water_wendi
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Well now i know who specifically to blame for Diablo 3's failure to be a fun game.
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Diablo 3 Game Director to Diablo 1/2 Project Lead: F**k that loser [Jay apologizes]
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TheChewyWaffles
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ElyrionX - you are making the same mistake Jay did. You are taking this stuff way too personally. What he said is true: teams and talent matter. Jay posted the first words that entered his brain and that's a stupid thing to do in any heated situation. You cannot lose your cool like that as a very public figure for a well-known game company.
graywolf323
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someone updated the cast list for the Facebook comments
spindoctor
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I don't think anyone is denying that Wilson's response was ill conceived. He really should have said nothing at all. But people should see that it wasn't an unprovoked reaction... that guy was trash talking the entire D3 team, even if he did do it "politely".
mysteriousmage09
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All the Blizz employees in the conversation are acting like dumb asses. They took the comments Brevik made and responded with insults, middle school level burns, and arrogance. Brevik did make some arrogant statements himself, but he did the whole interview like a gentlemen as opposed the fucking comments by the Breakfast Club here. Also about the talent statement, he said that Blizzard Irvine didn't have the talent "for the genre Diablo falls under." Know why? Because everyone that was a part of Blizzard that had a big part in creating Diablo and Diablo II bailed when they were told themselves to scrap their vision of Diablo III and fuck off by Vivendi.
He never said Blizzard Irvine wasn't talented, he said they didn't have the talent in making Diablo games, which is 100% true. However you have people in here spinning that statement to make him sound like the Anti-Christ. All in all, this is not "one man" making a stupid comment. This a several Blizzard employees turning a non situation into a raging fire because they can't keep their fucking mouths shut. Everyone involved with that Facebook wall should be fucking ashamed of themselves for making such jack asses of themselves when all they needed to do was go offline.
But hey, always online is a bitch ain't it.
He never said Blizzard Irvine wasn't talented, he said they didn't have the talent in making Diablo games, which is 100% true. However you have people in here spinning that statement to make him sound like the Anti-Christ. All in all, this is not "one man" making a stupid comment. This a several Blizzard employees turning a non situation into a raging fire because they can't keep their fucking mouths shut. Everyone involved with that Facebook wall should be fucking ashamed of themselves for making such jack asses of themselves when all they needed to do was go offline.
But hey, always online is a bitch ain't it.
Of course it doesn't. I was just saying that he didn't want to do another Diablo game.
zerokoolpsx
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I've already said here that I believe Jay Wilson was unprofessional in his response and it was a clear PR mistake.
And no, I am not taking it personally. I just find it ridiculous that people are not seeing the clear underlying intent behind David Brevik's words and painting him as "polite" and "articulate" in here.
If I was Jay Wilson, I would definitely have taken it personally. How can he not? The guy basically just insulted him and his entire team.
You completely missed point. HE was saying about how people matter and how people define games they make and how different they are because different people work on them.
Diablo 3 fail has nothing with this quotes.
Even if he would say that B North was better he would be a dick but he would be absolutely right. B North created Diablo and created D3 succes even if not anyone of original team is present in comparition to new studio with ARPG noobs who proved that experience (lack of) matter (loot system various fuckups) and we have constantly this debate.
Youtube, Paragon of objectivity.
CecilRousso
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No, no one is doing that.
But some of us are saying that the interview does comesacross as arrogant, and that we can understand that the Blizzard folk are annoyed at that, even though some of their responses are not ok.
Haunted
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What's the difference between an opinion and an insult?
I am sure it was not the first time they read some "insults" about the team. Sure it's weirder because it is the D1/2 director, but come on. Your game sold millions.
CecilRousso
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I also love how people are comparing interview answers and facebook comments and uses that comparison as a judgement of people. Nothing wrong in that, eh?
You mean that you should take just take anything being thrown at you because the game you worked on sold well?
You mean that you should take just take anything being thrown at you because the game you worked on sold well?
Erm, no shit? Isn't that what Facebook and other social networking tools are for? You use them to interact with friends. Their mistake seems to be having it public as well.
Just because I'm friends with people doesn't mean I pat them on the back everytime someone says something bad about them. Is that what you use network tools for?
XANDER CAGE
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He is polite and articulate because he is doling out tough criticism without saying "Jay Wilson is a talentless boob". Wilson's a big boy who should be able to articulate his emotional responses just as well, especially over social media. It doesn't really matter if he took it personally - of course he did. Criticism should be taken personally.
But yeah. The "polite" part is finding a way to give brutal criticism without going for the throat. Harsh and polite are not mutually exclusive.
"Yo ya tiny dick's hangin' out" vs "Excuse me, your fly is undone."
"You suck at guitar" vs "I think you still need to practice more."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_XiT2mifo
But if you watched the video interview, he does come off as polite and articulate.
Given the questions he was asked in the interview, at least he answered them honestly.
Precisely. People are taking Jay Wilson's remarks as if he posted them on the Blizzard website. But that was on FB, a social networking site where I presume he didn't open his account up as a public figure.
The mistake wasn't in making the remarks he made. The mistake was in believing that the remarks he made were made completely in private and would have remained so.
zerokoolpsx
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They should have set their profiles to friends only, private, etc. Then they can talk all the shit they want without any repercussions.
Pretty much.
Seems like that's the opinion of the Blizz guys reading their posts.
But did he really believe they were being made in private? He can't be that dumb right?
JimmyRustler
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You'Re reading too much between those lines.
What he says is that the old Blizzard North team is more talented when it comes to games like Diablo, thanks to the experiance they have with the series. And he is completely right.
And I think this Hellgate London comparrison should stop. Neither did that game have as much budget nor as much development time. So of course we can't about the same level of quality.
Simple my dear Watson, why would anyone get hostile from some opinion? Because they know it's bad.
I would get all butt hurt if I made a game that sucked and people talked poorly/down on it.**
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Anyone hear that?
Can't wait until the day starts, a shit storm is about to start.
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I wouldn't, I have more brains than the ones portrayed, who are 30/40 year old's in the gaming industry, which is sad in itself.
I did watch the video interview. Sure, he does come across as polite and articulate. But are you really that naive to take everything that is thrown at you at face value? Just because he came across as polite and articulate, does it not matter that his words contained a subtle undertone of arrogance and ill intent? I only wish all human interactions were so simple and blunt. My life would certainly be a lot easier if it were like that.
It's a little childish to say fuck that loser, but it's only really bad if it's based solely on his feedback for D3, if guy is actually a dick, and the lead knows that, then it's different. There's too much personal influence that could be involved to really be miffed about this.
Well, considering that he would need to be even more stupid to have made that post while knowing that it could potentially go public, I am assuming that he thought otherwise.
maladroit
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so what if there was subtle undertones of anything? he's got an opinion on the recent (shitty) entry in a franchise he helped build. he's not setting a kindergartener's finger painting on fire and cackling in the kid's face. "fuck that loser" is like what, 35 years old? he should be able to have some self-control.
this right here. people should learn criticism, especially if it's from the creator of the game they just developed, which in turn became a let down.
CecilRousso
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You get that from their Facebook comments?
Wow, I hope you can live up those standards yourself, and never in your life overreact to anything.
graywolf323
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all signs point to him being even more stupid
You can't be serious about defending this.
Defending what?
Ok, so say I agreed with your comment that this interview comes across as arrogant, how does this make their response any less childish?
Imp the Dimp
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Battlenet forums are a joy ATM.
They obviously care very much about something they have worked so hard on. It's easy to see how emotion can take over, but we have to remember they are simply posting to peers on Facebook. I'm not sure who posted that image, but it was kind of a shitty thing to do.
Also, so D3 isn't D2, it's still not a bad game by any means. There are just some fundamental differences that simply change the dynamic of the game itself.
Also, so D3 isn't D2, it's still not a bad game by any means. There are just some fundamental differences that simply change the dynamic of the game itself.
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