baby formula: evil capitalist plot
http://news.yahoo.com/venezuela-considers-taking-bottles-babies-mouths-195601333.html
http://news.yahoo.com/venezuela-considers-taking-bottles-babies-mouths-195601333.html
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Venezuela considers taking bottles from babies' mouths
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OneEightZero
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That stuff is expensive.
There's a couple of things going on with the whole breast vs. formula feed thing.
On the one hand bottle and forumla feeding is a woman's independence thing. If you are solely breastfeeding a baby you're pretty much tied to them 24/7 as most babies have to eat every 3-4 hours. I know this because my last two kids were solely breastfed and neither would take a bottle. It's very frustrating for my wife at times as she can't go out on her own for more than 3 hours at a time, can't drink very much, etc. So you can't make bottles/formula illegal.
On the other hand it's pretty much undisputed that breast milk is better nutritionally than formula. Also, the formula companies make it easy as fuck to start formula feeding. They will send you free samples in the mail, they will give you free samples in the hospital, the doctor will give you free samples when you take your baby in to be seen. Breastfeeding can be hard as hell especially at first when you are trying to figure it out and if your baby is not getting enough food, well you have all these free samples of formula on hand! But the thing is as soon as you start not breastfeeding every 3 hours the milk supply dwindles causing a downward spiral until eventually most people are 100% formula feeding. So although you were being sarcastic it is a bit of a capitalist plot.
On the one hand bottle and forumla feeding is a woman's independence thing. If you are solely breastfeeding a baby you're pretty much tied to them 24/7 as most babies have to eat every 3-4 hours. I know this because my last two kids were solely breastfed and neither would take a bottle. It's very frustrating for my wife at times as she can't go out on her own for more than 3 hours at a time, can't drink very much, etc. So you can't make bottles/formula illegal.
On the other hand it's pretty much undisputed that breast milk is better nutritionally than formula. Also, the formula companies make it easy as fuck to start formula feeding. They will send you free samples in the mail, they will give you free samples in the hospital, the doctor will give you free samples when you take your baby in to be seen. Breastfeeding can be hard as hell especially at first when you are trying to figure it out and if your baby is not getting enough food, well you have all these free samples of formula on hand! But the thing is as soon as you start not breastfeeding every 3 hours the milk supply dwindles causing a downward spiral until eventually most people are 100% formula feeding. So although you were being sarcastic it is a bit of a capitalist plot.
That's the only thing that matters to me here. Venezuelan "socialists" waging a better war on women than the GOP. Absolutely disgusting.
Also, is not only formula, bottles may be banned as well.
Baby formula may very well be evil but this is a thing that shouldn't even be discussed into a law. If you want to promote breast feedding there are better ways.
scar tissue
Banned
This x1000.
If your body produces milk, there is no reason to not breastfeed your kid.
Edit: If you are around your kid, obviously.
KingofGourds
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I read the thread title the first three times as "Vuvuzela considers taking bottles from babies' mouths."
Got it on the fourth attempt though.
Obviously breast milk is best milk, but I'm not sure this is the right way to promote it....
Got it on the fourth attempt though.
Obviously breast milk is best milk, but I'm not sure this is the right way to promote it....
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Given Venezuela's food shortages I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if this was just a way to mask import/pricing problems. The government has been making all kinds of cooky excuses, specially since Chavez died.
Half and half
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Yep. I have wonderful memories of bonding with my child this way. Plus it gave my wife the opportunity to rest.
Squirrel Killer
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On the third hand, lactation consultants will make you feel like shit if your milk doesn't come in and the baby refuses to breastfeed.
You'll get no argument from me that they did this in the past, but - honest question - what is the evidence they're still doing it today?
yup, this
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
This. Remember when there were toilet paper shortages? Government explanation? Blame the people, they were eating more than before, hence the shortages...
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Oh, absolutely. I'm just pointing that this measure allows for medical exceptions.
CornBurrito
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You asked "what would happen to kids like me" and the answer was that exceptions would be allowed for health reasons. So really, nothing would happen to kids like you.
Don't shift the goal post to "NO THIS IS ABOUT CONSUMER RIGHTS" when someone answered your question with a perfectly legitimate answer.
CornBurrito
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He didn't answer you with a period. He answered you with a quote from the article itself, and then put a period at the end up his post to let you know that was the answer to your question.
I think you might want to read over his post again, it is perfectly understandable that you may have missed the fact that he quoted an answer to avoid having to type it all out himself.
Funky Papa
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RumblingRosco
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It's insane to ban this, even with exceptions. It's not the government's business.
BUT, with that said, the government should start a campaign to educate mothers about the numerous benefits to breast-feeding. I think if the government focuses on the health gains(for both the mother and infant), the reduced cost, and other benefits associated with breast-feeding instead of bottle-feeding, mothers will switch without being forced into it.
Education is the key here, folks.
BUT, with that said, the government should start a campaign to educate mothers about the numerous benefits to breast-feeding. I think if the government focuses on the health gains(for both the mother and infant), the reduced cost, and other benefits associated with breast-feeding instead of bottle-feeding, mothers will switch without being forced into it.
Education is the key here, folks.
Sgt.Pepper
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Lee primero.
Ban formula.
One of the greatest evils perpetrated against mankind has been the invention of formula.
Babies need to be breastfed for a full year to ensure proper immune system development. There are 30 million people in the US with autoimmune diseases and I suspect a fair number of them were not breastfed long enough or at all.
One of the greatest evils perpetrated against mankind has been the invention of formula.
Babies need to be breastfed for a full year to ensure proper immune system development. There are 30 million people in the US with autoimmune diseases and I suspect a fair number of them were not breastfed long enough or at all.
Breastmilk banks.
Yep, in order to promote something it's not necessary to forbid something else. It's completely draconinan.
You must be trolling, I would dare you to drink someone else's breast milk.
My wife worked for in the Hospital for about 6 years teaching women to breastfeed. Our first breastfed like a champ. Our second son wouldn't do it, and when he did he got extremely sick. We tried diet changes and everything, he would not keep her milk down under any circumstance. Taking the choice away from parents is nuts, their are tons of reasons a mother cant breastfeed her child.
Exactly my thoughts, titties aren't taps you can turn on and off.
CornBurrito
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Do babies give a fuck? Wet nursing was a thing in the past.
Human's are sick fucks, I would never give my child milk from an unknown source like that. In the US milk banks are unregulated. Most people who do buy milk that way, buy it off the internet. They have no idea where its coming from. Wet nursing was something usually done by a member of your household. Now its done by sending a bag through the mail.
For rich people. Babies who didn't take to breast milk from poorer mothers just died.
More babies legitimately require formula than you would satisfy from a breast milk bank, even ignoring logistics. Babies drink a lot of milk.
electroshockwave
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If you bottle feed kids they won't be able to comprehend posts on the internet.
Onion_Relish
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This means less breast milk for the rest of us!
Against
Against
CornBurrito
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Yeah I know. I have nothing against formula milk as an alternative.
I'm just saying that daring an adult to drink someone else's breast milk isn't really proving a point.
Good thing lactation porn is made in Brazil.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Mothers milk is slightly better, and mainly in the area of reducing infections, due to the presence of impossible to reproduce antibodies.
Devolution
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How about better education and healthcare for mothers instead of limiting choices?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
They should be breastfed so that while there immune system is developing they are provided protection by the IgA their mother secretes in the breast milk. Is their any evidence for the role of breast milk antibodies in autoimmune disease beyond statistical links with diabetes.
Yes. There is a link with inflammatory bowel disease.
There are still toilet paper shortages.
OT: I doubt any campaign that the government does at this point to promote anything would have any significant effect on society (well, particularly this breastfeeding business) as they have lost all credibility. Those who form part of their "audience" are mostlikely already breastfeeding.
Of course, thats the right way of doing things, teaching basic facts about weaning and breast milk vs formula would drive the point home easy enough, but its more convenient to for the regime to say...
Dear god, im being trolled here.
There are no details about the legislation, it could easily be a bureaucratic mess that put the caregivers in a position in which they are forced not to provide the formula to a needing infant for fear is being persecuted by the regime if such action is perceived as "illegal" Chavez-style.
General-gaf a lot of times seems like /r/politics. Facts? Nope. Only conspiracies and feelings.
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Squirrel Killer
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Even in full recognition of all the disadvantages of formula compared to breast milk, it's this kind of absurd black and white over-reaction that earns activists a bad name.
This pretty much is what was happening. Folks have been crossing the border to get baby milk. Some of this is China's fault, as they've been buying up baby formula in mass quantities causing a global shortage (which we don't see in the US)
Breast pumps?
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