Okay so what I just said then. They revealed a product that got a really poor reception so they switched some policies pre release to attempt to get people back on board. Perhaps they realize the importance of the launch window and decided that it was best to be flexible. I still don't understand how that's a bad thing. Maybe if Nintendo had been able to adapt to the market, their hardware and software numbers wouldn't be so bad right now.
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Microsoft Confirms 53MHz GPU Speed Upgrade For Xbox One
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Okay so what I just said then. They revealed a product that got a really poor reception so they switched some policies pre release to attempt to get people back on board. Perhaps they realize the importance of the launch window and decided that it was best to be flexible. I still don't understand how that's a bad thing. Maybe if Nintendo had been able to adapt to the market, their hardware and software numbers wouldn't be so bad right now.
Audible Phonetics
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interesting a thread spawned this many pages off a topic MS literally spent seconds on.
tfur
Member
Ah... the extremely trained eye, zero effect and guarantee's...
So basically they have the moral conviction of every multi-billion dollar company in existence? ie. none at all.
SEGAvangelist
Member
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576869&highlight=
Lots of talk about a GPU down clock in that thread.
EDIT: God that thread is hilarious now.
SwiftDeath
Member
That actually makes me feel better about it then
I'll have to listen to the podcast after work
I suppose it wouldn't matter to the general public anyways
I mean 53MHz upgrade isn't really a selling point
Actually, -you- can't "guarantee" anything.
And you don't need "an extremely trained eye" to see visual differences in games, if you have better memory + better GPU in your system.
Those gains! That's a 313% increase!
Xbudz
Member
My CBOAT translation:
"Yes, you'd love that wouldn't you? Hehehe. Dude called me out for what? [Hold onto your loss] and stay mad like [Mikkelsen]"
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"Darn right I cleared that up. Six days ago. A 200mhz increase was a pipedream for mad men. I'm sorry, just, no."
[Edits in brackets] - Mads Mikkelsen plays Hannibal, I didn't know.
The ps2 was weaker than the GC and Xbox and it dominated that gen
Goodacre0081
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how was a person a factor here, wouldn't the big moneyhat be the factor? Mojang would have brought Minecraft to all platforms if possible.
And what component did they switch out here?
Canis lupus
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I'm not getting an Xbox(at launch) but its good news for multiplat games in general. A chain is as strong as its weakest link.
That turned out to be bullshit. Only trust CBOAT.
That turned out to be bullshit. Only trust CBOAT.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Indeed.
I think it was more in line with "We're getting close to launch and everything is coming together nicely. In fact we were able to increase the clock by 53MHz". Then a bunch of people went "Yay" and another group went "so fucking what" because the internet happened.
Did the same poster make the two statements that you have quoted?
Would you mind linking me to those posts? I'm assuming you've viewed them recently if you copied them verbatim.
Audible Phonetics
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cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
FranXico
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It will, alright.
Just keep in mind that an upclock is likely to stretch their chances as far as yields are concerned. It probably won't happen, but if 360 launch time failure rate repeats itself, we'll be able to guess why.
SEGAvangelist
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My point was that the rumor was about a down clock for the GPU.
CambriaRising
Member
We knew that ages ago
Way longer than that:
http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/
The graphs have been taken down, but they were even more ludicrous.
We knew that ages ago
God damn, if I could experience the amount of self-satisfaction that Angry Joe must have from this GIF even just once in my life, I would die happy.
This is true of every gen.
Only now is there this belief among Sony stans that third parties will suddenly start developing based on the "most powerful" hardware for the first time in history.
Diablohead
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Zombie James
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Which makes this all the more risky. Assuming the Xbone is already in manufacturing and this 53MHz bump is part of the day one patch, it means these units manufactured up to this point haven't been tested at these new speeds.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Good work. The Stargate team have some symbols they need you to look at.
FranXico
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Microsoft is one classy company, I'll give you that.
SEGAvangelist
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Why would they not test it?
Gemüsepizza
Member
What do you even want to say? That having the most powerful console somehow prevents a company from winning a generation? The PS4 is not only more powerful, it also is cheaper and has incredible first party and third party support. And it will launch at the same time as the competition
Xbudz
Member
Thanks.
FranXico
Member
I doubt it. They probably have already tested the hardware at all clock speeds they could set it at.
The moderate increase in clock speed suggests that it should be quite safe, but, as I just posted above, one never knows.
I imagine the reason it's a small increase and a relatively weird number is that's it's more or less a free upclock in terms of yield. The tolerance of a chip can vary a bit from paper to when you actually get your hands on the final chips. If yields were an issue they probably wouldn't have bothered at this stage.
statham
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you have some mad skillz
Hi Rocco. You seem to have missed my post so I'll ask again. I'd like to track this poster down because I enjoy mocking idiots, but I simply can't find one at the moment:
Did the same poster make the two statements that you have quoted?
Would you mind linking me to those posts? I'm assuming you've viewed them recently if you copied them verbatim.
Cheers Rocco.
Console wars. begun they have!
I have been in every single one. even Atari 2600 versus Bally Astrocade.
Well shit, if that's logic, so is the third console curse!
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RoadHazard
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Oh man.
Yes, the most powerful console has typically ended up in second place or so (N64 did, Xbox did, PS3 did), but that wasn't because they were the most powerful! Believing that to be the case is so utterly ridiculous. There are countless other factors involved. Of course, being the most powerful usually means you are also the most expensive, which is of course a problem. Not so this time around. For the first time ever (?) the most powerful console is also the cheapest (not counting Wii U, but I don't think it is really part of this particular conversation).
ThisWreckage
Banned
I don't know if you're being obtuse or what but when a company is so completely out of touch with the consumer that they have to double back on what they were touting as the future of gaming that is a terrible thing. The same morons that devised such a terrible anti consumer campaign with such arrogance (besides Mattrick) are still with the company. It took them getting their asses handed to them in pre orders to realize what a terrible fucking idea their philosophy was in the first place. It was insane when Crazy Ken Kutaragi did it and it is insane now.
prag16
Banned
Maybe they want to improve their product, but this certainly isn't evidence they "care" about anybody or anything, other than their bottom line. Let's not be silly.
He's wrong on the actor reference but overall it's close.
Super Nintendo dude , and thats usually because the more powerful consoles come out late.
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