CHEEZMO
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Why are some people so racist against Muslims?
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RT is an incredibly shitty source but for different reasons.
Chuckie
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I did not know that was an infamous islamaphobic site.
Nevertheless it is a weak argument to call it self-referential (which all newssites do if they have follow-ups) or to ask for a reliable source when you yourself said you don't deny the attack.
It would have been better if you directly wrote the arguments you wrote in the post to me that I am now quoting, to him.
Is that even legal? Can't you bring this to the police or press? Because that is fucked up.
SoccerGoaliePro
Banned
What a disgusting way to look at it. It's not a competition bro. Humanity loses every single time.
I didn't mean "Christianity" was indigenous. I meant Assyrians and Armenians, which they are.
Sorry if you misunderstood me.
Get your BS faux outrage out of here. You know damn well I didn't mean it in any fucked up way.
It's the Muslims who obviously committed the crimes in that case, you know what I mean.
Muslims kill innocent non-Muslims, Christians kill innocent non-Christians. All because they don't share the same beliefs. Truly disgusting.
OttomanScribe
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You need to provide proof of your claim. You haven't, so I don't feel a need to give it any more time.
You said 'Muslims are behind most of the attacks on Jews'. You need to either provide proof for that claim, or go back on it.
Showing that Muslims are involved in some attacks is not sufficient evidence, because that is not my argument.
How am I to know that exactly? You get called out for being facetious at your own peril.
yeah, there is and was mistreatment of religious minorities in the ME and the muslim world. That's not a secret. So does that make the reverse or reprisals fair play ? why are taking you the thread off to another tangent ? but then again you have stated as much that you are ignorant and irrational. I'll add stupid to that as well.
also lol to anyone calling Russia Today a reputable news source
OttomanScribe
Member
Ha. I'm a liar now?
If that is your objection, then how does religion come into it? What does your idea of those groups specifically being 'Indigenous' (a strange claim indeed) have to do with anything?
Poohblaster
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Don't ask me I'm not a scientist. But the U.S. Census Bureau, political polling, scholarship committees, standardized tests, and my driver's license all seem to think it can be defined. Muslim has never been one of the options, but I think I'd check it if I had the chance.
OttomanScribe
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It is defined as a social construct, it doesn't have any scientific validity. Therefore 'race' as an attribute can be applied to anything from religion to types of food enjoyed.
You ever heard the term 'race thinking'?
RustyNails
Member
"I will tell a story about bad muslims storming my church in my native country and beheading my priest, BUT YOU SHALL PROVIDE YOUR SOURCES FOR YOUR STORIES OF MUSLIMS BEING HARASSED"
Get your head out of your ass.
Indrid Cold1
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Amongst the ignorant and fearful, I would imagine the main reason that muslims are distrusted and hated to be the fact that in recent times, people who identify as muslim have brought catastrophic death and destruction to innocent men, women, and children in every corner of the world.
9/11, Bali bombings, 7/7 attacks, Madrid train bombings, Beslan hostage crisis, Toulouse shootings, Benghazi diplomatic mission attack, the list goes on and on.
Your law abiding muslim minding his own business in the street is almost a victim of these attacks in his own right, as the way the media reports these tends to whip the ignorant and fearful into a frenzy. This is when he becomes "the enemy" by association.
9/11, Bali bombings, 7/7 attacks, Madrid train bombings, Beslan hostage crisis, Toulouse shootings, Benghazi diplomatic mission attack, the list goes on and on.
Your law abiding muslim minding his own business in the street is almost a victim of these attacks in his own right, as the way the media reports these tends to whip the ignorant and fearful into a frenzy. This is when he becomes "the enemy" by association.
FreeMufasa
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We're an easy target right now. And since we're not a homogenous race, ppl feel they're not racist.
EDIT: something ppl forget is we (average Muslim in da west) are also fearful of terrorist attacks. I was on da train on the failed London bombing a week after 7/7. You can bet I ducked out of there and was shitting bricks.
I told someone at work and his response. "But you're Muslim, they won't get you"
......seriously
EDIT: something ppl forget is we (average Muslim in da west) are also fearful of terrorist attacks. I was on da train on the failed London bombing a week after 7/7. You can bet I ducked out of there and was shitting bricks.
I told someone at work and his response. "But you're Muslim, they won't get you"
......seriously
That's my point! I'm trying to make a joke here about ridiculous claims for evidence.
It was a joke that I didn't convey, clearly, I admit.
I don't know if you are a liar. It was a badly said joke.
They were attacked because of their religion. The only reason why I identified them as "indigenous" is because someone was trying to make a point about Christian states vs. Muslim states, and I was just trying to make it clear that these aren't foreigners or something. That's all.
You didn't read what I wrote? I said that what happened to that man was terrible. I wasn't condoning it in anyway. I'm just trying to highlight another tragedy, as well. Like I said, I already stated that it didn't condone anything, and that what happened to this guy was terrible.
BTW, please avoid name calling. I don't know you, and you don't know me, but I assure you that I'm no dummy. Doing so only makes you look bad.
This is not politically correct to say, but statistically I would distrust a Muslim faster than I would distrust an atheist - the former are more likely to support things I object to such as religious law.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
The Christian race HATEs the Muslim race
OttomanScribe
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So, I'm confused, what was your point in the end? Would you say that the example you used is in any way exceptional? Either in terms of intercommunal violence in Iraq more generally, or even religious violence more generally. Your initial thing was using an example of discrimination against Muslims within 'Christendom' as a jumping off point for...
My initial example was what? I honestly don't know what you're asking me here.
Napalm_Frank
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Atheists are the master race :3
OttomanScribe
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I'm asking you what your point was. From here it looks like an attempt to lessen the problem of racist attacks against a muslims through your example of an unrelated act of violence in a country in the midst of a civil war.
I'm sure you would disagree with that characterisation, so I'm asking you to clarify.
Despite the fact that I've already listed examples from far before this time? There are also plenty of examples of attacks going on currently in Egypt, Pakistan, Nigeria, etc.
My point was simple. What happened to this man was terrible, but I wish some more attention could also be paid to the plight of Christians in Muslim countries. That's all.
Angelus Errare
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Pretty soon we're just going to have to ask who aren't people racist against.
This coupled with your avatar had me laughing.
This coupled with your avatar had me laughing.
dark_chris
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neobiz
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Why does any group of people hate any other group of people?
That wasn't in NPR. It was in Land O' Lakes (I've spent pretty much my entire life in LO'L). The majority of the population is normal run of the mill folks but not long ago you would have considered it a 'hick' town. There was maybe a handfull of minority kids in my highschool (close to 20 years ago).
It irritates me that my wife and kids shop at that Wal Mart but hopefully nothing like that happens during the day.
I would have beat the living shit out that guy after I realized it wasn't a 'real' gun. I give props to the victim for not pulling the gun he was carrying and shooting the attacker dead.
That wasn't in NPR. It was in Land O' Lakes (I've spent pretty much my entire life in LO'L). The majority of the population is normal run of the mill folks but not long ago you would have considered it a 'hick' town. There was maybe a handfull of minority kids in my highschool (close to 20 years ago).
It irritates me that my wife and kids shop at that Wal Mart but hopefully nothing like that happens during the day.
I would have beat the living shit out that guy after I realized it wasn't a 'real' gun. I give props to the victim for not pulling the gun he was carrying and shooting the attacker dead.
List goes both ways....
Here's just an example:
Continued support for dictators in Muslim countries
Chechynia
Palestine/Israel issue
Kashmir, and Babri Mosque
Muslims in China
Muslims in Burma
Bosnia
Iraq
Afghanistan
Drone attacks killing innocent people in Pakistan
etc...
OttomanScribe
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Picture this. You create a thread, say, about that priest getting killed. Then I come in and start talking about Srebrenica, Sabra and Shatila... all the work of your co-religionists.
Now tell me that wouldn't be not only ridiculous, but freaking tasteless. It is like some morbid Kanye West thread bomb thing, 'I'ma let you discuss the oppression that this thread is about, but here, listen to this relatively unrelated other oppression'.
At best it is a non-sequitur, at worst it looks like you are trying to say that they had it coming.
OttomanScribe
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What?
Humanism: valuing people individually and globally. An example of humanism is being wholly anti-war, since it undoubtedly causes casualties.
Regarding "living life to its fullest," many religions emphasize moral guidelines or meditation in order to enjoy life. This philosophical side of religion doesn't strike me as dangerous (although, misapplied it can be).
Regarding "living life to its fullest," many religions emphasize moral guidelines or meditation in order to enjoy life. This philosophical side of religion doesn't strike me as dangerous (although, misapplied it can be).
OttomanScribe
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So the reason that people are racist against Muslims is because some Muslims don't follow the same ideology as you?
Also I know what humanism is, and your definition is... not one that I would agree with.
Monumental
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What I always find hilarious are the torrent of people who rush into these topics solely to point out that Muslims are not a race.
I always imagine these masters of observation and keen intellect to then promptly pump their chests and fist pump into the air as if its some remarkable accomplishment and the thread must now be concluded.
I always imagine these masters of observation and keen intellect to then promptly pump their chests and fist pump into the air as if its some remarkable accomplishment and the thread must now be concluded.
Dude, don't bother any further. The thread has run it's course. Now you're just left with the ignorant, the daft, and the purposefully-obtuse.
Case in point.
Kite
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This is correct.
Monumental
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I'd wager more catastrophic death and destruction has befallen on innocent Muslim men, women, and children in Palestine, Burma and Iraq.
None of which was due to terrorism done in the name of Islam.
Few problems: Islam is not a race. They're the enemy du jour for the USA, however.
Humanism is not an exact concept. The essentials are still about valuing humanity on an individual basis.
OttomanScribe
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Islam, while not being a race, is on the whole 'racialised' in a phenomenon that is becoming increasingly widely recognised. Discrimination against Muslims has an undeniably racial character with alarming regularity.
I didn't say it was an exact concept, merely that your definition would probably not be agreed with by many humanists.
OttomanScribe
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Care to expand on your statistics to include you know, attacks per capita. How many Muslims are there in America? How many Jews? According to wiki anyway, there are two times as many Jews as Muslims. Which doesn't negate the severity of anti-Jewish violence, but certainly shows that, proportionally, violence against both groups is far higher than against any other.
So you have not supported your assertion. Your quoting of percentages of attacks without references to percentage of the general population is misleading.
No, this is what you said:
Which does not support your argument. Showing two cases of Arabs (you did not ascertain their religion) attacking Jews does not support your case in any meaningful way. It is what is called anecdotal evidence.
I asked for stats that supported your assertion. You didn't provide them.
80-90% eh? Prove it. Show me where you got that stat from? Or are you making it up?
I don't feel like I am being childish in asking you to support your assertions with more than anecdotal evidence from Islamaphobic websites and stats that mislead. I think it far more likely that you are prone towards certain sources of information, that deliberately emphasise a specific narrative, than there is a global pogrom against the Jews by Muslims. Relations have certainly worsened since the creation of the state of Israel, but asserting that Anti-Semitism is driven by Muslims is patently ridiculous.
RustyNails
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It doesn't matter. It's brown people, and the people who align with them are just as worse. In the end, the victim's (and his family's) pain is not eased if he was killed for following a particular religion or being member of a particular ethnicity. Bigotry manifested itself, just like it did in the NYC Subway murder.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
And THAT, friends, is your answer..no more no less. Pretty sad..
The handicap parking has got to be for a mental disablilty and not physical.
Rhomega Beta
Member
3 Things About Islam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w
Also:
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com
http://www.jihadwatch.org
EDIT: Just to be clear, I don't trust them myself. I just get them linked a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w
Also:
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com
http://www.jihadwatch.org
EDIT: Just to be clear, I don't trust them myself. I just get them linked a lot.
OttomanScribe
Member
Hahaha.
No.
The video is brain hurtingly bad, and wrong in so many ways that I guffawed a little bit.
The claims it makes are either malicious, or wilfully ignorant of the traditions it claims to be educating people about. These are testable claims. For example 'the Qur'an is meant to be taken literally and is not full of symbolism' is not only contradicted by the work of tafsir, but also by just.. you know, reading it. Only 4% is legal rulings, which is why the majority of legal rulings are sourced not from the Qur'an, but from the hadith.
It then asserts the doctrine of naskh (abrogation) is a historiographical exercise, which it is not. The way it works is complicated and dependant upon which juristic theory one is using.
It then makes the assumption that the only way that people interpret the Bible and the Torah is the way that they do, which is incorrect. There are Jews, for example, that maintain that the punishment for apostasy, as espoused in Jewish religious law, quite explicitly, is death by stoning.
It then goes on talk about 'Sha'riah law', without a definition. Which is a failure in and of itself.
Then it goes on about creeping Shar'iah lol. Doesn't acknowledge the fact that religious 'courts' exist for all major religions in a number of countries. A contract made under the Sha'riah is a contract like any other in Western law.
Meh. Usual uninformed fear mongering stuff.
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