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Deus Ex: Mankind Divided Developer says console ports on PC are disrespectful
- Thread starter IcyRhythms
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Weren't the cutscenes in the PC version of Human Revolution just straight ports from the console versions?
Also can't disagree with his statement. I'm playing on PC for a reason--if I'm playing on PC--and it's a massive waste of my time to find out it's no different, if not worse, than the console versions.
Also can't disagree with his statement. I'm playing on PC for a reason--if I'm playing on PC--and it's a massive waste of my time to find out it's no different, if not worse, than the console versions.
ebullientprism
Member
Sounds right.
Waiting for someone to get pissed at this.
Waiting for someone to get pissed at this.
Might change when they port their new games, hoping for a good FFXV PC version.
A PC port, when done right, should exceed the console version in every way fully based on the hardware involved. But even a great port from a Nixxes level studio is still a port.
And so i don't really think i agree with him, considering most games would be considered console ports to PC. The basic nature of the process of picking baseline design decisions are made with all SKU's in mind, mostly the consoles.
I'd assume its just easier with linear hardware to better deliver for all platforms, rather than starting with something you know you can't run(like a majority of BS PC 'target renders') and just scaling that down with a hacksaw until it can do some equivalent of what you initially promised as a developer.
And so i don't really think i agree with him, considering most games would be considered console ports to PC. The basic nature of the process of picking baseline design decisions are made with all SKU's in mind, mostly the consoles.
I'd assume its just easier with linear hardware to better deliver for all platforms, rather than starting with something you know you can't run(like a majority of BS PC 'target renders') and just scaling that down with a hacksaw until it can do some equivalent of what you initially promised as a developer.
Honestly at this point, 60fps, AA and at least 4k support would be fine for me for that game. Would love additional stuff tbh but I could live with just that.
That's what I'm thinking too.
I think it really depends on the game, to be honest. Console to PC ports aren't bad, but the lazy ones are, since they're obvious to spot.
I think Nixxes did a great job porting Human Revolution.
The only downside was the absolutely awful quality of the FMVs, but I don't think they could have done anything about that.
I still don't understand the point of rendering FMVs in ultra high quality if you're going to re-encode them into Youtube 240p before putting them in the game.
The only downside was the absolutely awful quality of the FMVs, but I don't think they could have done anything about that.
I still don't understand the point of rendering FMVs in ultra high quality if you're going to re-encode them into Youtube 240p before putting them in the game.
broncobuster
Banned
Some cutscenes were prerendered. Yeah. And I believe it initially had technical issues on PC. But as a whole Human Revolution on PC went miles further in making it feel like a PC game. From adding an inventory bar, to scaling the interface, to having your keyboard number pad work when entering key codes.
Kind of that I meant with good port, don't want any arbitrary resolution or framerate locks.
Though some settings for uncompressed assets and some scaleability for lower end PCs would be great and probably make the game sell better.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Nope. I recall it having very little in terms of PC options. Like bare minimum, maybe slightly better than that. It was not a strong point.
It wasn't a bad port but it certainly wasn't something to be commended. Basically, I really disagree with you saying it is in good hands because it wasn't.
Human Revolution has a good range of options, no idea what you are talking about. Everything needed was there, including an FOV slider.
I had very little issues with the port at the time and had nice options (tessellation, soft shadows, advanced DOF, directx11).
I'd be happy enough if they just did ports with basic feature support honestly, no need to develop a version which feels native.
Same here.
OrlanisWorks
Banned
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
He isn't wrong.
Human Revolution was a great port on paper, but hopefully with this new engine the incredibly poor mouse feel is gone. The freelook behaved very strangely (by default, different vertical and horizontal sensitivities) and it also did not scroll in arbitrarily small amounts. I'm not sure exactly how to describe that last one, but it's like it would jump in very, very small "steps" rather than in a smooth arc. I can't have been the only one who noticed?
CrichtonKicks
Member
It scales too much! HR is almost impossible play downsampled.
Dirt 2 (2009) used tessellation on PC.
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2009/12/01/directx-11-performance-first-look-dirt-2/1
And I don't think it was the first game to use it.
chrominance
Member
The Nixxes ports of Human Revolution and Tomb Raider 2013 were both quite good, no complaints here.
I'm guessing you don't have this issue in other games, but just in case: this is the kind of behavior I'd get when I cranked the mouse sensitivity up way high in a game. The mouse itself only has a set resolution, so the stepping is actually a result of scaling the mouse movement so high that the smallest movement the mouse can register is now tangible. I don't know if this scenario applies to you, but if it does, it's probably not a Human Revolution-only issue.
I'm guessing you don't have this issue in other games, but just in case: this is the kind of behavior I'd get when I cranked the mouse sensitivity up way high in a game. The mouse itself only has a set resolution, so the stepping is actually a result of scaling the mouse movement so high that the smallest movement the mouse can register is now tangible. I don't know if this scenario applies to you, but if it does, it's probably not a Human Revolution-only issue.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
HR on PC was good, the Director's Cut version had odd performance issues though.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
FOV capped
Mouse sensitivity options bare minimum and completely unacceptable for a FPS on PC.
Just a few things that I recall from the last time I played through the game.
There was room for improvement for sure. Especially the mouse options... just unacceptable.
edit:
Also I don't recall there being an option for hold instead of toggle for sprinting + ADS.
Confidence Man
Member
It was a fine port but it pretty much looked like a console game. Also they talk about respecting the legacy of Deus Ex but their game really didn't, it was a born and bred console experience.
IcyRhythms
Member
The Director's Cut of HR on PC is a mess. I read somewhere that it was a messy/lazy port of the Wii U version. I also read that everything they patched with the original version was left up in the air for the DC.
Visualante2
Member
That game still had micro stutter when running for a while. I mean it was a good port but it wasn't some flawless gem like people make it out to be.
Aye.
Hoping Deus Ex Mankind Divided will be more flexible in its gameplay and hopefully have a narrative that is as engaging and with multiple permutations akin to OG Deus Ex. I feel that Deus Ex HR was close, but miss out a bit on the narrative, gameplay, choices and alike.
I think the best example would have been Deus Ex: The Fall. That is a pure mobile port. Hilariously, woefully bad. A little effort would have gone a long way
They are porting game to DX12, so it wont be lazy.
Also their tech trailer was pretty great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-epev7cT30
I think the bugs in the pc version also exist on the console version. Plus that wasn't the A team working on it.
Helscream
Banned
I played DE:HR first on PS3 then played Directors Cut on PC and didn't have any issues.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I played both HR and DC on PC and I didn't notice one version worse than the other. But they still did a shoddy job in some aspects, like I mentioned earlier. Also someone mentioned stuttering, which yes it had stutter issues. I don't recall it being in DC but I could be wrong. Also I recall people complaining about input lag or mouse acceleration issues. Basically not a top rate PC product, just a passable port that excels in some areas but is unacceptable in others. I'm sure people are used to some of the crap because by older PC game standards or measuring against bad ports, then HR shines. But compared to modern standards, it falls short.
GreatestHits
Member
Basically immediately. This game is going to kick ass, btw