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Obama forms an exploratory committee...a run for the presidency next?
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Shogmaster
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First black president! LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!
WHOAguitarninja
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As much as I'd love for him to be president...I still get the nagging feeling he might be jumping the gun ruining his chances by racing now. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but I just don't think he can win. Not yet atleast.
BigGreenMat
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Shogmaster said:
You mean multi-race president.
PhoenixDark
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Dedalus said:
You'll never guess what his middle name is
worldrunover
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This would be a truly remarkable thing were he able to even get nominated, but unfortunately I don't see even that happening. When it comes right down to it, America is too racist, and his name is Barack Hussein Obama.
Bottom line: people are stupid, and won't vote for him on color/name alone.
Bottom line: people are stupid, and won't vote for him on color/name alone.
Cornballer
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worldrunover said:
I agree. Personally I get the feeling Obama is seen as almost an experiment for progressives who want to see if they can elect a black man as president (an awesome black man at that, I agree). Progressives are usually pretty good at recognizing the problems America has, but here it seems like many are oblivious to the facts. Obama will not win the nomination, and if by chance he does he will not win the election. I'll certainly vote for him over Hillary or McCain/Rommey/whoever.
Maybe I look at things differently because I'm black as well. But when Obama walks into a room people don't see an aspiring politician or a person of mixed heritage - they see a black man. And I don't think America is ready at this point to put a black man into the highest spot of leadership in this country and make him the most powerful man in the world.
Cheebs
Yes he is seen as black but isn't seen as black in the same light as a Jesse Jackson. He doesn't have the Jim Crow and slavery history being from Kenya. To whites he is a non-threatening black guy if you will.DarienA said:
? Is this about 4-6 months ago when I said Obama should run and you laughed and said there is no chance he'd run in 2008?PhoenixDark said:Cheebs
Cheebs said:
Definately cause when people think south they think racist white men. Cities like Atlanta, Memphis, New Orleans (kinda right now), and Charlotte are majority black and will vote for Nashville is more a moderate Dem stronghold and would go for him over Hillary (don't know about Edwards) and FL is well... FL is FL and I have no idea what the hell goes on there.
Rancid Mildew
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He's forming an exploratory committee for learning more about the conditions of a potential presidential run.
He announces his potential candidacy in February, not now.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/16/obama.papers/index.html
He announces his potential candidacy in February, not now.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/16/obama.papers/index.html
norinrad21
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I absolutely refuse to comment until i have heard what our residential artist whiteman has to say about him
Patrick Bateman
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I read Osama and just thought "Wow, of what country?"..
I hope this won't happen to the American voters.
I hope this won't happen to the American voters.
Rancid Mildew
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Cheebs said:
Of course. But things still might change. If he finds that he has a significant chance of losing, I don't think he'll run.
I do hope he runs though. It's about time that we get a minority president and this guy just seems decent and honest.
PhoenixDark
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Cheebs said:
I've never heard such a thing. He may be "non-threatening" in some ways, but he's attempting to become the president of the United States. That is going to be seen differently whether we like to admit it or not
DarienA said:
Non threatening or just complacient?
Shogmaster
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BigGreenMat said:
If Colin Powell is called a black man, then so is this guy.
Xdrive05
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I'm going to have to look into his stance on issues after watching that video. I probably don't agree with a lot of his ideas but I'm tempted to vote for him just because he's black (or will be seen as such). Generally speaking, we should have had a black or woman president before this century rolled around.
PhoenixDark
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Cheebs said:
I agree with you there. But "non-threatening" doesn't just equal "not affiliated with Jackson/Sharpton/NAACP" here. It's more of a racial issue than affiliation with with disgraces like Jackson.
SnakeswithLasers
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I feel like I'm the only person left in the world that doesn't have his panties in a bundle over Obama.
It's not his name or his color. I just don't see a junior senator who gave one decent speech as a solid presidential candidate. He hasn't proven anything to me yet and I was excited about him in the 2004 campaign season.
I dunno ... It seems like the whole platform of support for this guy is that he's new blood or he's "not white" or he's appealing "because he's a Washington outsider." But, he seems to be just another opportunistic politician, no distinction from the pack.
Not that I like anyone else more than him, I just don't like him. Or any of them.
Remind me again why I should care about this guy?
Edit: I'd also like to point out that I don't care if he gets elected or not. I don't think he'd be any worse than anyone else. However, I also don't really believe that anyone that manages to get elected president of this country could be the kind of person we need as president of this country.
It's not his name or his color. I just don't see a junior senator who gave one decent speech as a solid presidential candidate. He hasn't proven anything to me yet and I was excited about him in the 2004 campaign season.
I dunno ... It seems like the whole platform of support for this guy is that he's new blood or he's "not white" or he's appealing "because he's a Washington outsider." But, he seems to be just another opportunistic politician, no distinction from the pack.
Not that I like anyone else more than him, I just don't like him. Or any of them.
Remind me again why I should care about this guy?
Edit: I'd also like to point out that I don't care if he gets elected or not. I don't think he'd be any worse than anyone else. However, I also don't really believe that anyone that manages to get elected president of this country could be the kind of person we need as president of this country.
It's not like Louis Farrakhan just threw his hat in the ring here, people. This guy IS liked and last I checked the electoral math shows that most of the states who wouldn't vote for him cuz of his color don't have a lot of electoral votes anyways. If he got the nomination I think his chances would be good. Really good.
He'd lock up New York, Michigan, Ohio, California, most of the northeast and a lot of the midwest. Indiana would still go red but they're farmers and it's expected. Pennsylvania would be a lock for Democrats. Actually, I think almost every swing state would go blue with the exception of Florida.
Obama is a horrible candidate for the Republicans to run against because the only guy that can get over him in face-recognition, McCain, doesn't have his religious credentials. They can't run smear ads without being outright called racist in the national media, so they really have to tip-toe there. Because as much as it may be a taboo for a black guy to be in a position of power, people who are seen as open racists are even more despised (look at Gibson for saying one thing about jews).
Truth be told, I think the only Republican that could compete with Obama Mitt Romney. a Northern republican with tested religious conviction... but even then he has no chance with the evangelical vote because he's mormon.
I'm not sure. I don't think he would have thrown his hat in the ring if he thought it was just gonna be a game. Black turnout will be phenomenal, too, if he gets the nomination.
He'd lock up New York, Michigan, Ohio, California, most of the northeast and a lot of the midwest. Indiana would still go red but they're farmers and it's expected. Pennsylvania would be a lock for Democrats. Actually, I think almost every swing state would go blue with the exception of Florida.
Obama is a horrible candidate for the Republicans to run against because the only guy that can get over him in face-recognition, McCain, doesn't have his religious credentials. They can't run smear ads without being outright called racist in the national media, so they really have to tip-toe there. Because as much as it may be a taboo for a black guy to be in a position of power, people who are seen as open racists are even more despised (look at Gibson for saying one thing about jews).
Truth be told, I think the only Republican that could compete with Obama Mitt Romney. a Northern republican with tested religious conviction... but even then he has no chance with the evangelical vote because he's mormon.
I'm not sure. I don't think he would have thrown his hat in the ring if he thought it was just gonna be a game. Black turnout will be phenomenal, too, if he gets the nomination.
Finally he announces it. It is not like there were any doubts about it.
He would make a good president in my opinion.
But are Americans ready??
The democrats are really taking a risk in the next elections. I mean, they take back the house and the Senate, and people are saying that the next president will probably be a Dem. So, why are their two top candidates, a woman and an African American?? It seems to me like they are taking a huge risk.
He would make a good president in my opinion.
But are Americans ready??
The democrats are really taking a risk in the next elections. I mean, they take back the house and the Senate, and people are saying that the next president will probably be a Dem. So, why are their two top candidates, a woman and an African American?? It seems to me like they are taking a huge risk.
His last name is one tiny consonant away from being the first name of one of America's sworn enemies.worldrunover said:
Can we take that chance?
http://www.ifilm.com/userrating?ifilmId=2812401&rating=1
Manmademan
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PhoenixDark said:I agree. Personally I get the feeling Obama is seen as almost an experiment for progressives who want to see if they can elect a black man as president (an awesome black man at that, I agree). Progressives are usually pretty good at recognizing the problems America has, but here it seems like many are oblivious to the facts. Obama will not win the nomination, and if by chance he does he will not win the election. I'll certainly vote for him over Hillary or McCain/Rommey/whoever.
Maybe I look at things differently because I'm black as well. But when Obama walks into a room people don't see an aspiring politician or a person of mixed heritage - they see a black man. And I don't think America is ready at this point to put a black man into the highest spot of leadership in this country and make him the most powerful man in the world.
Cheebs
I'd disagree. Do you remember when powell was rumored to be running back in 1996/2000? (I forget which, sorry.) strongly considered to be the front runner with a good shot at the presidency.
Also Gave the bush administration some much needed credibility pre-iraq when he was secretary of state.
given the right candidate, race can be a non issue. I think Obama's achilles heel is more his lack of experience than anything else. On that, he's going to get flayed alive.
BigGreenMat
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PhoenixDark said:I agree. Personally I get the feeling Obama is seen as almost an experiment for progressives who want to see if they can elect a black man as president (an awesome black man at that, I agree). Progressives are usually pretty good at recognizing the problems America has, but here it seems like many are oblivious to the facts. Obama will not win the nomination, and if by chance he does he will not win the election. I'll certainly vote for him over Hillary or McCain/Rommey/whoever.
Maybe I look at things differently because I'm black as well. But when Obama walks into a room people don't see an aspiring politician or a person of mixed heritage - they see a black man. And I don't think America is ready at this point to put a black man into the highest spot of leadership in this country and make him the most powerful man in the world.
Cheebs
I am from Chicago and have been to a number of Obama events and I feel the exact opposite. Obama from my experience is not seen as a black man at all. I think Cheebs got the reason why correct in that Obama is NOT a black man the way most other people would define a black man. He is half-Kenyan and grew up in Jakarta and Hawaii. That is VERY different from, like Cheebs said, someone like Jesse Jackson Jr. (another Chicago guy) who most would see as a black politician. Coming from Chicago politics Obama is not a 'black' politician.
Now on a national scene that might not play in South Carolina or Louisiana, but those states hardly matter anyway since the chances of a Democratic Presidential candidate pulling them out is VERY slim. Obama has an incredible shot at being nominated and elected. The guy is as good a public speaker as you will find and he has charm and charisma up the ying yang. He will do great at any debate. His only weakness (and it may turn out to be his strength) is his lack of high profile politics.
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