GAF goes after whatever becomes visible. Oftentimes people become representative of "issues" and a major response occurs. Whether or not those people are, in reality, the source or focal point of those "issues" is an entirely different conversation. GAF can and will attack individuals and I don't think we can separate that from "the issues."
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EDGE: "Meet NeoGAF, the hardcore community shaping the games media agenda"
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I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
tbh not adjusting the photo probably counts as honest journalism.
No, they will push for their staff not to be fucking retarded.
Man, this is why I miss you as an editor.
Dat Jeff Green wisdom
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
I've gotten banned a few times already. That's the last time that will ever happen. Promise!
And i'm not really a junior.
RebornYeti
Member
I spent way too much time making this...
Vigilant Walrus
Member
I know some people who work in "games journalism" who are pretty big, who have tried applying for membership for GAF for years. This is the only site I know of its kind that has such selective and moderate influx of people. It's there is a control group that keeps too many people from posting, or too many new faces at once. And the bad apples usually end up getting banned fast.
It might be elitistic but I think that's why this forum is not youtube-level-gaming comments. The various games OT's work like a sub-reddit. Within those spheres of sub communities a single person can spread information and good. That's whats so cool. Thats the key.
If your part of the battlefield 3 gang, your going to see people post who are completely different from the guild wars 2 guys, or the starcraft 2 OT. lots of spice of life.
It might be elitistic but I think that's why this forum is not youtube-level-gaming comments. The various games OT's work like a sub-reddit. Within those spheres of sub communities a single person can spread information and good. That's whats so cool. Thats the key.
If your part of the battlefield 3 gang, your going to see people post who are completely different from the guild wars 2 guys, or the starcraft 2 OT. lots of spice of life.
Taking this article as some kind of GAF praise is a little naive. Although, in the defense of some, Edge was rather slick with their wording.
I like how they imply that GAF is responsible for people getting fired - or tarnishing their rep - when it's these websites that monitor this forum in search for any material that can bring in some hits. Our discussions generally stay here until media sites like Edge publicize them. There's nothing wrong with that, unless of course, you then blame GAF for the fallout from all that attention.
GAF is a great and vital source for a look at how hardcore gamers(ie: people who are passionate about gaming as a hobby, not to be confused with COD-only playing kiddies) feel about certain matters involving their hobby. There's great responsibility in that, but that hardly makes this forum such the influential entity, in and of itself.
I like how they imply that GAF is responsible for people getting fired - or tarnishing their rep - when it's these websites that monitor this forum in search for any material that can bring in some hits. Our discussions generally stay here until media sites like Edge publicize them. There's nothing wrong with that, unless of course, you then blame GAF for the fallout from all that attention.
GAF is a great and vital source for a look at how hardcore gamers(ie: people who are passionate about gaming as a hobby, not to be confused with COD-only playing kiddies) feel about certain matters involving their hobby. There's great responsibility in that, but that hardly makes this forum such the influential entity, in and of itself.
Alcoholikaust
Member
Just remember to not post any scans.....
Karsticles
Member
If you need any member interviewees about what it's like to be a NeoGAF poster, you just let me know. ;-)
peanutbutterlatte
Member
And boom goes the dynamite.
Chaplain
Member
This has been increasing a lot in the last few years because GAF is now breaking news before other sites are. What GAF has been doing for many (and continues to do so) is eliminating the need to go to websites that pay their journalists to cover stories.
GAF also makes news now (like with always online). Other sites just report it. Why go to any other sight besides GAF, when their news is not as up to date as ours?
What I personally see is that GAF will set the standard, and normal game sites will go the way of magazines in the next few years (not important to the average gamer). But this is *dependent* on the posters here at GAF.
squidhands
Member
No mention in the article of GAF's extremely helpful wild-marsupial-in-the-bathroom advice is very disturbing and a poor show of journalistic integrity.
The Elite
BOSS
I believe there was an offer from IGN.
This. GAF has become the true aggregate of all the game news on the web. I used to go to IGN, Gametrailers, etc, but I don't need to, haven't had to for years and years.
WrenchNinja
Member
But Luigi hats are no problem.
Mass Effect
Member
Really? When?
WrenchNinja
Member
He already has an account at GAF.
Incendiary
Banned
Yeah, this is pretty much true. I don't go to any gaming journalist websites anymore. All the gaming news I need is usually broken on GAF and I'll find the thread sooner or later. Gaming journalists trying to cling to their relevance is probably a huge reason why a lot of them see GAF as a threatening place.
TalesOfWin
Banned
probably when all ign insiders jumped ship to neogaf.
I cant believe I once pay for those messageboards.
CrunchyFrog
Member
Never fails to be an Amirox comment in one of these.
At the same time, it's kind of an unsettling realization that any post here probably gets viewed by thousands upon thousands who follow ever so closely yet ever so quietly. It kind of puts the public internet as a whole in perspective, at least for me.
One issue is that even on GAF you've sometimes got to sift through a lot of shit to get to the really solid information and discussion. Perhaps not quite as much as on other boards, but being the internet it's still there. Not to mention binary polarization can happen a lot in various threads to the point of drowning one side out, however informed or uninformed it may be. Not to mention that not being held to any kind of journalistic standard, GAF gets just as many things wrong as it does right.
At the same time, it's kind of an unsettling realization that any post here probably gets viewed by thousands upon thousands who follow ever so closely yet ever so quietly. It kind of puts the public internet as a whole in perspective, at least for me.
One issue is that even on GAF you've sometimes got to sift through a lot of shit to get to the really solid information and discussion. Perhaps not quite as much as on other boards, but being the internet it's still there. Not to mention binary polarization can happen a lot in various threads to the point of drowning one side out, however informed or uninformed it may be. Not to mention that not being held to any kind of journalistic standard, GAF gets just as many things wrong as it does right.
von Stroheim
Member
NEOGAF: Always on!
But it's the Year of Luigi! Plus, I was already wearing a Mario hat so it was an easy edit.
It doesn't harm the article in any way, but there's a palpable resentment or hostility coming from it, however understated. Look at that awful headline. "shaping the games media agenda?" What's their agenda? How are we "shaping it?"
I actually don't think that there's a blurring of the lines between media and community in gaming. I mean, in so far as the communication is much more frequent and transparent, and both parties are holding each other accountable (for media > community angle, refer to Rock Paper Shotgun and their article in response to the poor comments on their female writer) then yeah they're more interconnected. But that's not the same thing. This seems more like a response to the perceived friction being caused by a noticeable amount of GAF user distrust of large gaming media websites.
But they serve some roles that makes homogenization impossible. Media establishments tend to consolidate into unified voices (read: publications, websites) that are in part devoted to speaking to the gaming industry. Communities can't really do this as well. Communities, however, do tend to be better representative of that very driving factor in this circus that EDGE is kind of responding to: gamers.
Apparently NeoGAF's admissions have been noticeably higher in recent years, and the same goes with bans dished out too. My guess is that either this relative high admission rate continues and/or the place gets a new moderator or two every year.
I actually don't think that there's a blurring of the lines between media and community in gaming. I mean, in so far as the communication is much more frequent and transparent, and both parties are holding each other accountable (for media > community angle, refer to Rock Paper Shotgun and their article in response to the poor comments on their female writer) then yeah they're more interconnected. But that's not the same thing. This seems more like a response to the perceived friction being caused by a noticeable amount of GAF user distrust of large gaming media websites.
But they serve some roles that makes homogenization impossible. Media establishments tend to consolidate into unified voices (read: publications, websites) that are in part devoted to speaking to the gaming industry. Communities can't really do this as well. Communities, however, do tend to be better representative of that very driving factor in this circus that EDGE is kind of responding to: gamers.
Apparently NeoGAF's admissions have been noticeably higher in recent years, and the same goes with bans dished out too. My guess is that either this relative high admission rate continues and/or the place gets a new moderator or two every year.
The one situation where always online DRM would work.
Cornbread78
Member
Very interesting... Would be great if he stepped up and postedm but he probably still too pissed he got canned....
Honestly I think people here are being a bit too defensive. All Edge did was look at NeoGAF's influence in light of the current always on incident and then a previous few highly publicised incidents from before. The only suggestion with regards for the guy getting fired is that if GAF was some weird forum full of fanboys the story would have never gotten the traction it did, in fact it may not have bee broken at all. This is the power of GAF as a forum and its members that do a lot of detective work, much better than what many journalists seem to do.
Hypereides
Member
So does this make Malka the Zuckerberg of the social gaming community?
CrunchyFrog
Member
So does this make Malka the Zuckerberg of the social gaming community?
Not nearly the worldwide cultural impact, but as far as being financially unchained at a young age? Pretty much. He's cultivated a nice community here, not perfect, but as close to it I've seen yet as far as gaming discussion goes.
Lord_Byron28
Member
The mods most definitely do in my experience and usually pretty swiftly. The mods can't he everywhere at once. If you have issues with a post you can report to a mod.
Aquamarine
Member
Website loyalty / habit, exclusive features + editorials + reviews, and allegiance to site-specific forums will sustain gaming websites for the time being.
GAF is a crowdsourced journalism + investigation + discussion + content aggregate platform. Combine so many dedicated people willing to submit / analyze articles at a moment's notice and strict moderation and you have something no other dedicated game website can touch.
But that doesn't necessarily mean other game websites don't have a role in all of this. If GAF didn't content aggregate from other game sites at all, its quality would dip significantly. It's the holistic combination of all GAF's elements that make it such an enjoyable place to frequent.
That's why it's imperative that new threads don't post the entire topic in quotes. The original sources need their ad revenue, ESPECIALLY quality gaming editorials.
For every one person who replies to your post, hundreds of GAF members have scrutinized it and thousands of lurkers will look over it. GAF's design (only four major forums) promotes this. Comments aren't locked away under thousands of game-specific subforums but out in the open where everyone can critique it. It's quite exhilarating, honestly. Especially when you start to gain a name for yourself and get tagged + people recognize you.
Honestly, I find GAF to be the most public platform out of any major gaming site out there to voice your opinions. It's like a digital version of the Roman Forum.
Can't thank EviLore enough for promoting non-descript ads with no popups and no video content. I also love how the desktop version of the site stays relatively PC-centric and doesn't shoehorn itself into a bloated Web 2.0 tablet-esque version with a whole bunch of wasted space.
Orth made a topic about his girlfriend who like dolphin porn, he got scared and ran to the bathroom, but there he saw a possum, who scared the shit out of him. He came to GAF to ask for advice, so we told him to feed it pizza. He was out of food in his house, so Adam Orth went to his neighbor's house, a 49-year old Korean lady. And she didn't have any pizza. But she was hot and somehow they ended up having sex, and to make it up for the lack of pizza, she started buying him tons of stuff. But Adam discovered she was married. But the sex was so good she decided to let his old girlfriend go. The excuse? "I think vaginas are gross. I can't really approach them".
When Orth was showing of his new pickups in the Pick Up Thread, people got suspicious how the guy had so much money, and eventually they found out he was a Microsoft employee.