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NX Gamer: Final Fantasy XV: In-depth Technical Preview PS4 XboxOne
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DarkLordMalik
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The game has an average frame rate around 28-29 on PS4 and yet reading the demo impressions thread, one might assume it is way worse. Shame about the frame pacing issues though.
DeepEnigma
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A lot of people confuse frame pacing with framerate dips could be the reason. They did it with Bloodborne.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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The fight against the iron giant is awful feels like the framerate drops to 10
They both lead to an experience that isn't exactly optimal. I don't care if stuttering is the result of the frame rate or frame pacing, it's distracting. Luckily there's still six months until launch, so hopefully these issues are addressed.
Edit: I just want this experience to not be ruined by poor performance.
platina
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It definitely is the frame pacing issue but bloodborne was way more easier on the eyes than this demo, my guess? No yebis motion blur during gameplay
I think it's a coincidence. A LOT of Western games have had issues with this as well but, in most cases, a patch was released to fix it. FFXV isn't finished so it could be solved in the final game (and isn't even a problem on XO). Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 are the two that are strange in that it should have been fixed but never was.
I'd imagine most people can't differentiate framerate drops and frame pacing. I know I can't. Just isn't smooth at the end of the day.
What needs to be done technically to fix frame pacing?
ethomaz
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It should depend on how the game synchronizes with the refresh rate of the monitor. On the PC, there are plenty of utilities that you can use to solve the problem. It really shouldn't be difficult.
Jigolo
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I've learned over my years on gaf is don't trust this forums word on anything to do with framerate at all.
Being a SoulsBourne fan, this makes me sad. Why, From, why?
The frame pacing issues make it seem much worse than it is. But really, poor performance is just that no matter the cause. So yeah, in a way it is as bad as some people have made out. Frame times are sometimes outrageous on PS4.
I was talking about in-depth technical video not performance.
DeepEnigma
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They both lead to an experience that isn't exactly optimal. I don't care if stuttering is the result of the frame rate or frame pacing, it's distracting. Luckily there's still six months until launch, so hopefully these issues are addressed.
Edit: I just want this experience to not be ruined by poor performance.
I completely agree.
You know, it's especially disappointing considering that FROM's PS2 output was almost universally 60fps (barring one or two titles).
Though, there was a weird thing with King's Field IV - the game runs at 60fps but the player movement is sampled at half-rate. So camera panning is 60fps, but while moving forward, you get the impression it's only 30fps. Never understood what was up there.
Ever since the PS360 gen, FROM has never really been able to deliver high frame-rates again.
DarkLordMalik
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I can confirm that while Xbox One version might have less stable frame rate than PS4, it was much more smoother overall. I played on both PS4 and Xbox One.
Dynamic res on both, with PS4 having the higher floor and ceiling.
Which is of course right when I became more than peripherally aware of them.
makes perfect sense alot of moments on my xbox one made me say damn the PC version is the only one worth playing (IF it happens), didn't try on my PS4 but during the fight Iron Giant fight in the video above. PS4 looks like shit
KZObsessed
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They both lead to an experience that isn't exactly optimal. I don't care if stuttering is the result of the frame rate or frame pacing, it's distracting. Luckily there's still six months until launch, so hopefully these issues are addressed.
Edit: I just want this experience to not be ruined by poor performance.
Holy shit I hadn't seen that footage. That looks amazing
DarkLordMalik
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From what I know, there were more languages available for Xbox One than PS4 (NA Store) but the EU Store might be similar in size.
GHG
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They both lead to an experience that isn't exactly optimal. I don't care if stuttering is the result of the frame rate or frame pacing, it's distracting. Luckily there's still six months until launch, so hopefully these issues are addressed.
Edit: I just want this experience to not be ruined by poor performance.
The fuck... What video is this gif from?
FalsettoVibe
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Can someone explain frame rate vs frame pacing.
It think it's happening. Would be silly to leave money on the table,especially given how long this game has been sucking up resources. I won't have a gaming PC for a while yet, so I'm just hoping the PS4 version launches with consistent frame pacing and a frame rate that isn't distracting. The world seems incredibly charming, so I don't think I'll have trouble moving past the occasional "Wew, slideshow!" moment so long as they only happen during a perfect storm of system stress.
One of the trailers shown during the Uncovered event. No idea why it isn't in the official release date trailer that SE released. I pre-ordered the deluxe version after seeing that and I'm sure I'm not the only easily entertained child with a credit card in existence.
ethomaz
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Games on Xbone trends to be bigger than PS4... you can check others games download... some had 500MB difference ir more.
Garrett Hawke
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Framerate - the number of unique frames per second
Frametime - the amount of time each of those frames is displayed
In a locked 30fps title with no framepacing issues, each frame displays for 33.3ms or 2x16.67ms
In a locked 30fps title with poor framepacing, some frames might display for 16.67ms, some for 33.3ms, while others display for 49.97ms, thus causing stutter
Example - order of frames with no framepacing issues in a 30fps title on a 60Hz monitor:
1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5
In this example, each unique, numbered frame displays for the exact same amount of time (2x16.67ms, so two monitor refreshes)
Order of frames with poor framepacing in a 30fps title on a 60Hz monitor:
1 2 2 2 3 3 4 4 4 5
In this example, unique, numbered frames display for uneven amounts of time - some for 16.67ms (one monitor refresh), others for 33.3ms (two monitor refreshes), others for 49.97 (three monitor refreshes) - thus making the game stutter.
Holy shit I hadn't seen that footage. That looks amazing
Lol. That was the last surprise of the show in the recent trailer's extended Japanese version:
https://youtu.be/CX5D4Fenz5g?t=3m59s
GHG
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Thanks.
dynamitejim
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Sony needs to deliver some kind of frame delivery analysis tool to developers, especially with PSVR coming.
Son of Flounder
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Agreed, even though the average FPS of the XBone is lower, I found the PS4 to be unbearable most of the time. Looking at the graphs, the FPS seems to be locked at 30 most of the time (or going to 31 for a few milliseconds) but frametimes are all over the place, for me it feels like a perceptibly much lower inconsistent framerate throughout the whole demo.
Definitely going to hold out for a PC version no matter how good the reviews are.
DF and NX will almost certainly have some kind of initial analysis up shortly after launch. I'd expect the frame times to be fixed on PS4 by then. Fingers crossed for the rest.
If there is framepacing on the PSVR it may not last to long unless that PC support comes fast
NoctisVsStar
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I'm positive they'll get things ironed out by release.
Nice explanation. Thanks.
Son of Flounder
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Bloodborne still isn't fixed though, whilst nowhere near as bad as the FFXV demo, I've only put around 3 hours into it as I haven't been compelled enough to pick it up again because of this. Unfortunately, frame pacing affects me more severely than most gamers.
You'd think he'd give an absolutely terrible review on the demo based on the other thread.
He speaks glowingly about this game. And with the combat not being explained by the demo but has a lot of discoverable aspects, I'm not too worried.
Hopefully performance gets better with those warps especially.
He speaks glowingly about this game. And with the combat not being explained by the demo but has a lot of discoverable aspects, I'm not too worried.
Hopefully performance gets better with those warps especially.
Actually I was able to clearly tell that it had both frame rates and frame pacing issue.
Other thing is due to lack of motion blur and strange camera placement made this feeling very jarring. If it had smooth motion blur most complaints will go away
Most developers get things sorted before launch or patch in a fix after. From is either incapable of getting their shit together, or they just don't care. I don't see SE letting the PS4 version out the door like that, especially since the XB1 version already seems to be largely free of the issue.
The graphics reception is particularly hyperbolic. This pretty munch confirms that. It's a gorgeous game.
Is it Witcher 3 on console levels of poor performance?
Seriously, look at this game man.
But the performance during combat is the biggest cause for concern and a pretty big deal, and with it being an ARPG that should be their priority. Tabata's said that's the focus now, so I hope the engine team can make it work.
The Environment trailer doesn't appear to be as dishonest as some people may think with all of this being outside of combat where the performance is generally stable. There's a lot more dynamic stuff that could potentially hurt the game's performance though, such as the huge towns teeming with people.
I just hope they can get the aircar working with a good LOD solution.