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sazzy · Aug 20, 2012

Update:

More Brevik:

What do you think of Diablo 3?

David Brevik: They did a decent job. The game's pretty fun. There's lots of stuff they made some advancements on the whole Diablo franchise. But it is not the game I would have designed. It is not the game I originally designed for Diablo 3.

What advancements?

David Brevik: Some of the story stuff they did was much better than we'd ever done story before, and in that way it created a very different experience. Being able to be able to teleport to the other players and allow people to group up in a much easier fashion, those were some of the things that stood out to me as being much better than we had done before.

What do you feel fell short?

David Brevik: The skill system was very different than what we ever designed before. It played more like a load-out system from a shooter, which was a very different approach than we had ever even contemplated. I don't know if that necessarily works super well. Being able to change your build at any given time on the fly was a little bit too generous. So it fell down a little bit there.

There are other specific things, especially with the items and your main weapon powering a lot of your skills that were choices I would have not made.

What's your take on Blizzard's decision to make Diablo 3 always online?

David Brevik: I'm making a game that's always online, but it's different. I wouldn't make the same choices they made.

The fact is that it took a lot of time and money to make that game, and piracy is a problem. When you cannot manage that at all there are certain in which you're going to lose a lot of money. It comes down to, this is a business in the end, and when you spend that much time and effort on something, you've got to have some sort of path to recovery. Unfortunately it's a business choice more than anything.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...o-creator-breviks-diablo-3-was-very-different

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From the other thread, felt like it deserved its own.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/yiftp/did_everyone_miss_the_drama/

D3 game director is Jay Wilson, who was previously at Relic.

Edit - Can someone link the image file? I'm on my phone.
Edit2- This is the first time I've witnessed a game developer publicly sparring. On a personal level.
Edit3: TLDR version:

Glass Rebel said:
David Brevik: "Honestly, I think that they did a lot of the things the best they could, it was a very different game than I would have created, the team and personalities, the people, the talent and all the design philosophies of the people that worked on it in Irvine, we called them Blizzard South, those people have their own style and the their own way they like to design. It was very, very different from the Blizzard North."

Jay Wilson: "Fuck that loser"

graywolf323 said:
someone updated the cast list for the Facebook comments

TheOddOne · Aug 20, 2012

Feels like highschool.

Corky · Aug 20, 2012

Sometimes it's easy to forget that certain industry people are just like any other socially awkward person with no tact whatsoever... difference being some of them have pedestals to stand on.

Nibel · Aug 20, 2012

That's a harsh reaction.

Especially from someone who fucked up D3.

Mr. Enigma · Aug 20, 2012

Oh Jay Wilson, don't you know once it's on social media it lives forever?

Lancehead · Aug 20, 2012

Here's that image:

Metallix87 · Aug 20, 2012

Nibel said:
That's a harsh reaction.

Especially from someone who fucked up D3.

You nailed it, Nibel.

sazzy · Aug 20, 2012

Nibel said:
That's a harsh reaction.

Especially from someone who fucked up D3.

Ha!

DICKS AHOY · Aug 20, 2012

Not really clued into what was wrong with Diablo 3 besides the whole 'always connect to the internet for a predominantly one-player game' thing, but wasn't that interview with the old director fairly... Nice, given the mixed reaction to D3? Certainly not harsh enough to warrant the director of the new game to just give a blunt 'fuck you'.

Beepos · Aug 20, 2012

Seriously did he not think his comment would not spread like wildfire 10 seconds after he posted it. Jay is entitled to his opinion but this isn't going look professional no matter you slice it ... like it's a direct insult with no other context.

How can people be so stupid.

JonCha · Aug 20, 2012

Getting a bit defensive Mr Wilson?

Metallix87 · Aug 20, 2012

Astrosanity said:
Not really clued into what was wrong with Diablo 3 besides the whole 'always connect to the internet for a predominantly one-player game' thing, but wasn't that interview with the old director fairly... Nice, given the mixed reaction to D3? Certainly not harsh enough to warrant the director of the new game to just give a blunt 'fuck you'.

Exactly. It's absurd that they would react this way.

Easy_D · Aug 20, 2012

One worked on Diablo 1 and 2, the other on 3.

Glass Rebel · Aug 20, 2012

David Brevik: "Honestly, I think that they did a lot of the things the best they could, it was a very different game than I would have created, the team and personalities, the people, the talent and all the design philosophies of the people that worked on it in Irvine, we called them Blizzard South, those people have their own style and the their own way they like to design. It was very, very different from the Blizzard North."

Jay Wilson: "Fuck that loser"

sazzy · Aug 20, 2012

The timing is perfect for the Magic Find blog post by Jay which is supposed to go up Monday.

I can only imagine the comments which it will attract.

Damn exams

Mr. Enigma · Aug 20, 2012

Green Slime said:
Exactly. It's absurd that they would react this way.

It's human nature for some people to act childishly towards criticisms they know are accurate.

GorillaJu · Aug 20, 2012

Astrosanity said:
Not really clued into what was wrong with Diablo 3 besides the whole 'always connect to the internet for a predominantly one-player game' thing, but wasn't that interview with the old director fairly... Nice, given the mixed reaction to D3? Certainly not harsh enough to warrant the director of the new game to just give a blunt 'fuck you'.

If you're curious, just look at pretty much any thread about Diablo 3 and you'll be overwhelmed with negativity. Most of it is (IMO) justified and people seem very lucid and clued in to what makes it such a mediocre game.

Coins · Aug 20, 2012

As a person who bought Hellgate and D3, I'll share this.

I played both games roughly the same amount of time, which was about three weeks. Then I had my fill.

After those three weeks? I went back to D2 to ease the letdown.

Belgorim · Aug 20, 2012

Astrosanity said:
Not really clued into what was wrong with Diablo 3 besides the whole 'always connect to the internet for a predominantly one-player game' thing, but wasn't that interview with the old director fairly... Nice, given the mixed reaction to D3? Certainly not harsh enough to warrant the director of the new game to just give a blunt 'fuck you'.

Why would you assume that comment was based solely on this interview?

I do not agree that the interview was as nice as you say it is, but that is beside the point.

hylje · Aug 20, 2012

This is just made up drama to make us forget about HL3.

And who is who from that reddit:

DICKS AHOY · Aug 20, 2012

Green Slime said:
Exactly. It's absurd that they would react this way.

Lead on the old games of a long running franchise when asked about a new entry: "I personally would have done things differently, but this new team is still very talented and made a great, unique product."

Lead on the new entry to the old guy: "Jump in a well and die."

That's seriously how I'm reading this. PR 101 and all that.

odd_morsel said:
If you're curious, just look at pretty much any thread about Diablo 3 and you'll be overwhelmed with negativity. Most of it is (IMO) justified and people seem very lucid and clued in to what makes it such a mediocre game.

Oh I know people have been up in arms over the game, I just meant I read the interview in question as being fairly light-handed and apologetic at worst towards Diablo 3.

Belgorim said:
Why would you assume that comment was based solely on this interview?

I do not agree that the interview was as nice as you say it is, but that is beside the point.

... Because Jay Wilson's 'Fuck that loser' comment was left on a URL link to that interview? I haven't played Diablo 3 yet as I said earlier, so I don't have much else to go off.

Teknopathetic · Aug 20, 2012

The original Brevik quote and this reaction really sum up the difference between the original Diablos and 3.

One is nuanced and carefully constructed. The other was shat out.

TentPole · Aug 20, 2012

Seems like a fair response to me.

Iztli · Aug 20, 2012

Teknopathetic said:
The original Brevik quote and this reaction really sum up the difference between the original Diablos and 3.

One is nuanced and carefully constructed. The other was shat out.

I dont even know what is going on but dannnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

pa22word · Aug 20, 2012

Ah, public dev shit talk. I love it. Brings me back to the golden days of Harada v Itagaki.

sazzy · Aug 20, 2012

Teknopathetic said:
The original Brevik quote and this reaction really sum up the difference between the original Diablos and 3.

One is nuanced and carefully constructed. The other was shat out.

Yep, it made complete sense. Brevik emphasized how important the people who make the games are, and once the core people left/got shut down, the rest had no idea what to do.

People > The amount of money you can throw at a project, ala D3.

Metallix87 · Aug 20, 2012

Teknopathetic said:
The original Brevik quote and this reaction really sum up the difference between the original Diablos and 3.

One is nuanced and carefully constructed. The other was shat out.

Yep. Absolutely. I can't wait until the sun rises and they realized just what a mistake they made.

michaelius · Aug 20, 2012

Yes because gamers so care about what one dev said the other.

hamchan · Aug 20, 2012

I thought he was quite polite in that interview so the angry Diablo 3 dev reactions are quite funny.

HK-47 · Aug 20, 2012

Teknopathetic said:
The original Brevik quote and this reaction really sum up the difference between the original Diablos and 3.

One is nuanced and carefully constructed. The other was shat out.

is this a burn within a burn or a double burn?

PsychoSoldier · Aug 20, 2012

michaelius said:
Yes because gamers so care about what one dev said the other.

Go watch the official diablo forums imploding and you'll see just that. Every mod on that board is probably tearing their hair out at the moment.

ZombiePlatypus · Aug 20, 2012

I guess when someone points out what you're (rightfully) insecure about deep down, it stings just a tad too much. Stay classy D3 team.

Atilac · Aug 20, 2012

Who the fuck is silvernail? Diablo 3 sold on the hype and goodwill of the previous games. If diablo 3 was developed without 1 and 2 being out, it would not have sold as much. Why is Jay's comments so "liked" why did Jill make a brown nosing comment about liking it?

Smh at that entire post, how dare they shit on a man who helped build the foundation for their own successes.

Palette Swap · Aug 20, 2012

10 years ago, he'd just have read the story and told his wife "fuck that loser". But now, you have to do everything online because it's obviously a way better experience.

Frankie Williamson · Aug 20, 2012

Jesus, it's usually the players of Diablo 3 that are referred to as man-babies.

nubbe · Aug 20, 2012

sazzy said:
Yep, it made complete sense. Brevik emphasized how important the people who make the games are, and once the core people left/got shut down, the rest had no idea what to do.

People > The amount of money you can throw at a project, ala D3.

Yup, corporations are people my friend

and some people are more important than other people

PsychoSoldier · Aug 20, 2012

Palette Swap said:
10 years ago, he'd just have read the story and told his wife "fuck that loser". But now, you have to do everything online because it's obviously a way better experience.

Haha nice.

HK-47 · Aug 20, 2012

Palette Swap said:
10 years ago, he'd just have read the story and told his wife "fuck that loser". But now, you have to do everything online because it's obviously a way better experience.

Sharing is caring

AnathemicOne · Aug 20, 2012

The whole ordeal makes me facepalm and lose respect for Jay Wilson and his team. I'm sure he didn't mean for this conversation to be let out but it was on freagin Facebook for crying out loud. Being a lead designer for franchise of a multi billion dollar game company you have to maintain a professional image, this includes social network sites such as Facebook. I honestly cannot believe that Jay and his team were oblivious to the reprecussions here.

dekline · Aug 20, 2012

This is too funny for anyone to seriously be mad about.

mysteriousmage09 · Aug 20, 2012

Just saw this. My reaction.

Good work D3 team. You already have millions pissed off at you over your mess of a game and you tell the man, that made Diablo the legacy it is today, to fuck off. Bravo.

etiolate · Aug 20, 2012

from d3 forums

Can't we just enjoy this for what it is? Real added endgame content.

lol

Nibel · Aug 20, 2012

That Facebook screencap tells you so much about Blizzard and their priorities

FantasticMrFoxdie · Aug 20, 2012

Teknopathetic said:
The original Brevik quote and this reaction really sum up the difference between the original Diablos and 3.

One is nuanced and carefully constructed. The other was shat out.

Dresden · Aug 20, 2012

Oh, Blizzactivison.

ekim · Aug 20, 2012

so long Blizzard. Face level -100

Coins · Aug 20, 2012

Oh man. Lol. Check out the D3 forums.

sazzy · Aug 20, 2012

etiolate said:
from d3 forums

lol

Lol wow

CecilRousso · Aug 20, 2012

Nibel said:
That Facebook screencap tells you so much about Blizzard and their priorities

It does?

Jawmuncher · Aug 20, 2012

Nibel said:
That's a harsh reaction.

Especially from someone who fucked up D3.

Exactly.
Thats what makes this even more sweet.

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