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So where does the end duel of The Force Awakens rank within all SW duels? [SPOILERS]
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Starsailor
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Beats the piss out of all the dumb anime sword fights from the prequel trilogy. I prefer my sword fights to have some weight to them (which makes no sense with lightsabers but I don't care).
It obviously lacked the emotional weight found in the duels in ESB and ROTJ, but the choreography was really on point and the actors did a great job selling it.
It obviously lacked the emotional weight found in the duels in ESB and ROTJ, but the choreography was really on point and the actors did a great job selling it.
StormyTheRabbit
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I'm actually a pretty big fan of the Yoda vs Sidious duel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DI8kkR9G0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DI8kkR9G0Q
StormyTheRabbit
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Did anybody actually ask for this to happen? This isn't even me riffing on the prequels in general. I just seriously never even once thought to myself "Man, I'd like to see THOSE two dudes fight" before seeing that movie.
I'm actually a pretty big fan of the Yoda vs Sidious duel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DI8kkR9G0Q
I think the actual "force" part of their duel is far more interesting tbh.
Its the top dog of the Jedi vs big bad of the Sith. Not hard to imagine people wondering what would happen if they went at it.
Starsailor
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The last Kylo trick in this gif is absolutely amazing. He grap Rey lightsaber, take it to him, and push it very strongly to her. I was like o__o on this scene and we saw that yoda vs palpatine "dance fight" ten years ago.
It's better than the Ani/Obi duel, at least the part where it just becomes a force show off battle.I'm actually a pretty big fan of the Yoda vs Sidious duel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DI8kkR9G0Q
I'm actually a pretty big fan of the Yoda vs Sidious duel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DI8kkR9G0Q
Eh honestly that fight only became fine with the force duel when Sidious started throwing seats at Yoda. That part of the fight in the gifs is just lol.
Edit: Ha glad I not the only one who feels that way.
Leagues above any of the prequel fights. Yes, it was very impressive how those actors remembered all those moves... too bad the fights themselves were so fucking emotionless, or the spectacle of the fights got so obscene that it was then impossible to care with how meaningless any of their moves became.
Between ROTJ, ESB, or TFA, I'd say...
TFA wins for choreography/staging.
ESB wins for tension.
ROTJ wins for emotional resonance.
Between ROTJ, ESB, or TFA, I'd say...
TFA wins for choreography/staging.
ESB wins for tension.
ROTJ wins for emotional resonance.
That is fucking awesome.
ESB > ROTJ = TFA > TPM > ANH then the rest can just be in a pile at the end. ROTS fights were too long or filled with yoda flipping and doing stupid shit. Anakin and Obi's fight while still to flippy and twirly could have been done well if it was more personal. Two dudes beating the snot out of each other on a flat plane would be better wounding each other back and forth until master has to cut down the apprentice viciously. It would be personal. That duel is about setpiece and spectacle. Not character struggle. Likewise the dooku fight at the end while competent introduced the concept of yoda holding a lightsaber. Not cool.
TheWarrior
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Might be my least favorite, but everything leading up to it had no build up. It's tough to find some iconic "Star Wars" moments in this film.
Sub_Level
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That was really well done.
Alandrus Sun
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Agreed. Thee fight choreography and much more brutal realistic nature is a step up from the prequels but the whole fight was shot in typical JJ, ADHD fashion.
Bucket Mouse
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1) ESB = RotJ (Sublime atmospherics vs. raw passion)
2) ANH = TFA (Iconic dialogue vs. Expert choreography)
Was just about to post this. This is the secret best Maul fight everyone forgets about.
2) ANH = TFA (Iconic dialogue vs. Expert choreography)
Was just about to post this. This is the secret best Maul fight everyone forgets about.
AlphaStriker
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This is the closest thing in the movie history we have for Link VS Ganondorf.
Holy... this is amazing
I love the dark snowy setting, contrasting with the bright clashing lightsabers. TFA fight felt really visceral with Kylo Ren dishing out heavy swings and Rey trying to stand her ground.
The prequel fights are entertaining, but they feel to choreographed and flashy. I hope each trilogy can have their own signature style.
As an actual duel, ROTJ is pretty weak; it's all on how the whole construction of the scene and how it builds to that moment that Luke hammers away at Vader's arm, before throwing his lightsaber down and refusing to turn.
It's powerful though, even if it's not the prettiest (plus we got a saber throw, so there's that). It's one of the best scenes in Star Wars though, period.
I was leaning towards ESB next, but I'm honestly tempted to put TFA above it. It has so much going for it, and I really do love Kylo as a character. The duel with Rey probably showcases his personality more than anything else in the film. Plus, as silly as it seemed at its reveal, that lightsaber is awesome, and was handled, if you'll excuse the pun, in the right way.
Maul/Qui-Gon/Kenobi probably comes next, after ESB. It was a great showcase for how awesome Jedi could be, and probably the highlight of the PT. Oh and THAT music. The only mistake it made was killing off Maul (yeah I know TCW blah, blah, blah but they should have had Maul as Palpatine's apprentice up until Anakin turns).
ROTS should have been powerful; it has the emotion it needed, but it was just...silly. Standing on robots, twirly lightsaber thing, climbing up and down breaking buildings (felt like a boss fight from Bayonetta at times), then there's the only "high ground" thing (I get what it was meant to be showing, in terms of Anakin's arrogance). It, like so many other things in the PT, just wasn't handled very well.
Didn't care much for AOTC and Dooku. The rematch at the beginning of ROTS was somewhat better though.
Yoda should have never been given a lightsaber though, and neither should have Palpatine.
It's powerful though, even if it's not the prettiest (plus we got a saber throw, so there's that). It's one of the best scenes in Star Wars though, period.
I was leaning towards ESB next, but I'm honestly tempted to put TFA above it. It has so much going for it, and I really do love Kylo as a character. The duel with Rey probably showcases his personality more than anything else in the film. Plus, as silly as it seemed at its reveal, that lightsaber is awesome, and was handled, if you'll excuse the pun, in the right way.
Maul/Qui-Gon/Kenobi probably comes next, after ESB. It was a great showcase for how awesome Jedi could be, and probably the highlight of the PT. Oh and THAT music. The only mistake it made was killing off Maul (yeah I know TCW blah, blah, blah but they should have had Maul as Palpatine's apprentice up until Anakin turns).
ROTS should have been powerful; it has the emotion it needed, but it was just...silly. Standing on robots, twirly lightsaber thing, climbing up and down breaking buildings (felt like a boss fight from Bayonetta at times), then there's the only "high ground" thing (I get what it was meant to be showing, in terms of Anakin's arrogance). It, like so many other things in the PT, just wasn't handled very well.
Didn't care much for AOTC and Dooku. The rematch at the beginning of ROTS was somewhat better though.
Yoda should have never been given a lightsaber though, and neither should have Palpatine.
Starsailor
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Sho_Nuff82
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Wtf is with these thread titles?
Netherscourge
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The battle between Darth Maul and Obi Wan/Qui Gon was the best IMO. It was unique all-around.
Maul easily handled both of them - arrogance was the only reason he lost.
Maul easily handled both of them - arrogance was the only reason he lost.
Starsailor
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entremet
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Do you mean the use of "so"?
The Xtortionist
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Meaningless? Kylo engages because has a grudge against Finn, and has orders to capture Rey. He gravely wounds Finn, but also gets humbled and scarred by Rey, which will likely have significance going forward. Rey also levels up with the force.
Not that it has the emotional weight of Empire and Jedi's duels, but it certainly has both present and future implications.
Starsailor
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maybe using the force to attract objects, but not jumping jack flash please
reelbigtink
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1. Return of the Jedi
2. Empire
3. Force Awakens
4. A New Hope
Everything else has cartoons hopping around and I [do not want].
2. Empire
3. Force Awakens
4. A New Hope
Everything else has cartoons hopping around and I [do not want].
The last Kylo trick in this gif is absolutely amazing. He grap Rey lightsaber, take it to him, and push it very strongly to her. I was like o__o on this scene and we saw that yoda vs palpatine "dance fight" ten years ago.
Watch this:
I REALLY want to go see this movie again right now.
If nothing else this fight did a great job of showing Yoda's vulnerability and sadness at failure
I really need to rematch and get some more time away from Episode 7 before I can say for sure but as of now this is what I am feeling in terms of top 5.
1. Luke vs Vader (RotJ)
2. Luke vs Vader (ESB)
3. Kylo vs Finn/Rey (TFA)
4. Maul vs Obi-Wan/Qui-gon (TPM)
5. Dooku vs Anakin/Obi-Wan (RotS)
1. Luke vs Vader (RotJ)
2. Luke vs Vader (ESB)
3. Kylo vs Finn/Rey (TFA)
4. Maul vs Obi-Wan/Qui-gon (TPM)
5. Dooku vs Anakin/Obi-Wan (RotS)
I really dislike some of the disorienting close-ups.
EvilKatarn
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Third for me right after RotJ and ESB.
Prequel trilogy duels are stupid as shit. I don't even remember there being a saber fight at the end of episode 2.
Prequel trilogy duels are stupid as shit. I don't even remember there being a saber fight at the end of episode 2.
That's offensive to anime. Go watch Shigurui.
Obliterator
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Nothing tops Vader vs Luke at the end of Jedi in my opinion. The stakes are at their highest, the weight of emotions is huge, and you the viewer knows this is it. Its what the entire trilogy has been waiting for. Add in the Emperor being right there observing and the entire Rebel fleet battling for their lives just outside the Death Star window and its basically impossible to top it, at least with what we have so far.
But I would say TFA is the 2nd best fight. The lightsabers have real weight and lethality feeling to them. The only part that sucks is Rey randomly going Super Saiyan and owning Kylo Ren out of nowhere. That part felt pretty cheap
But I would say TFA is the 2nd best fight. The lightsabers have real weight and lethality feeling to them. The only part that sucks is Rey randomly going Super Saiyan and owning Kylo Ren out of nowhere. That part felt pretty cheap
SaganIsGOAT
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Nailed it
Man, maul vs obi wan is so good.
Maul had the high ground. :/
He underestimated Obi-Wan's power. ;_;
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