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i though they dropped 1600p for 1080p and dropped 4xmsaa to run the Samaritan on one GPU but really 720p that is way to low for next gen with upscaling to 1080p or hell to 1600p you loose way to much detail.
Meanwhile, you took comments from another anonymous dev as confirmation that Wii U is weaker than current gen.
Oh Gaf...
Oh, and by the way, I'm suspicious of the legitimacy of this person as well, so don't try to flip the hypocrisy card back at me.
So I don't blame people for wanting to take a "wait and see" or "believe it when I see it" approach, but this isn't just coming from nowhere. It's coming from a dev who says that he has seen it first hand.
Where is his source? Is it just a forum post? You want us to believe that? At least the rumors about it being only slightly more powerful than current gen have multiple rumor reports from reputable sites.
E3 will probably clarify nothing, because Nintendo does not release specs.Truth is that nobody really knows much right now and E3 will probably clarify most of the questions.
E3 will probably clarify nothing, because Nintendo does not release specs.
Nintendo fans will be out in full force salivating over off-screen videos of Zelda or something and proclaiming them to be undeniable proof that the Wii U is incredibly powerful. Detractors will take the worst framebuffer grab of a 3rd party game they can find and run with it.
People trying to do actual analysis will be called biased by both sides.
Some people earlier in this thread wanted to know why this has to turn into a debate on whether UE4 is or isn't coming to Wii U... that's because it is rumored to be coming to Wii U.
Other want to argue about how it's not gonna happen and why are people "begging" for it to happen. Maybe because it's rumored to have already happened.
and I really just wanted to chime in with a quote from the anonymous dev that told us about UE4 being up and running on Wii U in the first place after he saw this bit of news.
So I don't blame people for wanting to take a "wait and see" or "believe it when I see it" approach, but this isn't just coming from nowhere. It's coming from a dev who says that he has seen it first hand.
Plinko said:To be fair, there are multiple rumor reports from reputable sites stating it is much more powerful than current gen as well.
Truth is that nobody really knows much right now and E3 will probably clarify most of the questions.
I agree. I see no point in not releasing the specs -- they'll be known soon enough anyway.Yup. This is the most accurate scenario, and one of the reasons why I find GAF nowadays so tiring. Hell, it's already begun. Nintendo should just shit or get off the pot after E3 - tell us what's in the damn thing. It doesn't have to be something that gets a ton of coverage, but just tell it and let it be known so people who give a shit can ignore it, and those that don't can move on with their lives.
You better get use to it. IQ and resolution is again going to be sacrificed for eye candy. It's a shame really.720p with FXAA would suck hard. Hate the way it looks on a bigger screen. Sure the edges are smooth but in motion it still looks weird. Definitely not something I'd expect to see next-gen.
Still doesn't mean that you should instantly believe some and discredit others. This has been a serious issue on both sides, and the fact of the matter is that you just know if someone is lying or not telling the whole truth. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Selectively choosing to believe things that support your own beliefs is completely pointless.Where is his source? Is it just a forum post? You want us to believe that? At least the rumors about it being only slightly more powerful than current gen have multiple rumor reports from reputable sites.
Koralsky said:Original Crysis on consoles says hello...
BurntPork is correct and his assertion completely reasonable. "Anonymous" reports should be ignored from both sides of the coin. Good god, why does this feel like politics?
There were many downgrades necessary to run Crysis on consoles. Putting it on a different engine didn't turn the game into magic. The engine, however, was designed with streaming memory constraints and other console-necessities in mind (unlike the original). That was part of what made it possible along with those massive downgrades in IQ, geometry, lighting, etc. At the same time, the original Crysis being on these ancient boxes should tell you all you need to know about the laws of scalability and how they apply to weaker next gen consoles (i.e. Wii U). Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3 are 2 more examples of scalability.
People expect UE4 to make Samaritan graphics possible on lower end hardware. That's completely wrong. All the drawing operations necessary to render Samaritan in UE3 are exactly the same in number in UE4
Why would Epic be cheeky about UE4 running on Wii U?
What possible benefit would their be to Nintendo for them to come out with a quote like in the OP?
NDAs. Just saying, that's a very good reason to not say anything. :lol
Still doesn't mean that you should instantly believe some and discredit others. This has been a serious issue on both sides, and the fact of the matter is that you just know if someone is lying or not telling the whole truth. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Selectively choosing to believe things that support your own beliefs is completely pointless.
THIS is the source/rumor BlackNMild2k1's post was referring to (thanks, Sho Nuff). Forgive me if tend to believe big reputable gaming sites over a poster on the nintendoworldreport.com forums. Ugh.
You're a monumental idiot for believing either.
You're a monumental idiot for believing either.
But they are saying things...
Was name-calling necessary?
Is it not reasonable to believe the big gaming sites over this poster on the nintendoworldreport.com forums? Try to post with a little objectivity once in a while.
E3 will probably clarify nothing, because Nintendo does not release specs.
Nintendo fans will be out in full force salivating over off-screen videos of Zelda or something and proclaiming them to be undeniable proof that the Wii U is incredibly powerful. Detractors will take the worst framebuffer grab of a 3rd party game they can find and run with it.
People trying to do actual analysis will be called biased by both sides.
Not necessarily. I knew about Mega Man 9 over a year before it was revealed but I never posted about it because I couldn't reveal my source and had zero additional evidence. If I had I would have been just some poster but I would have been right.Was name-calling necessary?
Is it not reasonable to believe the big gaming sites over this poster on the nintendoworldreport.com forums? Try to post with a little objectivity once in a while.
And that IGN rumor was the only one that made that assertion, while there have been multiple rumors from different sites saying it's only slightly more powerful than current gen. Where there's smoke there's fire. It's not "idiotic" to believe that.
E3 will probably clarify nothing, because Nintendo does not release specs.
Nintendo fans will be out in full force salivating over off-screen videos of Zelda or something and proclaiming them to be undeniable proof that the Wii U is incredibly powerful. Detractors will take the worst framebuffer grab of a 3rd party game they can find and run with it.
People trying to do actual analysis will be called biased by both sides.
"You guys are foolish to believe that anonymous source! You should believe this anonymous source!"Yeah lol Heavy what a Nintendo hater, he doesn't believe a post from a guy on a Nintendo-centric forum who has a "super duper reliable source", but instead believes there's more credibility to the multiple gaming sites hinting at it being a little more powerful than current gen. Stupid cookie monster.
Not all rumors deserve equal consideration. Or doubt, for that matter.Nope.
One of the very first rumors from websites was that Wii U was packing a 1TFLOP gpu (5x 360) in the early dev kits. Then numerous sites reported rumors that dev kits around E3 2011 had an rv770 which is a 0.9 to 1TFLOP gpu. Then there was a separate rumor that those same dev kits were overheating, which would make sense since the rv770 runs a bit hot and would have needed to be downclocked. Then we heard the 5x rumor from IGN. Where there's smoke, there's fire, right?
But you'd be an idiot to believe those rumors as well because they're rumors. I wasn't namecalling, I was stating the fact that only an idiot would outright believe any of these rumors without concrete evidence.
"Doubt is an uncomfortable condition, but certainty is a ridiculous one." ~ Voltaire
THIS is the source/rumor BlackNMild2k1's post was referring to (thanks, Sho Nuff). Forgive me if tend to believe big reputable gaming sites over a poster on the nintendoworldreport.com forums. Ugh.
Yeah lol Heavy what a Nintendo hater, he doesn't believe a post from a guy on a Nintendo-centric forum who has a "super duper reliable source", but instead believes there's more credibility to the multiple gaming sites hinting at it being a little more powerful than current gen. Stupid cookie monster.
Not all rumors deserve equal consideration. Or doubt, for that matter.
Nope.
One of the very first rumors from websites was that Wii U was packing a 1TFLOP gpu (5x 360) in the early dev kits. Then numerous sites reported rumors that dev kits around E3 2011 had an rv770 which is a 0.9 to 1TFLOP gpu. Then there was a separate rumor that those same dev kits were overheating, which would make sense since the rv770 runs a bit hot and would have needed to be downclocked. Then we heard the 5x rumor from IGN. Where there's smoke, there's fire, right?
But you'd be an idiot to believe those rumors as well because they're rumors. I wasn't namecalling, I was stating the fact that only an idiot would outright believe any of these rumors without concrete evidence.
"Doubt is an uncomfortable condition, but certainty is a ridiculous one." ~ Voltaire
It was a forum post on nintendoworldreport.com.Also, your original post discredited it due to being from an anonymous dev. Way to move goalposts!
You are bringing up really old rumors. IGN was the only major site that said the 5x 360 thing as well.
It was a forum post on nintendoworldreport.com.
Like wolf said, not all rumors deserve equal consideration.
You are bringing up really old rumors. IGN was the only major site that said the 5x 360 thing as well.
Tell ya what kid, let's make a ban bet since you'resuch a dumbassso sure about the wiiu<360 rumors. If the Wii U is functionally superior to the 360, you get your goofy ass off this board forever. If it isn't, I'll gladly never post on gaf again.
E3 will probably clarify nothing, because Nintendo does not release specs.
Nintendo fans will be out in full force salivating over off-screen videos of Zelda or something and proclaiming them to be undeniable proof that the Wii U is incredibly powerful. Detractors will take the worst framebuffer grab of a 3rd party game they can find and run with it.
People trying to do actual analysis will be called biased by both sides.
Because the more recent a rumor (for anything, not just this topic) the better chance it has some truth to it? This is not a foreign concept.Also, why does it matter if they're old?
You are way too emotionally invested into this, guek. That was kind of hard to read.Tell ya what kid, let's make a ban bet since you'resuch a dumbassso sure about the wiiu<360 rumors. If the Wii U is functionally superior to the 360, you get your goofy ass off this board forever. If it isn't, I'll gladly never post on gaf again.
This is not a foreign concept.
It's way too early for meltdowns. What devs actually do with the hardware is far more important than specs at this point.Tell ya what kid, let's make a ban bet since you'resuch a dumbassso sure about the wiiu<360 rumors. If the Wii U is functionally superior to the 360, you get your goofy ass off this board forever. If it isn't, I'll gladly never post on gaf again.
You are way too emotionally invested into this, guek.
THIS is the source/rumor BlackNMild2k1's post was referring to (thanks, Sho Nuff). Forgive me if tend to believe big reputable gaming sites over a poster on the nintendoworldreport.com forums. Ugh.
What the hell just happened?
What the hell just happened?
Just your typical permanent ban bets.
It's pre-e3 at the dawn of a new console generation.
Tell ya what kid, let's make a ban bet since you'resuch a dumbassso sure about the wiiu<360 rumors. If the Wii U is functionally superior to the 360, you get your goofy ass off this board forever. If it isn't, I'll gladly never post on gaf again.
Are you crying in a corner somewhere?Tell ya what kid, let's make a ban bet since you'resuch a dumbassso sure about the wiiu<360 rumors. If the Wii U is functionally superior to the 360, you get your goofy ass off this board forever. If it isn't, I'll gladly never post on gaf again.