Metroid-Squadron
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The console version didn't deliver, From knew this and yet decided to keep advertising the game as if it did.
All the people that bought the game based on the advertising were swindled.
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#DarkSoulsDowngrade and #YOULIED \\ a.k.a You got some splainin' to do, Namco
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All the people that bought the game based on the advertising were swindled.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Because we don't know if it is still the PC version of the game, and if it's being advertised as the PS3 version up until the very end (being included on playstation gaming channels), that's misleading and deceptive.
Yes. Are you ignoring the fact that they advertised this as the console version? Look at the back of the box. If Titanfall has XBOne screens on the back of the 360 box Respawn and EA should be given shit about it.
You forgot the "don't use misleading, bullshit promotional material" part.
Essentially, yeah.
I expect corporate distance from other developers and publishers. But Dark Souls? That's what's maddening. You have a fan base that have done so much in spreading the good word about the franchise, and you treat them like this? I find that amazing. Astounding, even.
FairXchange
Member
Didn't deliver what exactly? It delivers on everything I anticipated it would, and then some. Oh no, the game isn't overly dark forcing me to use a torch every time I turn a corner and light a sconce, how am I supposed to play this piece of shit!
Here is where you go wrong again. It wasn't PC footage. It was Console footage. PEOPLE PLAYED THE GAME WITH THE GRAPHICS SHOWN.
So it was, working on PS3, and playable. Now, if they say it was to maintain frame-rate, they didn't do a good job of that either, did they?
If they say this is the case, people will be a lot happier. In fact, it's the absolute best outcome we can hope for at this point. If they continue to remain silent, that's worrying.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
I was on a blackout for this game so this was news to me. I was wondering what was up with all the sconces in the game. Pretty shocking how big the changes are in the examples given.
FROM isn't an advertising agency. Blame Namco.
DrROBschiz
Member
Im sorry but wasn't the point of the test to ascertain whether it ran properly the way it was configured
If you took part and were privy to the data the writing should have been on the wall that adjustments need to be made
Then again I suppose From never bothered to publish such data publicly... why would they i guess. Is that what this is all about?
Heads are really gonna roll if the PC/Next Gen dont deliver...
Can we get some more media on the Beta/Retail differences.
We're still talking about an if here and people are worried that this isn't going to be the case.
Plus this very same footage has been used to market the console versions of the game, like, right on the back of the box even. I'd say that's deceptive.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Didn't deliver the graphical quality promised, game mechanics orienting around a graphical feature that was talked about as a main feature of the game from the beginning, etc.
It's great you're so easy to please but your dismissive attempts are laughable.
Which is why you should never trust any company about their own products. You absolutely must read, listen, and see impressions from normal users on the retail build if things like this dictate your purchase choices.
I mean, the PC is the LEAD platform. The console versions are ports. Demos and betas are limited chunks of game that are super optimized and limited and scope. Trusting any of these things to the letter is foolish.
Are some people using this as a way to garner support for an upgraded PC version and could give a shit less whether people who bought it on console were lied to?
Like make enough noise and Namco/From will make the PC version better? That would be a pretty cool side effect to all this. I'll be double dipping on PC for the better framerate alone.
Like make enough noise and Namco/From will make the PC version better? That would be a pretty cool side effect to all this. I'll be double dipping on PC for the better framerate alone.
Then go and get your money back.
If this is clearly a case of false advertising, you should be entitled to a refund.
I don't think Ive ever seen a developer ever talk about their downgrades in a similar matter, unless you see a post mortem or a dev speak out who's either anonymous or now with the company any more.
The silence is pretty much what happens all across the board. Not to say that it's a good practice. Think of any developer that has pushed bullshots of a game and then talked about the bullshots being bullshots later.
Hah, you talk about trust, and you believe PC is the lead platform? Seriously?
zephervack
Member
Left is Network test --- Right is Retail
Thanks for the links, they look very similar, the biggest change is that the retail version is way brighter than the Network test.
Doesnt look as big of a change as the other areas.
Bandai was showing the PC version at events and saying it was footage from the PS3 version. Not until February did we begin seeing actual footage and screenshots from the console version.
If I'm being completely honest with you, yes. But don't take that as representative of the whole thread.
Downgraded visuals comes with the territory.
XANDER CAGE
Member
Left is Network test --- Right is Retail
Thanks for the links, they look very similar, the biggest change is that the retail version is way brighter than the Network test.
Doesnt look as big of a change as the other areas.
Network Test was likely a similar build to the TGS build, which had less ridiculously good geometry than the original reveal but still had the dark dynamic shadow system intact. That's what I'd assume, at least.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
Read the thread.
As far as I know, FROM distributes their games on Japan on their own, meaning the TGS demos were their call.
We'll see when it's released. It's a possible explanation and the most probable one at the moment. Even if I was planning on getting the PC version, I wouldn't get it day one anyway, which is my whole point.
It's been stated a few times now, but really; the game was playable in the advertised form at trade events. It's literally just the final game that seems to have this significant downgrade. And it's the sudden downgrade in relation to these demos that has everyone perplexed.
It's one thing for an E3 presentation. It's another to have the game publicly playable at TGS with all of these bells and whistles that are stripped out of the versions the kiosks were supposedly built on. And it's the drop from that which From or Namco should at least elaborate on. I really, firmly stand on the position that if these downgrades were more pronounced in later footage and builds, nobody would be up in arms. Fact is, we have footage from weeks ago that simply does not match the final game considering some of it was reported to be console footage, and that seems disingenuous. If it was all on PC, state so. Don't lie to people playing on PS3 kiosks, saying it's the PS3 version, when it's something else.
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Unless he bought from Origin, he's eating the cost of that game, and at most can get a brand new copy from the manufacturer. FROM isn't EA, and half this thread is proof you won't have a large class action, so lawyers are out of the question. Guess everyone can go back to talking about how awesome the game is.
Raven77
Member
Wait so you actually anticipated that the game would look nothing like what FROM revealed to be the game? Why would you be of that mindset based on FROM's track record?
jacksepticeye
Member
Missing most of the points being discussed in this thread
FairXchange
Member
That's funny that you'd accuse me of being easy to please, I'd say you are easy to offend. Let's say they kept the torch feature. I wouldn't want to run out of torch life (as its on a timer) then basically be forced to stop exploring an area until I somehow found another torch somewhere else in the game. It just seems like a broken mechanic that couldn't be properly implemented, and ultimately who the fuck are we to tell an artist how to paint their picture? If the game advertised as Dark Souls then shipped as a fucking space flight simulator then I'd get your qualms, but it advertised Dark Souls 2 then delivered on being Dark Souls 2. The differences in the pre-launch build and retail build are not an affront to mankind like many are treating it, it's simply how it went based on hardware, money and time limitations and the sooner you deal with it, the sooner you might be able to enjoy the game that shipped.
Left is Network test --- Right is Retail
Thanks for the links, they look very similar, the biggest change is that the retail version is way brighter than the Network test.
Doesnt look as big of a change as the other areas.
The brightness change can be attributed to the overwhelming feedback that the game was way too dark in the network test, or even the recording settings from the two different captures.
If you look at the differences between console and PC footage, do you doubt PC wasn't the lead platform? Its like a generational gap.
The geometry and textures are the exact same in the PC trailer as the retail console version.
Is the reality of game development also when developers put images, which no longer represents their game, on the back of the game's box too?
Same here. I mean, doing this to get the PC version to be better.
Isn't Dark Souls supposed to be hard? Your complaints sound like you just don't want to have to change your strategies. Sorry people wanted what they were promised.
For what it's worth I'm not. I just want an apology. I don't care what the PC or hypothetical current gen versions look like.
Not to say i disagree with you, but they've been doing that shit since gaming has been out. SNES boxes with arcade grafics and such
Actually, yes, it happens more often than you'd think.
I just hope that even if the PC version has the console downgrade, that there is a hi-res texture pack download option at the very least.
The game will still likely be very fun and challenging with the worse-off graphics, but I will be disappointed if they don't take advantage of higher-end PC hardware in any way.
I blame Durante for pulling the blinders off me and exposing the beauty of the first Dark Souls. Now I'm spoiled and want everything to look amazing.
The game will still likely be very fun and challenging with the worse-off graphics, but I will be disappointed if they don't take advantage of higher-end PC hardware in any way.
I blame Durante for pulling the blinders off me and exposing the beauty of the first Dark Souls. Now I'm spoiled and want everything to look amazing.
Yes, all the time.
FairXchange
Member
The game is hard enough as it is! I've died over 50 times in less than 12 hours of play so far, and none of it had to do with fumbling with a torch in an overly darkened dungeon.
jacksepticeye
Member
It would ease some of it for sure, but I'd still hate how they went about the release and preview showings.
If the PC version comes looking like the old build people will feel less lied to because that first promise/vision of the game is still there then in some form or other and they didn't just outright trick everyone or lie completely.
I'd feel bad for the people stuck with the console version though
Raven77
Member
Which is false advertising. It's illegal, by the way.
I just hope that even if the PC version has the console downgrade, that there is a hi-res texture pack download option at the very least.
The game will still likely be very fun and challenging with the worse-off graphics, but I will be disappointed if they don't take advantage of higher-end PC hardware in any way.
I blame Durante for pulling the blinders off me and exposing the beauty of the first Dark Souls. Now I'm spoiled and want everything to look amazing.
They have confirmed that the PC version will have better textures: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/03/07/dark-souls-2-pc-release-date/
Is this for real or a joke?
Oh. I wouldn't know, I haven't seen a box for years.
What about when it comes to the Steam store images, and online retailers?
legacyzero
Banned
It doesn't make it right, sure. But at the end of the day, if the PC version is where's it's at, there's a reason. It just sucks they never said anything.
That just means I know what version I'm buying.
Except for the "actual gameplay images may vary" or stuff like that which is always in fine print and everyone seems to ignore.
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