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Green Biker Dude · Jan 14, 2007

http://www.sagn.co.za/news.php?extend.366

This enticing piece of news might spur on the current debate over the correct format for the Next Gen Consoles. Recently Hideo Kojima said that "Blu-Ray is too small for Metal Gear Solid 4."

Currently the Blu-Ray disks can hold around 25 GB, but he wants the newer 50 GB Blue Ray disk, which is not a Dual layer 25 GB disk.

Apparently Hideo Kojima believes that what you do with in game sound can fill up the disk rather quickly this leads us to believe that the new MGS may have an ace up its sleeve, perhaps some thing never before seen in a game, though we can't be sure what yet. This seems to be the reason why he needs a larger disk.

Well this now raises the question, will MGS4 come to the Xbox 360? The current reports indicated that this is indeed the case, though whether it will come out on a few disks or be compressed onto one is still to be answered!

You can grab yourself of the podcast, entitled "1 up yours" it is an hour long, and if you just want the section related to this you can grab it from:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QPELQCTS

Imagine trying to rip a 50 GB game, well unless the PS3 can read iso's that is...

Hideo Kojima is indeed a genius though, and all of this makes me more excited about playing MGS4 and finally seeing what Kojima has in store for us.

Saw it on b3d, skimmed the 1 up yours thread and didn't see anything on it.

dili · Jan 14, 2007

But DVD9 is more than enough for next gen!

kenta · Jan 14, 2007

dillenger said:
But DVD9 is more than enough for next gen!

Great way to start the thread!

Snaku · Jan 14, 2007

Apparently Hideo Kojima believes that what you do with in game sound can fill up the disk rather quickly this leads us to believe that the new MGS may have an ace up its sleeve, perhaps some thing never before seen in a game, though we can't be sure what yet. This seems to be the reason why he needs a larger disk.

Five hour cutscenes am next gen!

R3Z · Jan 14, 2007

Not only is this old, but the story has been fluffed with bullshit.

Odysseus · Jan 14, 2007

Green Biker Dude said:
http://www.sagn.co.za/news.php?extend.366

Saw it on b3d, skimmed the 1 up yours thread and didn't see anything on it.

you skimmed a single thread and figured it was all clear? i said wow

anyway, maybe you should have skimmed last week's 1up yours thread

Chris Remo · Jan 14, 2007

Statements like this always make me roll my eyes. With the amazing things developers manage to pull out of their ass all the time, it sort of bothers me when a guy in charge of one of the most technically respected groups around (and as far as I know doesn't do any of the technical work himself) comes out and says "NOPE SORRY NOT POSSIBLE can't do it without eighteen gajillion flopabytes" I just have to wonder how sound the statement is.

For what it's worth I LOVE Kojima and have a lot of respect for him but I'm a little skeptical about this.

Defuser · Jan 14, 2007

awesome,can't for 20 min loading times!!!

drohne · Jan 14, 2007

7 disc 360 version confirmed

Green Biker Dude · Jan 14, 2007

Odysseus said:
you skimmed a single thread and figured it was all clear? i said wow

anyway, maybe you should have skimmed last week's 1up yours thread

Didn't occur to me to read the older 1 up yours threads since the post on the other forum and the news on the link were posted recently.

Oh well.

Pimpbaa · Jan 14, 2007

Defuser said:
awesome,can't for 20 min loading times!!!

How does a bigger disc equate to longer load times?

Grayman · Jan 14, 2007

i'd rather play metal gear on the ps3 anyways.

the game is spread across different areas of the world so when you think about multiple guard chats, music, sound effects. Foot steps, wall taps, door types, and environment sounds could all be different in each area.

also 25 not being big enough might mean he wants 27gigs, not 50.

rkenshin · Jan 14, 2007

compress it all and install the whole game onto the hdd.. problem solved!

sprocket · Jan 14, 2007

TDK has 200 gig BR disks . maybe e needs to talk with them .

HomerSimpson-Man · Jan 14, 2007

rkenshin said:
compress it all and install the whole game onto the hdd.. problem solved!

Well this isn't really a problem anyway, they can do it.

Pimpbaa · Jan 14, 2007

rkenshin said:
compress it all and install the whole game onto the hdd.. problem solved!

The basic model only comes with a 20GB hdd, so that's really not a good solution.

drohne · Jan 14, 2007

oh shit my sources at ign are saying that kojima plans to include the preceding mgs triology

smurfx · Jan 14, 2007

drohne said:
oh shit my sources at ign are saying that kojima plans to include the preceding mgs triology

:lol

Madame M · Jan 14, 2007

GUNS of the PATRIOTS

Surreal · Jan 14, 2007

I think when it comes to sound Kojima is going to blow people away. The PS3 supports 7.1 PCM, god knows what a dev like Kojima could do with that. Movie like gameplay FTW.

Adagio · Jan 14, 2007

Alien-San can't write.

Blackace · Jan 14, 2007

Surreal said:
I think when it comes to sound Kojima is going to blow people away. The PS3 supports 7.1 PCM, god knows what a dev like Kojima could do with that. Movie like gameplay FTW.

movie like gameplay? what is that? watching cutscene after cutscene?

Madame M · Jan 14, 2007

I think he means MGS4 will be a FMV game

Surreal · Jan 14, 2007

Blackace said:
movie like gameplay? what is that? watching cutscene after cutscene?

I was talking more about how "movie like" the sound will be. My comment was pretty unclear, sorry.

Bad_Boy · Jan 14, 2007

Surreal said:
I think when it comes to sound Kojima is going to blow people away. The PS3 supports 7.1 PCM, god knows what a dev like Kojima could do with that. Movie like gameplay FTW.

Screaming guards voices echoing off closed hallways, dogs barking, bullets wizzing by, bombs going off, soldiers voices surrounding you, hearing one of those mini-gears "moo'ing" and landing near you, etc. I can't even imagine how sweet the sound could be.

Unfortunately I'm not working with 7.1 yet, I figure I'll upgrade some time this year.

Surreal · Jan 14, 2007

Bad_Boy said:
Screaming guards voices echoing off closed hallways, dogs barking, bullets wizzing by, bombs going off, soldiers voices surrounding you, hearing one of those mini-gears "moo'ing" and landing near you, etc. I can't even imagine how sweet the sound could be.

Unfortunately I'm not working with 7.1 yet, I figure I'll upgrade some time this year.

I have 2.0, so don't feel too bad. After blowing all that money on a HDTV for my 360, it's going to take a while to get a decent sound system.

Bad_Boy · Jan 14, 2007

Surreal said:
I have 2.0, so don't feel too bad. After blowing all that money on a HDTV for my 360, it's going to take a while to get a decent sound system.

Yeah I hear that (no pun intended). I don't even have a decent receiver really. But I'm definately looking forward to more "next gen sound" in future games. I'd probably replay all my war/shooting games when I do get the proper setup.

Mr. Wednesday · Jan 14, 2007

I could care less about 7 channel. I'll be playing it through TV speakers.

Lobster · Jan 14, 2007

Multiplatform developers are in their offices wondering what drug Kojimas on.

Xavien · Jan 14, 2007

Pimpbaa said:
How does a bigger disc equate to longer load times?

Simple 2x BR (9MB/sec) has less data transfer then 8xDVD (10.9MB/sec), combine this with a 6 times larger disc, means you are gonna have longer loading, since as textures and assets get larger in size, the transfer rate will seriously hamper loading times as more and more data has to be loaded for levels etc.

J-Rzez · Jan 14, 2007

Oh man... I'll have another reason to justify getting a 1.3HDMI Denon receiver in 7.1 now! Like I needed another reason, I wanted to get one for Movies and Resistance... I'm glad to see that there are games that will take advantage of the new hardware...

Bring it on Kojima...

Multiplatform developers are in their offices wondering what drug Kojimas on.

Or trying to come up with excuses for when they get asked why they don't do this...

Bad_Boy · Jan 14, 2007

Mr. Wednesday said:
I could care less about 7 channel. I'll be playing it through TV speakers.

Sounds....exciting.

Drensch · Jan 14, 2007

16 hour cut scenes take up a lot of space.

tahrikmili · Jan 14, 2007

Snaku said:
Five hour cutscenes am next gen!

Thread Over.

buckfutter · Jan 14, 2007

Can we get some more painfully misinformed posts about how realtime cutscenes eat up a lot of disk space? I don't think there's enough yet.

Snaku · Jan 14, 2007

buckfutter said:
Can we get some more painfully misinformed posts about how realtime cutscenes eat up a lot of disk space? I don't think there's enough yet.

Real time has nothing to do with it. Audio takes up the space according to Hideo.

DSN2K · Jan 14, 2007

MGS4 will not be using any form of Compression confirmed. :lol

Moderation Unlimited · Jan 14, 2007

Snaku said:
Real time has nothing to do with it. Audio takes up the space according to Hideo.

I think this time alot of that audio will be in-game and contribute somehow to the gameplay.

buckfutter · Jan 14, 2007

Snaku said:
Real time has nothing to do with it. Audio takes up the space.

Not anymore than a single gameplay frame's ambient audio with added voice, depending on how they manage cutscene audio. Codec calls, yes, they're going to eat up a chunk considering the length and variety of them, but realtime cutscenes with audio included aren't going to make someone need 25gbs of disk space minimum. Especially as he's gone on record saying that MGS4 will have shorter cutscenes (although there may not be less cutscenes).

Bad_Boy · Jan 14, 2007

DSN2K said:
MGS4 will not be using any form of Compression confirmed. :lol

Thats what people said about resistance when they were back at 20GB. To make a long story short, that ended up being false.

Yoboman · Jan 14, 2007

e3-2006-dear-mr-kojima-jump-in-ad-20060511021024189-000.jpg

brandonh83 · Jan 14, 2007

Drensch said:
16 hour cut scenes take up a lot of space.

I know! And I can't ****ing wait!

Surreal · Jan 14, 2007

Yoboman said:

I wish someone would explain this to me. I've seen it several times, but what is MS saying? They just published a page in some booklet asking Kojima to jump in? Wouldn't there be a more efficient or productive way to go about this? You'd think they would have something to announce, or a surprise for everyone shortly after printing that. What the hell is the point?

Barry Lightning · Jan 14, 2007

Green Biker Dude said:
http://www.sagn.co.za/news.php?extend.366

Saw it on b3d, skimmed the 1 up yours thread and didn't see anything on it.

wow that news clip was so poorly written it was like reading a 5th grade school report

DarkJediKnight · Jan 14, 2007

This is what I've always suspected. Lair will have 7.1. So I'm pretty certain Hideo wants 7.1 PCM (uncompressed/lossless for those wondering). Add various layers of sound effects and this can take up 6gb-10gb, which would be impossible on a DVD since DVDs simply don't have the space or bandwidth to do this. Audio has always been top notch in Metal Gear. And since there's no more rumble, sound will play more of a key on PS3 than ever before. So if you have a nice system, you'll get the benefits.

Whoever wrote that article however has no idea about Blu-ray. There is no single layer 50gb. The PS3 can play 50gb discs and that's precisely what Kojima is talking about. Kojima isn't saying that Blu-ray isn't enough, it's just that 25gb discs may not be enough for him.

_Alkaline_ · Jan 14, 2007

Bahahahaha, he's out of his mind.

Yoboman · Jan 14, 2007

Surreal said:
I wish someone would explain this to me. I've seen it several times, but what is MS saying? They just published a page in some booklet asking Kojima to jump in? Wouldn't there be a more efficient or productive way to go about this? You'd think they would have something to announce, or a surprise for everyone shortly after printing that. What the hell is the point?

It was a parody magazine of the E3 brochures made by KojiPro back at E3 and it had parody advertisements including that one inside

Surreal · Jan 14, 2007

Yoboman said:
It was a parody magazine of the E3 brochures made by KojiPro back at E3 and it had parody advertisements including that one inside

Oh, so it's not real, thanks for explaining that. :lol

*feels stupid now*

big_z · Jan 14, 2007

Probably needs the space because konami doesn't compress their games correctly. I remember back when looking through MGS2(pc) a lot of simple texture files that would be less than 5K compressed without loss were over 1MB in size. :|

Raiden_Fan · Jan 14, 2007

Yay folks 50GB for MGS4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! F*cking yeah!!!!

The same for Biohazard 5 & DMC4 also!!!!!!!!

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