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IGN: The naked eye cannot perceive the difference between 1080 and 720 before 50in
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I think these guys get way to much flak. They sometimes do say stupid things like this but I can tell its only to please the one minded folk that listen. They aren't some mindless Microsoft fanboys and they do have a lot of criticism about the xbox one, but that stuff doesn't get blown up. They say Microsoft screwed up power wise and will never be up to par with the ps4, but they say 900p should be the minimum. They even go as far to say why would someone with both consoles buy the xbox multiplat over the ps4 multiplat when one is native 1080 and one is upscaled. They compare the $499 price tag to the $399 and say it makes more sense for people to go with the ps4 when they can only get one.
Just my thought that they get quoted for the idiotic things they say, but I've listened to the majority of their podcasts and they do have valid criticisms about the xbox one and obviously they say positive things because that's their preference.
Just my thought that they get quoted for the idiotic things they say, but I've listened to the majority of their podcasts and they do have valid criticisms about the xbox one and obviously they say positive things because that's their preference.
symmetrical
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3rdamention
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So these are the professionals? I can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on little screenshots posted on GAF, easily.
I find it kinda funny that Polygon is saying we should have a choice coded within the game to choose what resolution we want (while also saying in their reviews that resolution doesn't affect gameplay so it doesn't really matter, thus games with higher resolutions getting the same score as the same game with a lower resolution), while IGN says that resolution doesn't matter unless you have a 50 inch TV or larger. Its like watching two monkeys trying to grab a football or something.
I could honestly hear the Benny Hill music playing in the background while reading the IGN and Polygon articles today.
I find it kinda funny that Polygon is saying we should have a choice coded within the game to choose what resolution we want (while also saying in their reviews that resolution doesn't affect gameplay so it doesn't really matter, thus games with higher resolutions getting the same score as the same game with a lower resolution), while IGN says that resolution doesn't matter unless you have a 50 inch TV or larger. Its like watching two monkeys trying to grab a football or something.
I could honestly hear the Benny Hill music playing in the background while reading the IGN and Polygon articles today.
Rogue_element
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superb
A pixel is made up of sub-pixels. Just because you can't see the sub-pixel, doesn't mean his pixel calculation is off.
Or did I misread your RGB (not yellow) thing?
This gif puts you on par with Sunhi in my opinion :lol
hydrophilic attack
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Wow, ElTorro does it again
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OldAsUrSock
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Thread is over.
Maybe if you are a blind dog.
Although 720p vs 1080p is not really the big issue here. It is the fact that many console games do not render at the accepted standard resolution for pretty much any TV you go buy today (1080p). If everyone still had 720p televisions, then sure 720 is fine. However, people have been buying 1080p sets for years and no matter how good your scaler is, it upscaled content looks noticeably worse than native content.
An even bigger insult is the 900p shit. That is no ones native resolution.
Although 720p vs 1080p is not really the big issue here. It is the fact that many console games do not render at the accepted standard resolution for pretty much any TV you go buy today (1080p). If everyone still had 720p televisions, then sure 720 is fine. However, people have been buying 1080p sets for years and no matter how good your scaler is, it upscaled content looks noticeably worse than native content.
An even bigger insult is the 900p shit. That is no ones native resolution.
Petrae
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Us vs. Them since 2012 and still going strong.
It's sad, really, to see such contempt and hatred from a group of people... it's practically a job requirement within the gaming media these days. The more you dislike and talk down to your readership, the more traffic you'll get. That's where the money is. And, since it's difficult to earn clicks because there are so many websites and so many writers out there, it's a battle of who pisses off more people-- not who writes/reports the most interesting stuff.
Solid warrior
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Most gamers out there are comparing it like this. As if it was Static images. Wallpapers, screenshots.
It's different when there is an upscaler and the game is in motion. You can hardly tell the difference. If both of the games are running side by side.
I don't follow. The point is that it depends how far you sit from the screen. Of course with portables and computers you'll be looking from closer where you'll notice the difference, but when you're on a TV, I don't see why it doesn't apply.
SimpleGamer
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Genius!
Rogue_element
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fantastic
The Faceless Master
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I'm not kidding, my jaw dropped reading this stuff.
Most people don't care, I get that - but if you're a journalist focused on this form of entertainment and everything that means, you sure did a fine job picking the career worst suited for you if you tell people that you need 50" to notice 1080p.
I've got so many more things to say, but I shouldn't feed these Xbox PR people more, and it'd probably be an overreaction.
Most people don't care, I get that - but if you're a journalist focused on this form of entertainment and everything that means, you sure did a fine job picking the career worst suited for you if you tell people that you need 50" to notice 1080p.
I've got so many more things to say, but I shouldn't feed these Xbox PR people more, and it'd probably be an overreaction.
3rdamention
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But did they preface that by saying you should buy the PS4 native 1080p version ONLY if you have a 50 inch TV or larger?>
It really is. Serves to show how intelligent and capable of argumentation they are when they portray NeoGAF as a hivemind.
On the other hand, I know where they're coming from. When everyone's telling you you're wrong the lines between individuals probably do get a little blurry.
BlackBuzzard
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yurinka
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bingo!
Most gamers out there are comparing it like this. As if it was Static images. Wallpapers, screenshots.
It's different when there is an upscaler and the game is in motion. You can hardly tell the difference. If both of the games are running side by side.
lmao
Actually, due to the lack of per-frame motion blur and due to CG aliasing, it's much, much more noticeable.
But nice try.
fastford58
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STOP GIVING THEM CLICKS.
I have managed to NEVER click any of their sites and I have survived as a gamer. Block them off your twitter. Do not go to their sites. Do not engage them in their shenanigans.
It is that easy. Just stahp. These people aren't fit to report on games, nor are they ethical or unbiased. They do not deserve to be working in the capacity they do. So stop supporting them.
I have managed to NEVER click any of their sites and I have survived as a gamer. Block them off your twitter. Do not go to their sites. Do not engage them in their shenanigans.
It is that easy. Just stahp. These people aren't fit to report on games, nor are they ethical or unbiased. They do not deserve to be working in the capacity they do. So stop supporting them.
Gamesadict
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Wow. Hahahaha
Don't be such an anal asshole about it. Just go outside and relax.
Teletraan1
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My naked eye cant tell the difference between this gif and the old one.
King Tubby
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I'm glad they're coming out and saying this stuff. At least lets me know whose opinion on graphics I can't trust.
Neuromancer
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To be fair, Ryan had already publicly said that IGN's target audience are idiots (in so many words). So they probably don't care if the information they're getting from him is accurate or not.
NinjamicWZ
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Translation:
Do not correct me when I am wrong. If you insist upon doing so, please keep in mind that I will never acknowledge or retain any facts or information that are pertinent to the subjects I discuss, or to my profession. I am not bought and paid for. I am simply incompetent and willfully ignorant. Can't we please just talk about drinks, books, girlfriend troubles, and a new project I've been working on? Fucking nerds, I swear!
Most gamers out there are comparing it like this. As if it was Static images. Wallpapers, screenshots.
It's different when there is an upscaler and the game is in motion. You can hardly tell the difference. If both of the games are running side by side.
wow which game is that?
Many notable figures in gaming "journalism" are people who neither have a technological background nor an interest in the technical details of the hardware that runs the games they play and review. During reviews, visuals are criticized based upon the subjective nature of "art direction" and objective complaints are relegated to framerate issues or visual glitches when they adversely affect their playthroughs.
Case in points include Gregg Miller's reiteration of "DDR5" instead of "GDDR5" for PS4 during and following PS4 reveal. In recent times, Adam Sessler's take on "Resolution gate" and now this.
The issue becomes when these individuals perpetuate these kinds notions, tantamount to old wive's tales and have been proven to be wrong by scientific assessments as "facts". It's fine by me and perhaps by many more if they do not care about the difference they can or cannot perceive since it's their prerogative but that does not change the facts. As such, the subsequent cavalier attitude of Mr. Dyer own up to his mistake is indicative of a mind that cannot distinguish between the ramification of presenting opinions as facts on record as an employee of a journalistic outlet. And this unfortunate outlook is shared among many in the industry (that are not a part of Anandtech or somesuch, in the corporate world).
What a shame.
Case in points include Gregg Miller's reiteration of "DDR5" instead of "GDDR5" for PS4 during and following PS4 reveal. In recent times, Adam Sessler's take on "Resolution gate" and now this.
The issue becomes when these individuals perpetuate these kinds notions, tantamount to old wive's tales and have been proven to be wrong by scientific assessments as "facts". It's fine by me and perhaps by many more if they do not care about the difference they can or cannot perceive since it's their prerogative but that does not change the facts. As such, the subsequent cavalier attitude of Mr. Dyer own up to his mistake is indicative of a mind that cannot distinguish between the ramification of presenting opinions as facts on record as an employee of a journalistic outlet. And this unfortunate outlook is shared among many in the industry (that are not a part of Anandtech or somesuch, in the corporate world).
What a shame.
My. God.
Laughing like a maniac at this, while I have a store full of customers is acceptable.... right?
BigPickZel
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When you say "lol these guys say there is no difference, I can tell the difference," you are showing off that you don't really understand how little weight anecdotal evidence carries. But that's the large portion of the evidence presented in the case against the comment in this thread, anecdotal "I can tell easily." It doesn't really help prove one way or another.
Baleoce
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gold haha
yeah a pixel is made up of 3 sub pixels, you can see them if you get very very close to your screen(like a few cm away) so 1080p is actually 3240 sub-pixel P. but you need to get a lot closer than 2m on a 50" screen to see any of the sub pixels. but shouldn't you be able to see them according to his calculation?
I can't tell the difference between 720p and 792p Mitch is redeemed.
Most gamers out there are comparing it like this. As if it was Static images. Wallpapers, screenshots.
It's different when there is an upscaler and the game is in motion. You can hardly tell the difference. If both of the games are running side by side.
LOL, harry potter is rendered at what resolution?
It's weird the relationship the press have with those they want to come to their sites and consume their content.
There seems to be a lot of disdain from the journos towards gamers , some even seem bitter about having to write about games for people like us.
What I really don't understand is how some journos can be asshats and borderline abusive towards their readers. If I go on my social media and call my clients entitled man babies I'm probably looking for a new job , yet the likes of Dyer and Gies say whatever the fuck they want.
There seems to be a lot of disdain from the journos towards gamers , some even seem bitter about having to write about games for people like us.
What I really don't understand is how some journos can be asshats and borderline abusive towards their readers. If I go on my social media and call my clients entitled man babies I'm probably looking for a new job , yet the likes of Dyer and Gies say whatever the fuck they want.
QuicheFontaine
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Seriously. "Thing I was told".
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