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Harry Potter [Mafia] |OT| Yer a werewolf, Arry
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Lord of Castamere
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Okay. So Crab claims to be switched with someone. Possible, but why would scum target Burb? As flameac said town was still divided on him. I don't think they would take him out seems like a classic Vig move honestly. A vigilante knew that Burb would dominate discussion today so he did what needed to be done for the greater good, classic Vig. Sadly Burb lied about the power of his role. A tough situation for everyone involved.
So the question now is who got switched with Crab, or is Crab lying?
I also hate to say this but another possibility for Burbs death is Sawneeks. Both I and Blarg speculated yesterday that Sawneeks was bateing the posion curer into targeting her. If Sawneeks doesn't die tonight we have our lynch target for tomorrow.
So the question now is who got switched with Crab, or is Crab lying?
I also hate to say this but another possibility for Burbs death is Sawneeks. Both I and Blarg speculated yesterday that Sawneeks was bateing the posion curer into targeting her. If Sawneeks doesn't die tonight we have our lynch target for tomorrow.
Hyperactivity
Banned
But why use a switch to kill burb? Any doctor worth his salt, as well as a watcher, would probably have been on blarg last night
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
Anyway, on to something even more interesting
So, last Night, expecting all the assassins, I went nuclear and tried to destroy the Marvolo Ring Horcrux I had had in my possession since the start; it was supposed to be my moment
I had kinda breadcrumbed it being in my pocket a little, you can look back through my posts yesterday and see if you want
Hindsight: Probably shouldn't have done that, but anyway
I used my DESTROY: RING command
But it wasn't there anymore
Because apparently, someone stole it from me last Night, so
yeah
filthy sneak
tl:dr:
because there's a super-inconsiderate Thief role among us
So, last Night, expecting all the assassins, I went nuclear and tried to destroy the Marvolo Ring Horcrux I had had in my possession since the start; it was supposed to be my moment
I had kinda breadcrumbed it being in my pocket a little, you can look back through my posts yesterday and see if you want
Hindsight: Probably shouldn't have done that, but anyway
I used my DESTROY: RING command
But it wasn't there anymore
Because apparently, someone stole it from me last Night, so
yeah
filthy sneak
tl:dr:
Hyperactivity
Banned
Guess we're back to confusing blarg.
This is why you put him over a fire, he starts making sense when you do that.
sigh
D
Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
Blarg, a) were you switched tonight, b) what did your investigation find?
Hyperactivity
Banned
I'm assuming he could only use one command, seeing as he hasn't told us the result of his investigaton
Lord of Castamere
Member
Hmm. Could it have been Harry? Maybe he has the ability to steal Horcruxes, because if they exist Scum likey have some. I mean that was his responsibility in the book.
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
This is Blarg, you have to be very direct about these things.
Anyway, on to something even more interesting
So, last Night, expecting all the assassins, I went nuclear and tried to destroy the Marvolo Ring Horcrux I had had in my possession since the start; it was supposed to be my moment
I had kinda breadcrumbed it being in my pocket a little, you can look back through my posts yesterday and see if you want
Hindsight: Probably shouldn't have done that, but anyway
I used my DESTROY: RING command
But it wasn't there anymore
Because apparently, someone stole it from me last Night, so
yeah
filthy sneak
tl:dr:because there's a super-inconsiderate Thief role among us
A thief role would be weird but I presume that would be a death eater aligned role. Maybe there is a town aligned role that can steal horcruxes and destroy it as I presume Death Eaters have some as well.
Blargonaut
Banned
Anyway, on to something even more interesting
So, last Night, expecting all the assassins, I went nuclear and tried to destroy the Marvolo Ring Horcrux I had had in my possession since the start; it was supposed to be my moment
I had kinda breadcrumbed it being in my pocket a little, you can look back through my posts yesterday and see if you want
Hindsight: Probably shouldn't have done that, but anyway
I used my DESTROY: RING command
But it wasn't there anymore
Because apparently, someone stole it from me last Night, so
yeah
filthy sneak
tl:dr:because there's a super-inconsiderate Thief role among us
Oh, that's interesting.. Now we only need to find out if that thief role was Scum or Town.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Flavour text says Snape was killed by Death Eaters, so I doubt it was a vig.
If we're talking items then someone may have a Sword of Gryffindor or similar to destroy Horcruxes with.
If we're talking items then someone may have a Sword of Gryffindor or similar to destroy Horcruxes with.
Hyperactivity
Banned
If anything that reminds me more of Mundugus Fletcher. Or Dobby (maybe, it's a stretch).
Those are the only real thieves in the story.
Although, knowing the name, of which it could easily be something else, tell us nothing about this thief
Lord of Castamere
Member
Flavor is just flavor.
Blargonaut
Banned
Maybe, but I myself didn't need a special item to break the Ring
I could just do it, as an ability
But I am the greatest though, so it's probably that
Hyperactivity
Banned
Lord of Castamere
Member
May be leaning into "their" too heavily.
What was the exact wording Blarg? Could a Harry Potter with a "Find: Horcrux: Command fit?
TheAwesomePossum
Banned
...And what are the facts that would lead you to indicting Crab???
Something i Saw on night1.
Hyperactivity
Banned
I looked at burbeting's role pm again...
We have THREE cops. Forgetting the scum cop.
Holy shit
We have THREE cops. Forgetting the scum cop.
Holy shit
Why assume a switch was to kill Burb? Why assume the switch was scum at all?
My theory:
Scum killed Burb straight up. He made it clear before the day ended that he was more than a simple Miller. Using HP flavour, it's easy to guess he would either a spy or have Veritaserum (both are prominently features in books/movies). I'm not surprised scum would have wanted him dead, and he would be a pretty safe target at night.
A town switcher switched Blarg with Crab to protect Blarg. Perhaps they suspect Crab and was hoping a potential kill would redirect to them.
Anything wrong with my theory? Seems like the simplest explanation I can think of.
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
They're easy questions to actually answer straight, Blarg. Please don't be an arse for the sake of it.
Hyperactivity
Banned
I was more thinking along the lines of the situation crab proposed.
I mean, idk. This is why I hate switchers, they make things confusing
Lone_Prodigy
Member
My guess is Blarg can investigate or destroy the Horcrux each night. Thinking he would die last night, he decided to at least destroy the Horcrux before biting it.
But he wasn't targeted and someone stole the Horcrux before he could destroy it.
So going back to Night 1, it looks like the Stupefy was separate from the KK investigation, since Gorlak got hit by it last night.
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
Actually, if Blarg wasn't the switch subject, I think I know why - mafia didn't want to kill him, they wanted to get his Horcrux. Presumably that means they can somehow investigate who has Horcruxes.
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
That should have read "If Blarg wasn't the kill target". I'm confusing myself now. ;_;
They might have just presumed that some kind of doctor would protect him and so didn't want to risk missing out on a kill.
Maybe that's tied to the Scum Cop? It would make sense as they needed someone to help them find Voldemort but perhaps it could also give them info on if the person they investigate has a Horcrux or not.
Blargonaut
Banned
Day 3 Affairs
brb, eating death
- Apparently, I saved Nakatomi Plaza last night
- Gorlak feels it too, don't you
- Sawneeks got it Bad
- Ignored the hobbits for once; tried to throw the Ring into Mount Doom myself, but Gollum caught it
- Gollum fled, is at large
brb, eating death
I'm really curious about this. Do you want to expand on this? Unless you might not want to reveal your role.
Mhh, I have not really a Problem revealing my role.
Crab, why did you visit Swamped on night1?
Hyperactivity
Banned
Matt Attack
Member
Hyperactivity
Banned
Rynam, be specific about what you're claiming.
You're claiming watcher?
Who did you watch tonight?
You're claiming watcher?
Who did you watch tonight?
Matt Attack
Member
I'd like to know the flavor too.
TheGoddamn
Member
I'm so sorry, Burb : ( I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for you, to have died again so early.
That said, alarm bells are ringing in my head.
Vote: Crab
Thank you for your constant questions, Hyperactivity: from them I felt that something doesn't ring true about Crab's claim. Your posts emphasize that quite clearly. You also posted a series of possibilities:
Hyperactivity, your possible scenarios have too many variables, and rely on chance. Instead of overly muddying the waters, let's Occam's Razor this shit. You got it right, but between the lines and outside of those items.
What did I get from this? Crab is lying about being one the switch targets, and the true players that were switched were Blarg and Burb.
After this possibility was raised by your posts, I then looked at Crab's posts for today if they were written from the perspective of someone who aimed to kill Blarg last night:
In this post, he's surprised that their kill command didn't work. Crab is our progenitor, so he obviously knows about switchers (as opposed to the others today being unsure about the functions of the role). He quickly does damage control, saying something about a PM telling him that he'd been switched. I'm constructing a narrative, I know, but this idea of damage control was immediately reinforced by nin1000 saying that PMs were still en route:
Again, I'm impressed at Crab's ability to adapt and cover his missteps:
Crab didn't get a PM about this at all. Obviously, nin1000 can't respond. He only officially starts the day two posts later.
Crab's insistence that the other person who got switched claim was also suspicious (emphases mine):
Plus, it makes no sense that after the events of yesterday, Burb would be the target of the NK. Blarg had just single-handedly caused the elimination of the Death Eater leader. And you said it yourself (and so did Hyperactivity, hyperactively): why would you be the target of the switch? You've hardly been a talking point in this game, apart from (and because of) your ban.
This post speaks for itself as a testament to your persistence for claims (emphases mine):
Finally, Blarg's recent posts indicate that he himself knew that he was last night's mafia target.
However, there is another simple alternative (although I don't care for this one at all; it adds chance). There could be no switcher at all, and a doctor protected Blarg. There's some sort of Shield Charm or defense mechanism that protected Blarg, causing the spell to deflect onto Burb randomly. Again, relying on the lore for this alternative, but spells being deflected are not uncommon in Harry Potter (most notably in the first "fight" between Voldemort and baby Harry). This alternative is unlikely because we already had one random death generator (Lupin).
Regardless of which of these two possibilities is true (1. Burb/Blarg being the real switcher targets, or 2. there being no switcher at all), Blarg was obviously the mafia target last night, and Crab is lying.
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Another scum/anti-town read:
Lord of Castamere. I mean really; he posted this 41 minutes into the day as one of his ""reads":
Burbeting as town. I guess to his credit, that's a 100% accurate read! While this is the most egregious of his mistakes, this isn't the first. He misunderstood the timeframe of Sawneeks's death by poison (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186165569&postcount=1238), as well as misunderstood Rats's power (http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=186069788). As I said before, this is just a hunch, but reading comprehension might be difficult if you have to keep up with both this thread and the mafia thread. His defensiveness on D1 was also a typical (but not always a) tell. Leaning scum. (PS. Who else has urged Sawneeks to claim? Crab!)
A final point (I've been writing this forever): I don't think we should entertain the thought of Horcruxes. Voldemort is no longer in the game. Our win condition is to eliminate all Death Eaters.
(New development! Rynam, wow!)
That said, alarm bells are ringing in my head.
Vote: Crab
Thank you for your constant questions, Hyperactivity: from them I felt that something doesn't ring true about Crab's claim. Your posts emphasize that quite clearly. You also posted a series of possibilities:
Hyperactivity, your possible scenarios have too many variables, and rely on chance. Instead of overly muddying the waters, let's Occam's Razor this shit. You got it right, but between the lines and outside of those items.
What did I get from this? Crab is lying about being one the switch targets, and the true players that were switched were Blarg and Burb.
After this possibility was raised by your posts, I then looked at Crab's posts for today if they were written from the perspective of someone who aimed to kill Blarg last night:
In this post, he's surprised that their kill command didn't work. Crab is our progenitor, so he obviously knows about switchers (as opposed to the others today being unsure about the functions of the role). He quickly does damage control, saying something about a PM telling him that he'd been switched. I'm constructing a narrative, I know, but this idea of damage control was immediately reinforced by nin1000 saying that PMs were still en route:
Again, I'm impressed at Crab's ability to adapt and cover his missteps:
Crab didn't get a PM about this at all. Obviously, nin1000 can't respond. He only officially starts the day two posts later.
Crab's insistence that the other person who got switched claim was also suspicious (emphases mine):
Plus, it makes no sense that after the events of yesterday, Burb would be the target of the NK. Blarg had just single-handedly caused the elimination of the Death Eater leader. And you said it yourself (and so did Hyperactivity, hyperactively): why would you be the target of the switch? You've hardly been a talking point in this game, apart from (and because of) your ban.
This post speaks for itself as a testament to your persistence for claims (emphases mine):
Finally, Blarg's recent posts indicate that he himself knew that he was last night's mafia target.
However, there is another simple alternative (although I don't care for this one at all; it adds chance). There could be no switcher at all, and a doctor protected Blarg. There's some sort of Shield Charm or defense mechanism that protected Blarg, causing the spell to deflect onto Burb randomly. Again, relying on the lore for this alternative, but spells being deflected are not uncommon in Harry Potter (most notably in the first "fight" between Voldemort and baby Harry). This alternative is unlikely because we already had one random death generator (Lupin).
Regardless of which of these two possibilities is true (1. Burb/Blarg being the real switcher targets, or 2. there being no switcher at all), Blarg was obviously the mafia target last night, and Crab is lying.
---
Another scum/anti-town read:
Lord of Castamere. I mean really; he posted this 41 minutes into the day as one of his ""reads":
Burbeting as town. I guess to his credit, that's a 100% accurate read! While this is the most egregious of his mistakes, this isn't the first. He misunderstood the timeframe of Sawneeks's death by poison (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186165569&postcount=1238), as well as misunderstood Rats's power (http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=186069788). As I said before, this is just a hunch, but reading comprehension might be difficult if you have to keep up with both this thread and the mafia thread. His defensiveness on D1 was also a typical (but not always a) tell. Leaning scum. (PS. Who else has urged Sawneeks to claim? Crab!)
A final point (I've been writing this forever): I don't think we should entertain the thought of Horcruxes. Voldemort is no longer in the game. Our win condition is to eliminate all Death Eaters.
(New development! Rynam, wow!)
D
Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
I did visit Swamped N1, yes. I don't know why I'm the only visitor. Do you want me to roleclaim?
I can watch a player and get a list of everyone that visited the player.
Tonight i used my power on Blarg.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Who did you see tonight, and what's the flavor
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
It's highly likely the doctor (if we have one) was on Blarg tonight, so he probably shouldn't reveal that.
Matt Attack
Member
Rynam, why did you watch Swamped N1?
I forget if this has come up, but did Blarg's role tell us what destroying the Horcruxes would do (in the context of the game)?
I forget if this has come up, but did Blarg's role tell us what destroying the Horcruxes would do (in the context of the game)?
She had me on a list of trusted People. I first tried to watch myself, the first person that came to my mind was Swamped because of the Dumbledores Army stuff.