• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Tecmo Koei expects 1 million sales from Hyrule Warriors

I had to look up Lu Bu because I am new to the warriors series I do have it for my Wii U but I did not know about the Lu Bu thing but googled it and Lu Bu is a thing his name is Lu Bu and Koei does show up for searching Lu Bu

i see i see.

Regardless though, I can see Ganon/Ganondorf basically being the Lu Bu of the game. Showing up randomly, overpowered to the max, killing and destroying everything, and leave if not defeated within a certain time.
 

Foffy

Banned
Much of this games success will depend exclusively on the Zelda name. If we're betting this on quality, I could imagine even the name not helping. The Warriors series is one of the most vapid franchises in gaming.
 
They are probably a million people who buy anything with the Zelda name on it, sure

How much did Crossbow Training do
Different circumstances, this was a budget release with a perihperal. This on the other hand is full priced. At least it isn't a 10 year old game with 6 months development time this time.
 

yamo

Member
Do they expect to have 1 million troops though?

yzL.jpg
 

Kouriozan

Member
Even if it's Musou, people should be curious because it's Zelda, now Nintendo need to market this game too.
Also, I need to know the EU/US release date!
 
That's roughly 300k per main market... definitely possible, LTD. Provided Nintendo just doesn't drop this without any sort of advertising, this should be doable.


Well, Nintendo doesn't and refuses to advertise/market especially in the US, so I think word of mouth is going to have to carry this game.
 
It has Zelda in the title, so I have to imagine it will sell a decent amount.

Of course the obvious problem is the WiiU install base. THough by the time it comes out later this year, who knows. Hopefully MK8 and a solid E3 helps the WiiU pick up some steam.
 
it also depends on what comes out during the release of this.

I am going to buy it but if Bayonetta 2 is out the same week it might not get any play time from me for a while

It has Zelda in the title, so I have to imagine it will sell a decent amount.

Of course the obvious problem is the WiiU install base. THough by the time it comes out later this year, who knows. Hopefully MK8 and a solid E3 helps the WiiU pick up some steam.

You brought up a good point by making a mistake, I Does NOT have Zelda in the title :p
 

Stulaw

Member
You brought up a good point by making a mistake, I Does NOT have Zelda in the title :p
It's called Zelda Musou in Japan, will probably be called something like Zelda: Hyrule Warriors, or "The Hyrule Warriors of Zelda" elsewhere or something.

I'm looking forward to it, don't know if it will sell a million, but it might come close.
 

rjc571

Banned
3.69 million on a console with a much larger install base.

Wikipedia says that it sold 3.69 million as of September 2013, but the sources that it refers to list its sales numbers as 3.41 million as of December 2011. I find it difficult to believe that it only sold 280k copies in the following 2 years. Do you have a source that can verify this number?
 
Wind Waker HD did 1.22 million, considering if this game will be release while Wii U has a good momentum, 1 million LTD should be doable as Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2 increase the userbase, at least for Japan, we still don't have a release window for US/EU.

But Wind Waker HD is a more traditional Zelda game AND I think it was a pack in plus at a lower price point (could be wrong on this). This game is a musou game. How well do they do across multiple systems? Now distill it down to one system and reskin it for Zelda. Are the people who bought Wind Waker HD all going to run out and buy this game? A 1 in 6 attach rate is a pretty tall order for something like this.

For that matter are people going to buy a Wii U for this game? I imagine a large group of potential customers don't even have the system.
 

ZhugeEX

Banned
Wikipedia says that it sold 3.69 million as of September 2013, but the sources that it refers to list its sales numbers as 3.41 million as of December 2011. I find it difficult to believe that it only sold 280k copies in the following 2 years. Do you have a source that can verify this number?

There isn't a source for that number.

Nintendo never released how much more it sold over 3.41m. That is the final figure we have even though it's fairly obvious it probably sold more. At a guess i'd say it's at least over 3.8m shipped.
 

rjc571

Banned
There isn't a source for that number.

Nintendo never released how much more it sold over 3.41m. That is the final figure we have even though it's fairly obvious it probably sold more.

I edited the Wikipedia article to reflect the old number.

How does 3.41m in its first 2 months compare to other Zelda games?
 
After the real Zelda gets revealed at E3 everyone will forget this exists. I'm a huge Zelda fan but I'm not going to buy this, I tried one of the Dynasty Warriors (same franchise, right?) demos on PSN and it was a terribad, clunky mess.
 

zeldablue

Member
After the real Zelda gets revealed at E3 everyone will forget this exists. I'm a huge Zelda fan but I'm not going to buy this, I tried one of the Dynasty Warriors (same franchise, right?) demos on PSN and it was a terribad, clunky mess.

Ooor...We'll be so hyped for Zelda Wii U that we'll grab anything we can get to keep our hype at bay. I know when TP was announced I went around and bought the rest of the series to prepare for the next entry.

If the Zelda U looks amazing, Hyrule Warriors can help us keep busy while we wait.
 
You guys are confusing sell in and sell thru again.

This game will sell in 1mm units WW, I.e. tecmo koei will sell at least 1mm units to its costumers. However, I was responding to the poster who said the game would have to sell 300k through to consumers in every territory to hit that number - which I do not think it is likely to do.

Costumers and consumers are different.
No nonmario has sold thru 300k units per SKU in the US, so unless Mario kart reverses that trend in may, it'd gonna be s tough to hit that posters goals

Where are your sources?
 

Anth0ny

Member
Realistic expectations. I think a million people who own Wii Us will be willing to buy this based on the Zelda name alone.

Won't be much higher than a million, though.
 
3.69 million on a console with a much larger install base.
Also needed a peripheral to play and came out when no one gave a shit about the Wii

Twilight Princess is one of the best-selling titles in the series, if you combine the GC/Wii sales it's only behind Ocarina of Time.

In fact it sold 1.3 million copies on the Gamecube, a console that no one ever gave a shit about and it came out after the Wii version.

I think Hyrule Warriors will be fine
 

Kagoshima_Luke

Gold Member
Well, I'll be buying it when it comes out, so I can clearly deduce based on that metric that they will sell at least 1.3 million units.
 

Phades

Member
Between a dedicated Musou fanbase and a dedicated Zelda fanbase I can easily see this happening.

Is that dedicated Musou fanbase also part of the Nintendo install base? I'm sure there is some overlap in that venn diagram, but I'm skeptical how big of an overlap that is.

It would be sad if it could not attain at least a 10% attach rate to all consoles in the wild and I wouldn't be surprised if it went as high as 15%. Going much above that though doesn't seem very likely to me.
 

massoluk

Banned
After the real Zelda gets revealed at E3 everyone will forget this exists. I'm a huge Zelda fan but I'm not going to buy this, I tried one of the Dynasty Warriors (same franchise, right?) demos on PSN and it was a terribad, clunky mess.

Some people think musou games are all the same, but I felt there are some tiers to the series there.

FOTN - Shit Tier,
Sengoku Musou, Dynasty Warrior - Average Tier,
Orochi - God Tier.

Honestly, I'm excited to see how Nintendo's Gentle Guiding Hand will touch on this Musou entry.
 

sphinx

the piano man
yeah becauase we zelda fans don't know the difference between a spin-off, outsourced, B-tier game done in one year and a mainline, AAA game made by EAD over the course of 5 or 6 years.

we just buy EVERYTHING!! success is guaranteed!! just slap Zelda on the cover!
 

Khrno

Member
Some people think musou games are all the same, but I felt there are some tiers to the series there.

FOTN - Shit Tier,
Sengoku Musou, Dynasty Warrior - Average Tier,
Orochi - God Tier.

Honestly, I'm excited to see how Nintendo's Gentle Guiding Hand will touch on this Musou entry.

You are forgetting about the Gundam and One Piece games, and even though I'm not a OP fan, but both series are "God Tier" as you classify them.
 

Phades

Member
I still don't think Zelda Musou was a good idea. It could have been sold over 1 million if the game was Game of Thrones Musou and was on PS4/Xbox One.

Throw in some empire strategy layer before the hack and slash, with good cutscenes for plot development and give it the feel of a season on HBO and that would sell well. Allow for different plotlines/start points and it would be a pretty solid title all around I think. Released on the WiiU though, at a minimum it would shatter the "for kids" mental image on the console if it stayed close to the source material(s). No idea on how it would drive folks to adopting the console as a whole.

The 360 game that came out prior though might sour views in regard to a new one being released though.

yeah becauase we zelda fans don't know the difference between a spin-off, outsourced, B-tier game done in one year and a mainline, AAA game made by EAD over the course of 5 or 6 years.

we just buy EVERYTHING!! success is guaranteed!! just slap Zelda on the cover!

Couldn't you replace "zelda fans" with "nintendo fans" and replace Zelda with Mario and achieve the stereotypical outlook on Nintendo's approach to their franchises/consoles in the past few years?
 

ZhugeEX

Banned
Is that dedicated Musou fanbase also part of the Nintendo install base? I'm sure there is some overlap in that venn diagram, but I'm skeptical how big of an overlap that is.

It would be sad if it could not attain at least a 10% attach rate to all consoles in the wild and I wouldn't be surprised if it went as high as 15%. Going much above that though doesn't seem very likely to me.

There isn't a big Warriors fanbase on Nintendo. If you read my post below you'll see that Samurai Warriors 3 and all of KOEI's other Wii/Wii U titles kind of flopped compared to the PS3 and PS2 releases which is where the majority of the fanbase is.

It'll be the Zelda name and the marketing power of Nintendo/word of mouth/hype that sells this game.

Similar how the "Pokemon" side of Pokemon X Nobunaga's Ambition sold the game in the west. Ask people in the west why they bought Pokemon Conquest and the reason is Pokemon and not because of some 1980's Japanese simulation game about the sengoku era. The same will happen here, whilst a small number of people will buy the game for the Warriors aspect, the majority of people will buy it because it's a Zelda action game. Whether that = 1 million sales will remain to be seen.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=112396822&postcount=180
 

Foffy

Banned
yeah becauase we zelda fans don't know the difference between a spin-off, outsourced, B-tier game done in one year and a mainline, AAA game made by EAD over the course of 5 or 6 years.

we just buy EVERYTHING!! success is guaranteed!! just slap Zelda on the cover!

B-tier? You're aiming high if B is what you're going with.
 

Phades

Member
There isn't a big Warriors fanbase on Nintendo. If you read my post below you'll see that Samurai Warriors 3 and all of KOEI's other Wii/Wii U titles kind of flopped compared to the PS3 and PS2 releases which is where the majority of the fanbase is.

It'll be the Zelda name and the marketing power of Nintendo/word of mouth/hype that sells this game.

Similar how the "Pokemon" side of Pokemon X Nobunaga's Ambition sold the game in the west. Ask people in the west why they bought Pokemon Conquest and the reason is Pokemon and not because of some 1980's Japanese simulation game about the sengoku era. The same will happen here, whilst a small number of people will buy the game for the Warriors aspect, the majority of people will buy it because it's a Zelda action game. Whether that = 1 million sales will remain to be seen.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=112396822&postcount=180

I wrote that before I got to your post. ^_^;

Useful information though. I didn't read the 2012 npd stuff, nor can I find anything other than the prediction threads for a frame of reference. I know pokemon is huge and can do better than Zelda and that is a contributing factor for their comparison. How much, seems hard for me to relate to though.
 
What were Skyward Sword's sales on the Wii with it's huge install base?

To be fair, a huge install base is never a guarantee that something will sell well. Smash Bros. Brawl only sold marginally better than Melee, for example. Factor in a pretty large quality/appeal gap and the TP --> SS decline was actually pretty expected.
 

MoxManiac

Member
You guys saying Dynasty Warriors is niche, you do realize the musou games are huge in Japan, even bigger than Zelda over there?

One million worldwide seems reasonable, if they get get JP customers to buy a wii u for this.
 
How quickly are they hoping that it will reach 1 million? A month? A year?
Over the course of a few years? It's very possible to happen during the life time of the Wii U, but not in month. Tecmo Koei, you setting your self up for disappointment if your expecting it to reach that in a month.
 

foxuzamaki

Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I think they would know a bit more about the sales of the game over a period oftime then you.
 
Top Bottom