now it seems more safe than the amphetamines (e.g. Adderall etc.) hence why we currently use Provigil for narcolepsy or other hypersomnia disorders. But I would suggest that as with anything that seems too good to be true I would be very wary of using a substance like this unless I had a real medical need for it.

Yes, this is an important thing to note in this thread. I would advise against buying it online, even though legitimate sources are available. It's still illegal.
 

LuffyZoro

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It's not (in the US).

I'm not here to preach or tell people how to live their lives, but people should just realize this is a Schedule IV controlled substance in the USA and it is a crime to import it or purchase it without a prescription.

Furthermore we don't know anything about the longterm effects of this medication. As far as we know now it seems more safe than the amphetamines (e.g. Adderall etc.) hence why we currently use Provigil for narcolepsy or other hypersomnia disorders. But I would suggest that as with anything that seems too good to be true I would be very wary of using a substance like this unless I had a real medical need for it.

Apparently Adrafinil is extremely similar and legal in the US, with the only real differences being a longer time before it starts working and a shorter half-life.
 
I took this when I was completely bedridden for a year and this drug didn't do shit. Just goes to show how fucked up I was I guess.
 
I've heard a bit about Modafinil. Most user reports are positive. The effects are noticeable, and it doesn't give you a rush like stimulants and amphetamines but rather clears the mind. Not much addiction potential.

I'm pretty interested in tracking some down.
 
This sounds like it'd be great for me! Seriously, if I pass my EMS tests in May, this could be a lifesaver.

Or as a teller, it would be godly, getting people's stuff finished.

OH HELL YES!!!
 

magenta

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I heard that a lot of executive's, especially in Silicon Valley take this stuff.

I remember reading about this stuff 8 years ago. It was originally prescribed for people who had trouble staying awake from sleeping but its other "uses" where also known then too. I wonder if articles and news reports like these are made as covert advertisements to shift more product, just a thought.
 
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