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[ultratruman]

How many polygons made up the gameplay?

Quite a bit, the visuals and destructible environments make running around and causing carnage a lot of fun.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Do we know whether the cutscenes are rendered in realtime or are they fmv?

They are real-time.

 

[KKRT00]

still is more impresive on a open world game no matter how you want to spin it..also more impresive is sucker punch is not crytek..they dont have the money or resources of crytek on ryse and still they managed to make the most impressive graphical game of the launch window,at 1080p with a open world

cant wait for ND to show what is the ps4 capable of

What am i spinning?

I just said that there is nothing that prevents Ryse detail in open world scenario. The only difference between Ryse and open world Ryse would be background LOD transition in some scenes and some areas would look subpar than other, because they would be limited by assets production and optimization.

 

[Edwards_Omatic]

Complete overkill IMO. Would have thought you could get the models looking just as good with around 80k, letting the textures do the work.

 

[block tower]

so how different would Cole from the first two Infamous games look rendered in the same 120k polygons as Deslin? would it be a complete night and day difference?

 

[jacksepticeye]

Delsin and Reggie impressed me the most. Augustine looked really rough at times and didn't seem to be the same LOD.

Betty looked great too

 

[CriterionDog]

I didn't really think much of the Character's in infamous, beyond Delsin all of their faces were awful and when they raised their arms it looked like they had wingsuits on. Even the main villain was awful and looked like she had a facial from the same Spa that Captain Shepherd used.


Beyond's were fantastic even without as many polygons

Really? I found ISS to have the most impressive faces and reactions.

 

[Black Door]

Maybe they should have cut that in half and concentrated on making the game more than 6 hours long.

 

[Tabular]

From the full GDC postmortem slides posted here on the official site

No wonder they were impressive. Definitely some of the best looking characters in current gen game.

Agreed. Some of the best facial performances running in real time.

 

[EvB]

sucker punch is not crytek..they dont have the money or resources of crytek on ryse

What?
They will have had resources thrown at them until they got the results that are expected of infamous, just like all the big first party titles, just as Naughty dog do and Studio 343 or any of the big 1st party developers do.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

What am i spinning?

I just said that there is nothing that prevents Ryse detail in open world scenario. The only difference between Ryse and open world Ryse would be background LOD transition in some scenes and some areas would look subpar than other, because they would be limited by assets production and optimization.

Only if they manage to get an open world Ryse running on the Xbox One with the same visual fidelity as of the original Ryse

Spoiler

I don't mean to start a console war here, so please take it as a joke

 

[Daemul]

http://crytek.com/download/ryse_gdc_2014_AbdenourB_ChrisE.pptx

Slide 35, but i recommend whole presentation, it is great with tons of very high resolution images. Decompress pptx to get all of them

This is a damn good presentation, I've enjoy what I've read of it so far. Thanks for linking it.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

I didn't really think much of the Character's in infamous, beyond Delsin all of their faces were awful and when they raised their arms it looked like they had wingsuits on. Even the main villain was awful and looked like she had a facial from the same Spa that Captain Shepherd used.

In the case of inFamous here, it is more about the art style than polygons. The character design wasn't good for the main villain.

I liked Reggie, Delsin and Fetch though.

This shot is from the beginning of the gameplay segment. (PS4 compression warning)

 

[LCGeek]

still is more impresive on a open world game no matter how you want to spin it..also more impresive is sucker punch is not crytek..they dont have the money or resources of crytek on ryse and still they managed to make the most impressive graphical game of the launch window,at 1080p with a open world

cant wait for ND to show what is the ps4 capable of

Not really you can make the claim doesn't change what is going on. You're coming up with garbage to justify an opinion. Crytek isn't made of money which is why they are with MS so you can get rid of that notion you spouted about them. If they had the resources they wanted I doubt they'd be on console. What you said about crytek does apply to sucker punch.

Both teams did amazing things and one them did it on the lesser system of the generation.

 

[Dragon]

Not really you can make the claim doesn't change what is going on. You're coming up with garbage to justify an opinion. Crytek isn't made of money which is why they are with MS so you can get rid of that notion you spouted about them. If they had the resources they wanted I doubt they'd be on console. What you said about crytek does apply to sucker punch.

Both teams did amazing things and one them did it on the lesser system of the generation.

So let me get this straight. Pushing graphics in an open world game isn't as impressive because it's on a more powerful system?

 

[dragonbane]

Interesting that Beyond is at 30k. She looks pretty damn good at only 1/4 the polys.

30k polys sure looking good:

 

[Dragon]

30k polys sure looking good:

So do spoilers.

 

[UnrealEck]

I wasn't aware of that actually, thanks for the correction.

I think the impressive thing here is that Second Son is an open world game. Ryse had impressive looking characters for sure, but it wasn't exactly open world. That's what it makes more interesting for me here, that they went with such higher polygon count.

The hardware isn't drawing the entire open world though at once time. It's not as clear cut black and white as that. You would have to know how much is being drawn in each game per frame if it's a comparison of things like polygon counts.

 

[dragonbane]

So do spoilers.

Can't see any. Those scenes were all shown in pre-release material. And the ones that weren't are dependent on player choice. So no, I think these are fine. Besides, the game is over 6 months old.

 

[LCGeek]

So let me get this straight. Pushing graphics in an open world game isn't as impressive because it's on a more powerful system?

It's not impressive cause the power is there now, anybody looking at open world titles from the last 4 years compared to anything before can see that. If you can't owell don't need to get in to something that vids and screenshots abound can easily show. If this was one or two generations ago where power limited what open world games could done on a console I'd be giving kudos out. Yet we have seen what machines can do be it open world or not with the power we have, it's not what it once was.

 

[RoboPlato]

Holy crap. Was not expecting it to be more than The Order since that's modeling clothes separately although I shouldn't be surprised since the beanie is 7500 polys alone.

 

[luca_29_bg]

Every part of clothing that should move on Delsin did move, so not sure what you're talking about.

Simple, geometry and details are more complex on the order characters. They are much more impressive for me, from a visual standpoint. They have a CGish detail in some way. Delsin not...

 

[thebigmanjosh]

Quite a bit, the visuals and destructible environments make running around and causing carnage a lot of fun.

Apparently the engine draws ~11 million for the whole scene at any given moment, so yeah "quite a bit" indeed.

http://suckerpunch.playstation.com/images/stories/GDC14_infamous_second_son_engine_postmortem.pdf

 

[Stillmatic]

I didn't really think much of the Character's in infamous, beyond Delsin all of their faces were awful and when they raised their arms it looked like they had wingsuits on. Even the main villain was awful and looked like she had a facial from the same Spa that Captain Shepherd used.

Beyond's were fantastic even without as many polygons

The poly count is definitely high. Texture res, maybe not, but poly count sure is.

 

[TheAdmiester]

This is from cutscene though.

Is it just me or do those face/wrinkle textures look very muddy, low-res and ugly?

 

[DanteGhost]

Are people playing the same games as I am, or the same pictures for that matter? The game is beautiful, it is by a long mile the best looking game of this gen so far. If someone is not satisfied by this graphics in an open world game, there is just no way to satisfy them, period.

 

[Shin-Ra]

Lots of nice modelled wrinkles and layered clothing.

Augustine's hair looks fantastic, and the earpieces.

 

[EvB]

Is it just me or do those face/wrinkle textures look very muddy, low-res and ugly?

No that, is what most of the facial textures are like.

The example of the lighting above really does highlight the models though

 

[dragonbane]

Beyond is an awful game though. It has severe framerate hitches and is not open world.

It's also on PS3. I really enjoyed it and the framerate was solid with the exception of like 2 chapters where some unbelievable shit was going down particle wise.

 

[LCGeek]

Are people playing the same games as I am, or the same pictures for that matter? The game is beautiful, it is by a long mile the best looking game of this gen so far. If someone is not satisfied by this graphics in an open world game, there is just no way to satisfy them, period.

Whose unsatisfied?

Also as this and other threads have shown not everyone is sharing the same opinion on this game or other next gen graphic heavy hitters.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

I didn't really think much of the Character's in infamous, beyond Delsin all of their faces were awful and when they raised their arms it looked like they had wingsuits on. Even the main villain was awful and looked like she had a facial from the same Spa that Captain Shepherd used.

Beyond's were fantastic even without as many polygons

Funny you picked these two shots, as that's the only one of the few things I hated about this game. Delsin's power up face is hilarious.

With that said, no one can with their pure honesty deny that the game looks great.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Very impressive considering it's an open world engine and the best looking console game of all time.

 

[TheAdmiester]

No that, is what most of the facial textures are like.

The example of the lighting above really does highlight the models though

This one?

Because the rest look "okay" but that one looks terrible.

 

[cgcg]

What am i spinning?

I just said that there is nothing that prevents Ryse detail in open world scenario. The only difference between Ryse and open world Ryse would be background LOD transition in some scenes and some areas would look subpar than other, because they would be limited by assets production and optimization.

Considering they can't even get a semi-stable 30fps, an open world game the fps would've taken a nose dive.

 

[DanteGhost]

Whose unsatisfied?

Also as this and other threads have shown not everyone is sharing the same opinion on this game or other next gen graphic heavy hitters.

Is it just me or do those face/wrinkle textures look very muddy, low-res and ugly?

And that's just like 3 posts above mine. Low-res? Muddy? Ugly? Wait what?

 

[Shin-Ra]

The wrinkles actually animate and don't look quite as low res as they do in stills. Definitely an area for improvement though.

They give some of the subtle animation that only L.A. Noire has captured well.

 

[LCGeek]

And that's just like 3 posts above mine. Low-res? Muddy? Ugly? Wait what?

My bad I tend to phase those comments out by default, especially in the way it was said.

I see the muddy part due to lighting or lack of depth but low res or ugly is a bit comical to me.

 

[TheAdmiester]

The wrinkles actually animate and don't look quite as low res as they do in stills. Definitely an area for improvement though.

That kind of explains it, but there's still definitely ugly blockiness going on, especially in the neck wrinkles.

 

[IcyEyes]

The SP guys have achieved to create one of the most beautiful (and powerful) looking game in the market and 120k polygons for a character in an open world environment is pretty impressive.

 

[NBtoaster]

And that's just like 3 posts above mine. Low-res? Muddy? Ugly? Wait what?

It can still be the best looking game and have bad wrinkle textures.

 

[DanteGhost]

My bad I tend to phase those comments out by default, especially in the way it was said.

I see the muddy part due to lighting or lack of depth but low res or ugly is a bit comical to me.

It's ok. It really is a shame that the gameplay is so bland in Second Son, because graphically it delivers.

 

[Shin-Ra]

I can't find it in that PDF but somewhere it says Delsin's head is 60,000 and beanie another 7,500 polys. You can see how the edge has lots of little modelled curves.

That kind of explains it, but there's still definitely ugly blockiness going on, especially in the neck wrinkles.

I must say I don't remember seeing neck wrinkles but maybe I wasn't looking there!

 

[chrominance]

The wrinkles actually animate and don't look quite as low res as they do in stills. Definitely an area for improvement though.

They give some of the subtle animation that only L.A. Noire has captured well.

Yeah, in one of the early cutscenes they give Betty's face an expressiveness that starts to climb out the other side of the uncanny valley--clearly still artificial and weird, but you can see what they were going for and it's less eerily mask-like than facial expressions have been in the past.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I didn't really think much of the Character's in infamous, beyond Delsin all of their faces were awful and when they raised their arms it looked like they had wingsuits on. Even the main villain was awful and looked like she had a facial from the same Spa that Captain Shepherd used.

Nah, Betty smiling looks amazing. Augestene didn't look too hot hot though and Reggie was somewhat inconsistent.

 

[shandy706]

The order 1886 characters are "over 100k" and anyway Delsin is shit compared to the order 1886 main characters, cloths and details are in another world. Something is wrong...

Poly-count doesn't automatically = the best looking (or worse looking) characters.

Depends on the skill of those working with the models. Same with facial/skeletal animations.

 

[SolidChamp]

I have no idea what polygons are in relation to gaming.

I just know when shit looks good.

 

[Dragon]

It's also on PS3. I really enjoyed it and the framerate was solid with the exception of like 2 chapters where some unbelievable shit was going down particle wise.

Whether it's on PS3 or PS1, people are comparing it to Infamous, so it's not really relevant.

The framerate is not solid at all. It literally freezes multiple times during a single playthrough. And when I say freezes, it basically makes the player question if the game crashed.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Beyond could definitely benefit from a remaster edition.

 

[Shin-Ra]

Beyond could definitely benefit from a remaster edition.

Mmmhmm.

 

[RoboPlato]

I didn't really think much of the Character's in infamous, beyond Delsin all of their faces were awful and when they raised their arms it looked like they had wingsuits on. Even the main villain was awful and looked like she had a facial from the same Spa that Captain Shepherd used.

Beyond's were fantastic even without as many polygons

These are the only two faces in the game I didn't like. The lighting always caught Delsin oddly during the power up sequences and Augustine looks like she came out of UE3. Everyone else was excellent though and Delsin was near perfect in almost every other shot.