MS has never corrected the filth that Albert Panello spread all over Gaf for months either...MS even has an achievement for buying "the most powerful console" they never corrected that to "the second most powerful console"
whats your point?
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PS+ version of Driveclub will have 5 tracks (1 country) and 10 cars.
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MS has never corrected the filth that Albert Panello spread all over Gaf for months either...MS even has an achievement for buying "the most powerful console" they never corrected that to "the second most powerful console"
whats your point?
Where's their estimate for the original amount of content for the original release/original PS+ version? You can't say that things have changed with the amount of content without inside information, and I want to know where you're getting it.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY THINK THAT?
Dude, why would they even bother releasing the game at retail for $60, at all, if they were going to release the whole thing free on PS+?
Holy shit people complain way to much. Your expectations for a game in development costing millions was you would get over half of the project for free. Get a life people. Videogames are a business. Sony is out to make money. Anyone upset over a large demo being offered needs to come back to the real world. It was either a glorified demo or free to play microtransation title. The demo seems like the better way to go.
and where are your numbers to support your argument?...you have been making up numbers and pulling them out of your ass for this entire thread...burden of proof is on you my friend...
Did anyone really expect, what... 80-90% of the full game? They even said the full game would still be an option to buy for PS+ members, discounted even (I still expect them to hold up that end of the bargain). But I for one did expect it to be a glorified demo, a la GT Prologue, except that costs money, and this is free.
I'm completely okay with this. I'm extremely picky about the controls in my racing games, so a demo is all I want to see how it works. If I like it, I'll buy the whole shebang.
I'm completely okay with this. I'm extremely picky about the controls in my racing games, so a demo is all I want to see how it works. If I like it, I'll buy the whole shebang.
"The only difference between the PS Plus edition and the boxed retail is that there's a slightly scaled down version of content," said senior designer Ben Gouldstone.
http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/drive...on_to_release_alongside_complete_version.html
Slightly != missing 80% of the content
The demo shouldn't take up a free game slot on PS+, and since you yourself called it a demo, you agree.
EmptySpace
Banned
please, they did not give out details or exact figures. people assuming and making their own little game in their mind and then being disappointed because of things they imagined.
evo already said players are getting all all all the features, which has been their initial point if you people actually read their posts. they were talking about challenges, the social structure, etc. those are in the ps+ edition and the only things that will be missing are cars and tracks but everything else is there. all modes, drift challenges, time trials, everything except the full list of cars and tracks.
all those for being subscribed to ps plus. stop whining over a few (no pun intended) words off of some blog posts. that's not what you imagined, fine. you peeps make it seem like you were somehow duped out of your money.
travisbickle
Member
This youtube video
http://youtu.be/6LOFjLeKmrA?t=4m25s
has the same employee speaking about the PS+ edition and he says "it has all the core content but you won't have all the cars or all the tracks but you can buy them individually or upgrade to the full version."
is this better for you?
Like I said they implied that by us getting the "full SP experience" as those who "paid for it" we are inclined to believe we are getting the same, well, experience. Instead we have 4 countries locked off, and we can safely assume if you play racing games even minutely, we can expect a proportionate amount of cars and tracks are being taken from us as well. To me that is far from the "few" that was promised to us.
News that we won't experience the full "DriveClub Tour" actually is directly contradicting that statement, unless you think of it as you get the "full-experience" of one small portion of the game as would a paid person who would get the same "full-experience" of solely that small part.
Because I have genuine concerns so it's easy for me to dissect what you say when you have baseless arguments that don't even address what I say, and rather clump in the same group as the one idiot on this thread who is arguing for all the wrong reasons.
They were pretty outlandish in responding even remotely to what I was arguing, yes. In regards to PS plus being a free appetizer for the full game of Drive Club, I actually agree, something you've seem to roll over in your ramblings.
The way the developer is treating the situation at this current moment in time will probably affect whether or not I continue in the efforts to purchase this game however, because I don't agree with the practices of the developer. That said, I still might buy the game as I am really interested in what it has to offer.
there is no context for how much content was added during the year delay..."slightly" could have been accurate at the time...
I have no info whatsoever and have prefaced most of my comments regarding content
with "may", "perhaps" and etc.
I've even mentioned a couple times that Rushy should chime in to clarify his comments
since some have equated that to a blood oath.
boom, done...stopped reading there...you fail, end of argument...
what you should have said was "I assumed"
Relaxed Muscle
Member
That both companies lied?
I'm not sure, but it was sure made the "de facto" statement regarding the PS+ version, at least here. And here is not some no-name forum, it's GAF.
That's not really contradicting what Rushy said here...
Killing_Joke
Member
You spend 50 bucks. You literally get 1k+ worth of free games and savings in a year. With exclusive hardware features. Resogun was "free" with very small amount of content but no one bitched right? Because it was "free" and a great game. One can even argue DC+ will have more content and replayability than most PS+ games. But everyone is clinging on to one quote that happened MONTHS ago which at the time was talking about a game that was coming out at launch. Shit changed. There was no "promise" or guarantees. There wasn't even a PR release for it ffs. Just some small simple quotes that are being nitpicked to fucking death.
Hell, i even agree that some have the right to be a little angry. They did make it seem like you were getting a big chunk of the game. But we're not and it's still free for PS+ members. Which most of the cry babies in this thread already are. Which makes this debate even more ridiculous.
Hell, i even agree that some have the right to be a little angry. They did make it seem like you were getting a big chunk of the game. But we're not and it's still free for PS+ members. Which most of the cry babies in this thread already are. Which makes this debate even more ridiculous.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Hopefully those concerns will be addressed by the portion of the game many of us were going to try regardless of how much content since we either wanted a demo or this slightly upped content piece of content.
The difference in how we feel is how much outrage this really is worth. It's not worth a lot of the ranting in this thread. We're arguing over what's being given for free in a promised sampling of the full game with a discount to the fully featured version. There's no where else to go because it comes down to you trying the game and making a decision to support or not support. Or being sold enough on the solid foundation we have or the amazing visuals and that's enough.
With the changes in the director and an employee not being the PR arm I would not take it all at face value as during development thins are bound to change.
In the end, I'm damn happy about what we're getting and if it's not for me I'm not getting it. I think someone who has read my series of posts in this thread assumes I'm some Sony defender or Drive Club apologist. I'm just arguing basics over how this free versions is being interpreted. I'm not sold all the way on the game but damn if this nice Plus version won't go a long way in defining whether or not I spend my hard earned dollars on this. That's the bottom line really.
This is really just semantics. I don't think by content he meant tracks and cars. He meant the entirety of the game. So in that sense, cutting down the tracks and cars, but keeping all the modes and other features intact, could be construed as "slightly scaled down."
Of course most people wouldn't agree but it's PR speak.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Is worth what ppl feels is worth. I applaud at every moment consumers stand when they are being lied or mislead.
What who said it was the free game in October. Even so, how much is really needed to justify 50 dollars a year. That is the problem when you give people free stuff. All they do is expect more and feel entitled for what they have received.
PirateKing
Junior Member
Guys take a step back, read OP, then come back and look at the complainers. We're costumers, we have a right to complain on what was initially told. Yes, they were expecting because they were told they'd get a good portion of the game. I personally thought it'd be somewhere around 50% with an option to pay half the price digitally to unlock the rest of the game's content. It makes sense from a consumer's point of view.
It's purely Sony's fault on how they advertised this, and we know that in business things change, for better or worse and we have a right to voice our opinion and speak with our wallet. Remember that Dark Souls 2 thread about the downgrade of the graphics? This thread is pretty similar.
Some people are over reacting a little, but even so, they still have a right to be pissed off. It's natural. PS+ doesn't always deliver, but let's hope they'll also give out an indie game on that month so the value goes up. Tweet some of the Sony representative perhaps? They'll hear you if you speak.
It's purely Sony's fault on how they advertised this, and we know that in business things change, for better or worse and we have a right to voice our opinion and speak with our wallet. Remember that Dark Souls 2 thread about the downgrade of the graphics? This thread is pretty similar.
Some people are over reacting a little, but even so, they still have a right to be pissed off. It's natural. PS+ doesn't always deliver, but let's hope they'll also give out an indie game on that month so the value goes up. Tweet some of the Sony representative perhaps? They'll hear you if you speak.
Don't try to change the topic now. You asked me to quote some other source saying the same bs that the guy from Evolution spread on the forum and I did.
Also you actually believe that game would have shipped with a total of like 8-9 tracks and 14-15 cars had it not been delayed?
lol this is pretty much it.
It can. Lets say you have 5 candies I ask you if I can have a few and I take 4 of the 5 candies, that is a majority.
Edit: But I think they should give us more tracks and cars =/
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Me too, I don't think anyone had any assertions as to whether or not the amount of content on this promised free version to Plus members would have any bearing on whether or not they would buy this game.
As noted before, the difference between 6 tracks/20cars and most features vs 5 tracks/1- cars and most features is not enough for me to tip the scales one way or another.
I will boot up the game and make my mind up whether I get all the features or not. What we're arguing here is still a sampler and not the full version of a multi million dollar budgeted game.
And to be even clearer, this news is hardly worth the more deep end outrage as there have been a lot of posts which haven't even read all of the bits and have just come on in here and dismissed this because they misinterpreted this as being the full version being offered. Yes, at least one post made that claim. That right there is a you problem.
I will enjoy this free sampler thank you. You can continue throwing hissy fits and making ridiculous posts.
oh my god what is happening in here
more so it should be a lesson to people to stop assuming, and use their brains...there is very little "shady shit" going on here...just a little of entitled attitudes...
Yeah that worked real well for Microsoft didn't it.
Well, in that case why can't Microsoft break their DRM policy promise now that they are facing negative feedback from stockholders? I mean Microsoft is constantly in search of more and more new apps they can use, and DRM would help ensure they get more profits and help boost a sense of security in the partners which would remedy the cash intake and make the Xbox division profitable and be seen as gold in the eyes of investors. I mean "technically" Microsoft never said :"never" and the Xbox division saw many changes, in management and in console development. Shouldn't they be justified in this action?
In my opinion, any company that wants to screw over consumers by saying things like having the "full single player experience" with "only a few tracks and cars" while only offering ~20% of the content is still manipulating users. I could absolutely care less how much delays and budget increases they went through. I am the consumer and they make the products that they have to find appealing for me. If they want to clarify on the issue, I'm all on board. I'm just not confident in my purchase in Drive Club at the moment.
we dont know SHIT about how it would have shipped lol
they would be perfectly justified in going back to their DRM...its their console they can do whatever they want with it...i wouldnt purchase it, but they are free to do whatever they want with their product...
for the millionth time...this game "went back to the drawing board" and was delayed for A YEAR!...things change, content is added, removed, changed completely...the games director was changed...
the fact that this game is still coming out is a miracle...
In that case, you saying "few" is incorrect use of adjective.
The game doesn't just have 4 or 5 cars and tracks. They are giving us one out of the 5 areas. If each area has five courses, it's akin to saying "I'm only going to take a few of the 25 away" and then taking 20 of them away.
BUT IT'S ONLY $5 THATS PRETTY MUCH FREE. Waittttttttt...
Hrm
HRM.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
This is about as annoying as it gets because there is a lot of jabs here and is one of the prime examples of how hyperbolic things can get. The only saving grace is you peppering your post with some relevant bits to this particular thread. You lose on the rest of your half witted idiocy.
PirateKing
Junior Member
Not sure what you're implying but as my previous comments show, I'm neither negative nor positive. I actually don't mind DriveClub Prologue as PS+ but some people here are defending Sony pretty hardcore and dismissing the complainers. I think they have a right to voice their opinion as much as the other person taking it as is.
I'm just going to enjoy the game when it comes out.
It's like my friend said he was going to buy me a 3DS for a wedding gift. Then once the wedding came around, he got me a PS3 game instead, citing financial difficulties. So I threw it in his face.
BECAUSE FUCK YOU, I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT SHIT THAT I ARGUABLY PAID FOR.
BECAUSE FUCK YOU, I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT SHIT THAT I ARGUABLY PAID FOR.
This makes you come off as rather irrational since realistically speaking those can be
crucial occurrences in any game's development.
Though I agree, for the sake of some posters (such as yourself), Evolution should
clarify.
Sony has already given away over $100 worth of PS4 content...and god knows how much in PS3 and Vita content...
$50 for the year also covers online multiplayer....Driveclub PS+ is a bonus of subscribing to the service...
This somehow makes less than no sense.
Sony is a company, not your friend. And it isn't free. It's included in the price for ps+.
How is game getting delayed our problem? They promised something which they should adhere to. If they were going to do a 360, then they should have change their PR statement which seems like total BS considering the version we are getting with PS plus.
They release full games free on PS+ all the time.
Where's the pun?
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Yeah, but they don't release them alongside brand new $60 retail games.
You obviously haven't been married. Wedding gifts aren't free either.
they never issues a PR statement....until today...clarifying what your getting...they did exactly what you just asked them to do...today...lol