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New Study: Why Obama voters flipped to Trump...The Economy
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RPGCrazied
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He bankrupted like 6 companies, how can anyone want to trust the economy to him? Doesn't compute.
Flying Toaster
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Bill was right. It's the economy stupid. Well that and fear of minorities.
Edit: This election will end up being a ton of variables on why things went down the way they went down. But disenfranchised voters voting for someone that was not a politician as a protest vote is a large part of it. It will and is biting them in the ass and they will never learn.
Edit: This election will end up being a ton of variables on why things went down the way they went down. But disenfranchised voters voting for someone that was not a politician as a protest vote is a large part of it. It will and is biting them in the ass and they will never learn.
Team Alucard
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PdotMichael
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It's still the biggest paradox in US politics how the Republicans has the working class.
But I guess racism is very important for a large part of the USA.
But I guess racism is very important for a large part of the USA.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
One of the main reasons people wanted W was that he was a businessman. Yes, really.
MrSaturn99
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Hate to bring this up from the dead- But I'm starting to think that a populist like Bernie is exactly what the party needs, and would probably be president right now had he been the Democratic nominee.
And before anyone says it- I supported Clinton from the word go, and thought Bernie was nothing but hot air and empty promises.
But I guess that's what people go to the polls for? I don't know.
Lazy vs Crazy
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Trump's message was "I'll help the economy."
Clinton's message was "Donald Trump is a bad person and you are too if you vote for him."
Yeah, her policies are better for the economy. But her campaign never made the argument. Or at lease didn't push it a quarter as much as Trump's did. And yes, the media was complicit in letting Trump lie about this stuff. But Clinton's messaging was the worst I've seen since Martha Coakley lost to Scott Brown.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
See here's why I don't believe that: these people aren't mad at Trump now, despite him stuffing his cabinet with wealthy bankers and oil execs and everything else
Like if they really cared about all of that, wouldn't we expect to hear them being upset?
SolarMystic
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Living proof that neanderthals still exist. Unfortunately.
It's not just the US. Same pattern's shown up all over. Look at Labour's troubles in the UK - their "working class" base has abandoned them.
2Smashed4U
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Also worth considering that what brings people out to the primaries isn't what brings people out in the general.
shnurgleton
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Economics is real but you can't blame the health of the economy on the party in power 100% of the time
timetokill
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Let's not over-complicate things. The thinking (for those who can be swayed) can be summed up as:
1. Obama has been president for 8 years, and my life hasn't gotten appreciably better.
2. I'm not voting D next time
That's it.
1. Obama has been president for 8 years, and my life hasn't gotten appreciably better.
2. I'm not voting D next time
That's it.
Kid Kamikaze10
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But Bernie and others totally didn't poison the well though.
I mean, who's main stance was all about the 1% and framing Hillary as such? Can't be the rich guy who's currently president.
Dem messaging sucked. Without a doubt, and it has before in other losing campaigns. And yeah, eight years of anything makes people earn for change.
However, can we stop acting like the well was totally clean though?
I mean, who's main stance was all about the 1% and framing Hillary as such? Can't be the rich guy who's currently president.
Dem messaging sucked. Without a doubt, and it has before in other losing campaigns. And yeah, eight years of anything makes people earn for change.
However, can we stop acting like the well was totally clean though?
Warm Machine
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There is a political expectation that the people holding higher office will be professionals with business experience.
Flying Toaster
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Not at all. But people are reactionary and nothing is worse than reactionary voters going to the polls and voting opposite just to see change.
yeah, that's pretty much it for a lot of folks
that and democrats not showing up at the polls
Darryl M R
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Hell, you don't even need to do that. Just watch one of the following...
Daily Show, Full Frontal, Last Week Tonight, Steven Colbert, or Seth Meyers...
And you'll have all the information you need to stay informed of what the GOP stand for.
Psychoward
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Hillary had plenty of campaign shit aimed towards the economy, people are just dumb.
I agree on the surface that is what her campaign portrayed and it also didn't help with all the Hollywood sponsorship she received. She had plenty of time to fix this image and she didn't reach out to the working class.
BobTheFork
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It's because they are stupid!
'well, it's actually racism'
So, because they are stupid
'Well, it's actually sexism'
So, because they are stupid
'Well, actually it's because they believed Donald Trump would be good for the economy despite his business record'
So, because they are stupid.
'well, it's actually racism'
So, because they are stupid
'Well, it's actually sexism'
So, because they are stupid
'Well, actually it's because they believed Donald Trump would be good for the economy despite his business record'
So, because they are stupid.
Largely, yes.
Doesn't mean these fears couldn't have been addressed better, or more efficiently, by the Democratic party.
Shit, if she had just listened to Bill or Obama, things may have been different.
Trump promised to make the Economy better for a specific type of person. Where exactly do these Obama -> Trump voters come from again?
I'm sorry, but no.
If Bernie Sanders was the type of populist the party needed, he would have won. Point blank. Trump was the populist his party needed, and he won. Obama was the type of populist 2008 Dems needed, and he won.
Maybe Hillary Clinton wasn't the right candidate for the time, but then neither was the guy whose ass she thoroughly whooped in the primaries.
The next great Democratic leader has not made themselves known yet, but I'm sure we've seen their face.
I'm sorry, but no.
If Bernie Sanders was the type of populist the party needed, he would have won. Point blank. Trump was the populist his party needed, and he won. Obama was the type of populist 2008 Dems needed, and he won.
Maybe Hillary Clinton wasn't the right candidate for the time, but then neither was the guy whose ass she thoroughly whooped in the primaries.
The next great Democratic leader has not made themselves known yet, but I'm sure we've seen their face.
Yeah.
A lot of people heard Clinton promise basically 4 more years of Obama and thought: no thanks.
Lord Frieza
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I mean, do you? Do you really?
2Smashed4U
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She had a lot of shit on a website that she constantly told people to go check for themselves.
That shits not gonna cut it.
"White supremacy is bad" seems like a good message to me
It's possible it's a bad country
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I will agree with all of this
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
I wish these voters would think about who's representing them locally at the municipal and state levels, as well. They have a more direct impact on their lives than who they send to D.C.
Gordon Shumway
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Psychoward
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I mean, and during the debates, and exposing how Trump is an economic fraud and con man.
Anyone who looked at Trump and believed he was looking out for working class interests ever is a dumbass, full stop.
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