ElectricBlanketFire
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Many people I showed the pad to said, "so it's basically an iPad that only plays video games?"
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Nintendo full year financial results [23.2B yen loss, 3.6M Wii U/12M 3DS forecast]
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Who compares the gamepad to an Ipad or any other tablet? They are entirely different things with entirely different functions. Is it just because they both have big touch screens? The Wii U having trouble selling is because of marketing and not much games outside of Nintendo first party, not because people want to compare it to a tablet.
Ipad doesn't have buttons, Ipad doesn't also primarily play games on the big screen (without spending more on an apple TV... but does anyone actually want to play mobile phone games on a big screen?)
DrROBschiz
Member
I am stating that creating the Gamepad was a mistake
Because it will inevitably draw comparisons with the superior product. I know Nintendo tried to market it as otherwise but they should have went a different direction.
Seriously
Ryan242004
Member
I want to get a wii u but I'm not sure if I should wait until after all the e3 announcement stuff incase they add new stuff or give it another price drop.
Any suggestions?
Any suggestions?
Platinum_D
Member
Not good they need to make some changes starting with Iwata..
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
E3 is only a month away, just wait.
shinra-bansho
Member
Perhaps, one or two out of the 100M people who owned iPads by the time the Wii U launched thought it. But no more than three I imagine. Because it's not like it's an incredibly pervasive device produced by one of the world's most powerful brands. And it's not like there's anything about a touchscreen controller and a tablet that would draw comparison. Well, I guess they're both white, so maybe just that.
Graphics Horse
Member
It's early to say that, it's way too vague to be certain what they're even talking about.
block tower
Member
this. smartphones/tablets in five years will be a massive leap from what is out now. gaming on smartphones/tablets can only get better. Nintendo has to then compete with a dedicated handheld in a market were everyone owns a smartphone/tablet that'll easily be able to play games that are similar to what the Vita can offer in quality now. any big publisher could put out a hardcore or casual game capable of delivering almost console quality experiences, smartphones/tablets all the while still being a phone with apps, and other features. how does Nintendo compete?
-releasing a smartphone? sounds costly and unfruitful. i don't know any adult that would be a "Nintendo phone" compared to whats already on the established market, not to mention the amount of money competing with cell phone service providers would cost.
-releasing a high end dedicated handheld? not unless dedicated handheld gaming becomes really niche. it still has to be affordable, expensive handhelds that do nothing but game don't offer much in value compared to consoles, PC's, or tablet/smartphone gaming.
-the kids market? in five years time kids and tablet/smartphone gaming will be even more prevalent than it is now, which is saying a lot because it's already extremely mainstream. also kids are playing run-away-success type of games, which can't just be manufactured with any proven formula, so it's a constant guess as to what will become the next Angry Birds or Minecraft, either way the tablet/smartphone ecosystem seems to be getting more complex with online gaming and features, so i only think kids will become that much more invested into whatever smartphones/tablets have to offer.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Naturally wait. E3 is whatever number of weeks away. Whether or not they make a move, you won't be waiting long.
Ivan el Trolazo
Banned
they should have gone for the PES 2014 market, or the FPS market, compete with PS4 should have been its goal
Unless you need to have MK8, I would say to wait at this point.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
It basically validates every critique about the stereotypical Nintendo fan ever levied, and it simultaneously comes off as smug and oozing with sour grapes. If most fans of Nintendo's games felt that way, they would have never had any problem moving Wii Us after the Wii and DS success.
Watching the last remnants of Nintendo's shamelessly sycophantic die hard base claim that "______ was a shit franchise anyway, good riddance" as each and every 3rd party abandons the hardware has been quite amusing. Hopefully when making hardware decisions in the future, Nintendo ignores the pleas of their most vocal fans who would rather see them die than adapt.
DrROBschiz
Member
Its totally draws comparisons Instantly to ANY touchscreen device we use everyday.
Why include it on a game system? I know what Nintendo's logic was and they were clearly marketing it towards new gameplay experiences much like what they did with the Wii.
But its was just too close to everything else at a first glance and didn't wow people like Wii Motion controls did.
Updating some graphs I've maintained out of boredom.
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Wow, 2006 fucking sucked.
Was this before or after the revised forecast though? Because I clearly remember them warning investors of a $240 M loss in early 2014.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Wow, it has shipped more than the Xbone.
More like Xdooomed, after this news.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
The lack of multi touch told consumers right away that it was worse than an ipad as an input device, sure.
Randolph Freelander
Member
That was (fiscal) year 5 GameCube, too. FY2 Wii U beat FY5 GameCube by 370,000 units.
FY2 GameCube? Wins by 3 million (5.76m to 2.72).
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Way too dramatic..I highly doubt its like that.
DrROBschiz
Member
The market that bought Wii's are likely the same people jumping onto Smartphones and Tablets to play games
So why the fuck would you make a 300 dollar system with a Tablet controller. To hook into the trend?
It immediately was rejected clearly assuming people even knew what a WiiU was. I can tell you that the average person picking this up in a store immediately didnt take it seriously next to an ipad
Again, I'm talking only about R&D, in that area Nintendo is quite different, I remember an old article talking about experiments they did with mirrors decades ago to have multiplayer games for people in the same table, it didn't work, but is the kind of things I don't see the other companies in the market doing. They are stuck with the NES model and don't let go, they just beef it up.
RIM has nothing to do with Nintendo though, Blackberry 's know-how and technology resources were poor, Nintendo's are non existent, they aren't researching stuff like the cell processor, they research how to use current and upcoming technology to make games. In that way they have to be behind someone like Sony, who is ahead because they are the ones doing the actual technology research.
Graphics Horse
Member
It's like a preview of fiscal 2015
I think he's referring to the half-cooked state of the software that the Wiiu launched with...
That thing crashed a lot and was waaaaay slower. That had to have an impact on potential consumers
Didn't you kinda contradict yourself there?
Stone Ocean
Member
It wasn't cheap at all when it launched. Oh sure, now it's cheaper after the industry came up with their new toys, but with the 360 at it's prime cheaper than the Wii U, that thing was never ever going to sell.
Warm Machine
Member
Smartphone remains the smartest thing they could do. Not for adults but for the 5-12 demographic
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Do you know that for sure?
Same applies to hardware too, correct. R&D expenses increase as they research new concepts and products, some of which never materialise. However, some R&D expenses are for products that are actually released. Yet those expenses cannot be capitalised retroactively. But usually R&D expenses do not accrue in the later stages of product development.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
You can probably already get one for less than whatever they'll drop the price to.
I really doubt kids would want a watered down smartphone from Nintendo. They're not dumb, they want Apple or Android, who will have all the apps Nintendo never will.
OH, GREAT, another rehash.
I wish they would just try something like Pokemon red and blue on the App Store. Throw them up for 4.99 and watch them top the charts.
Funny anecdote. I work 1 on 1 with autistic kids. One wanted to earn Mario after our session. I naturally assumed he was talking about NSMB on the Wii U his parents just got him.
We finished our lesson and he asked for his iPad mini. Here, all the kids at his school figured out how to put that Gameboy Advance emulator on their iOS devices and he was on the last level of Mario 2.
Funny anecdote. I work 1 on 1 with autistic kids. One wanted to earn Mario after our session. I naturally assumed he was talking about NSMB on the Wii U his parents just got him.
We finished our lesson and he asked for his iPad mini. Here, all the kids at his school figured out how to put that Gameboy Advance emulator on their iOS devices and he was on the last level of Mario 2.
metalslimer
Member
How does that make the loss better?
Zombie James
Banned
The way things are going these days, I think it would be pretty stupid to spend hundreds of millions developing a custom CPU. It may have made sense in generations past, but those days are dead.
Interesting idea. In Japan I remember quite a few phones geared toward children with tracking devices and communication limitations. Certainly modern smartphones contain none of that in a sensible and focused way so I guess this could be viable but it's certainly a small market for the effort.
Stone Ocean
Member
Graphics Horse
Member
I guess they could have done success there, a child friendly phone where you'll only be able to exchange numbers in person.
How can we say this?
Nintendo is worried if they do that, that people won't have an incentive to buy their consoles. I definitely don't blame it, cause let's be honest, the reason people buy Nintendo consoles is for Nintendo exclusives, if they can be seen elsewhere what is the point.
I have a...shall we say a feeling that's more to do with the number of bundle-systems, sold or unsold, than with market reaction to the particular game. That being said, if someone has a Wii U, they should probably have that game.
JetSetRadio
Banned
And to think they had a one year headstart. Forget that 3.6 forecast, not gonna happen.
LegendofLex
Member
They're losing this gen because they were too unfriendly to the markets that were receptive to them last-gen. They have never been as friendly to PlayStation/Xbox gamers as people want them to be, so I don't see why being behind now would hurt them any more than it ever has. But there was a definite shift toward their GameCube-like methodologies this gen, which were the closest Nintendo has ever been to the PlayStation/Xbox.
I'm interested in seeing what their plans are for that, they've hinted at "small teams" making things. And I agree, something needs to be done regarding that demographic, something that involves a response to smartphones and tablets.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It's shrinking for Nintendo, that's for sure.
They lost this generation because they don't have a this-generation system.