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So where does the end duel of The Force Awakens rank within all SW duels? [SPOILERS]
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kittenbreath
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Don't forget: "It's over, Anakin! I have the high ground!"
The defeat of the all-powerful Chosen One is rationalized by a new rule that has never been shown in practice, and is itself contradicted by the same character in Episode I.
80s Bad Guy
Banned
The only thing I liked about any of the PT is the Darth Maul fight, and I'd still put it slight over the Force Awakens one, though I can't wait to watch it again. Kylo was injured and Rey is such a novice. They're both going to get badass training. Just wait for the rematch.
But Jedi then Empire, Maul and then Awakens. For now.
But Jedi then Empire, Maul and then Awakens. For now.
I can get behind this 100%
Trickster
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Definitely not in the higher eschelons of jedi fights. Say what you want about the pre-quel trilogy, but their fights at least made jedi's and sith seem like they were feared/revered for a reason.
Outside of a few force tricks, Kylo and Rey felt like normal people using lightsabers. That or I am forgetting something amazing from the fights that others remember.
Outside of a few force tricks, Kylo and Rey felt like normal people using lightsabers. That or I am forgetting something amazing from the fights that others remember.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Absolutely top 3
So it makes perfect sense? You're comparing actual sith lords and Jedi council masters to untrained newbies decades after the fall of the Jedi.
The prequels made them look like circus acrobats, not warriors.
So it makes perfect sense? You're comparing actual sith lords and Jedi council masters to untrained newbies decades after the fall of the Jedi.
The prequels made them look like circus acrobats, not warriors.
RockTurtle
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eh it was ok. but there wasn't any tension felt. Finn vs Ren had more oomph to it cause it was a non-force vs a force user. then you have Rey with the manga power up.
i will admit it felt more realistic in the movements, which has its own appeal (they swung like the sabers had actual weight and wanted to *smash* their opponent's face or try to stab like a fencing sword), but i'll overlook it for now since it felt like newbies going at it and the next time they meet after training in hyperbolic jedi chamber i expect ninjas with backflips and shit. but i don't know if down to earth is what you want to aim for in its entirety.
and there's nothing wrong with them looking like "acrobats". Force users i think should feel out of this world abilities wise.
i will admit it felt more realistic in the movements, which has its own appeal (they swung like the sabers had actual weight and wanted to *smash* their opponent's face or try to stab like a fencing sword), but i'll overlook it for now since it felt like newbies going at it and the next time they meet after training in hyperbolic jedi chamber i expect ninjas with backflips and shit. but i don't know if down to earth is what you want to aim for in its entirety.
and there's nothing wrong with them looking like "acrobats". Force users i think should feel out of this world abilities wise.
Starsailor
Banned
Maybe Kylo won't be the same and will be more mechanic in 8, and totally cyborg-like in 9.
Like Ganondorf became Ganon.
So i think this fight, with Kylo more "human size" will be well ranked after the New Trilogy.
Maybe we will be dislike "mecha Kylo"
Like Ganondorf became Ganon.
So i think this fight, with Kylo more "human size" will be well ranked after the New Trilogy.
Maybe we will be dislike "mecha Kylo"
really liked the fight in the end of TFA, visuals were fantastic, so much emotions ....but that was like really way too short.
i also liked the darth maul fight in TPM, but it was ..unsatisfying as what happened
anyway this fight was cool as shit
also dual of fates track yoooooo <33333
i also liked the darth maul fight in TPM, but it was ..unsatisfying as what happened
anyway this fight was cool as shit
also dual of fates track yoooooo <33333
Pretty close to my rankings, although I would switch ANH and AotC. As bad as AotC's duels are, ANH's duel is just hilariously awful.
Starsailor
Banned
really liked the fight in the end of TFA, visuals were fantastic, so much emotions ....but that was like really way too short.
i also liked the darth maul fight in TPM, but it was ..unsatisfying as what happened
anyway this fight was cool as shit
also dual of fates track yoooooo <33333
I really think Duel of Fates will appear in 8 or 9 episode when Kylo will be a real Sith and Rey a great Jedi.
Good music are for the 4 finals gym leaders. Not the ratata vs roucool.
jokingbird
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Darth Maul was the only worthwhile thing to come out of TPM. They had to retcon his death to bring him back for the animated series he was so badass.
Rank for fights:
TPM
TFA
ROTJ
TESB
ROTS
ANH
AOTC
Rank for fights:
TPM
TFA
ROTJ
TESB
ROTS
ANH
AOTC
1. RotJ - Amazingly dramatic, with the music completing it
2. ESB - Really tense, you can sense how Luke is totally out of his league.
3. TFA - Good balance of everything, has stakes
4. ANH - It's the classic despite being very wooden
Far below them, all the prequel fights. Flippy Yoda was a bad joke, Emperor vs Windu was like comedy, Dooku was just a boring non-entity, Grievous is the avatar of all that is wrong with green screen Star Wars. Maul fight had some good moves but it was overlong, nonsensical, and let's face it, about 3 people who don't know each other fighting for no good reason. The Sith fight could've been salvaged with a better ending and cutting out like two thirds of the platforming.
At least the PT fights work great as Auralnauts dance numbers.
edit: Obi-Wan vs Jango was actually decent, but clearly not so memorable as I didn't even remember it at first.
2. ESB - Really tense, you can sense how Luke is totally out of his league.
3. TFA - Good balance of everything, has stakes
4. ANH - It's the classic despite being very wooden
Far below them, all the prequel fights. Flippy Yoda was a bad joke, Emperor vs Windu was like comedy, Dooku was just a boring non-entity, Grievous is the avatar of all that is wrong with green screen Star Wars. Maul fight had some good moves but it was overlong, nonsensical, and let's face it, about 3 people who don't know each other fighting for no good reason. The Sith fight could've been salvaged with a better ending and cutting out like two thirds of the platforming.
At least the PT fights work great as Auralnauts dance numbers.
edit: Obi-Wan vs Jango was actually decent, but clearly not so memorable as I didn't even remember it at first.
The Xtortionist
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Empire > Jedi >= TFA
TFA's duel is less emotionally meaningful, but the sound design and special effects are god tier. Tons of bass when Finn engages his saber, and the sounds of it clashing with Ren's were heavy as fuck in the theater. Also loved the illuminating effects of the sabers, the sparks, and the environment getting chopped up. So much energy and excitement. I can't wait to see it again.
TFA's duel is less emotionally meaningful, but the sound design and special effects are god tier. Tons of bass when Finn engages his saber, and the sounds of it clashing with Ren's were heavy as fuck in the theater. Also loved the illuminating effects of the sabers, the sparks, and the environment getting chopped up. So much energy and excitement. I can't wait to see it again.
He might still even be alive heh, least for something like Star Wars Rebel.
Trickster
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How does their "rank" matter?
And Luke suddenly making a one-in-a-million shot after turning off his targeting computer, despite no Jedi training in any sort of piloting or torpedo shooting, was earned?
It's the Force, the whole point is that you tap into it and you can do bullshit you couldn't normally.
Starsailor
Banned
Is there any gif for the Rey VS Kylo fight?
Crossing Eden
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Exactly, or that if they hadn't parried that they would've been killed.Because we feel in OT and NT (New Trilogy?) that they really have swords...not like in the PT where it's like sticks not heavy.
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Well considering the context, he handled 7 exhausted Jedi. Ahsoka every time she fights him spends most of the fights running away and or parrying.
His feats were easier to animate in 2D.
The tension was in just how unrefined the fight was and how much she was losing. The cinematography was so on point. The actors nailed the emotion as well.
Yeah, I'd say this is a pretty good breakdown. I'm sure the new trilogy will achieve similar levels of tension and drama in the coming instalments
Best SW duel right here:
So what tactical advantage do you get by doing sick sideflips during a swordfight... Sigh, what were they thinking??
UnemployedVillain
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Pretty low down. I'm honestly surprised people thought it was so good. The stop in the middle for Rey to concentrate was almost comical. The fight would've been MUCH better if it had started as it did (which was good), but the earthquake/ground split had interrupted them before it had "finished" so that there was no clear winner. You'd have had Rey holding her own, unlike Finn, without Ren losing or the nonsense force epiphany moment
Starsailor
Banned
This is the closest thing in the movie history we have for Link VS Ganondorf.
Holy... this is amazing
The Librarian
Banned
TFA > RotJ > ESB.
I loved everything about Rey's fight with Ren. Everything felt like it had weight with a sense you being right there. Tense, scary, empowering, heavy...and girl power.
Lots of girl power.
I loved everything about Rey's fight with Ren. Everything felt like it had weight with a sense you being right there. Tense, scary, empowering, heavy...and girl power.
Lots of girl power.
Man, Adam Driver gave such a good performance all around, but especially in the duel. Kylo feels exactly like what he is: an unstable but potent threat whose own issues are bleeding through (and out.) The moment when he tries to turn Rey... That could have easily been cheesy and I thought it was perfect. Aside from that, his physical mannerisms and attitude were on-point. I really think his performance in the following films is going to be phenomenal.
Starsailor
Banned
He's what we wanted for Anakin in ep 3..
"Sam, in this shot just walk forward and swing your lightsaber around. We're going to CGI Ian doing some neat flips around the room."
Maybe Palps was trying to get higher ground but couldn't quite find anything high enough.
Flintty
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This is the closest thing in the movie history we have for Link VS Ganondorf.
Holy... this is amazing
Fuck me, those gifs. I need to see the film again! The rawness is epic.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Is it "dated" to hold a camera still?
Subpar Spatula
Banned
5/7. Revenge of the Sith Annie vs Obi was cool.
Kylo Ren vs Finn and Rey didn't visually look powerful. I would think they would be stronger than casually swinging light sabers. Needed more force powers. The OT gets away with it because of the time it was produced but it's 2015 where you can make laser sword fights with space wizards more interesting and dynamic.
Kylo Ren vs Finn and Rey didn't visually look powerful. I would think they would be stronger than casually swinging light sabers. Needed more force powers. The OT gets away with it because of the time it was produced but it's 2015 where you can make laser sword fights with space wizards more interesting and dynamic.
Starsailor
Banned
This is not the best gif yet. I saw it last night by a gaffer.
That move when Kylo block Rey's lightsaber...and push it (but STILL BLOCK!) to her like the pure good side in the world and the most dark thing in the world encounter !
THIS fight was really bad vs good, light vs dark.... DAY VS NIGHT!
That move when Kylo block Rey's lightsaber...and push it (but STILL BLOCK!) to her like the pure good side in the world and the most dark thing in the world encounter !
THIS fight was really bad vs good, light vs dark.... DAY VS NIGHT!
CenturionKei
Banned
Cant compare to Phantom Menace. Jesus Christ. My mouth was wide open during the entire scene.
lastplayed
Member
Third for me
ROTJ
ESB
TFA
The prequel fights look cool but have zero emotion.
ROTJ
ESB
TFA
The prequel fights look cool but have zero emotion.
Bingo.
IMO, it's Empire and Jedi (not counting Boba Fett's death), then The Force Awakens (which is high praise, because damn JJ, you did a great job with this movie), then a big gap before the prequel trilogy.
Qui Gon dying in the Phantom Menace didn't even change the fight. Means Qui Gon didn't matter. But he was a duplicate of Obi Wan, so Obi Wan didn't matter either. I doubt Darth Maul even mattered in that fight. Just put one-to-three of these characters on the screen and have them dance.
The Auralnauts parody series actually beats the prequel fights with their recontextualized epic dance battles.
this fight was cool as shit
Qui Gon dying in the Phantom Menace didn't even change the fight. Means Qui Gon didn't matter. But he was a duplicate of Obi Wan, so Obi Wan didn't matter either. I doubt Darth Maul even mattered in that fight. Just put one-to-three of these characters on the screen and have them dance.
The Auralnauts parody series actually beats the prequel fights with their recontextualized epic dance battles.
Glass Shark
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1. Rey vs. Kylo, TFA
2. Luke vs. Vader, ESB
3. Luke vs. Vader / Emperor, RotJ
4. Obi-Wan vs. Vader, SW
5. Obi-Wan / Qui-Gon vs. Maul, TPM
6. Obi-Wan vs. Anakin, RotS
7-???. Everything else in the prequels
2. Luke vs. Vader, ESB
3. Luke vs. Vader / Emperor, RotJ
4. Obi-Wan vs. Vader, SW
5. Obi-Wan / Qui-Gon vs. Maul, TPM
6. Obi-Wan vs. Anakin, RotS
7-???. Everything else in the prequels
rootbeerafloat
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Every single Clone Wars video or gif I've ever seen just looks like the worst garbage ever. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
But yeah, for me, it's V > VI > VII > IV. Nothing else is worth discussing.
But yeah, for me, it's V > VI > VII > IV. Nothing else is worth discussing.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a tactical advantage but a cheap and dull way to visually show how powerful Jedi and Sith are. Would I be afraid if Kylo Ren came at me with a light saber? A little. If Anakin from PT came at me I'd be terrified because there's not much I can do against that stupid craziness.
StormyTheRabbit
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Anyone who rates Revenge of the Sith's duel above The Force Awakens duel is a literal idiot.
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