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Digital Foundry vs Mario Kart 8
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bequietdrive
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When I previewed it the frame rate seemed silky smooth to me. Obivously some people will notice, but I guarantee they will be a minuscule minority.
Nicktendo86
Member
Because it is a tech analysis and I would expect them to highlight any flaws, no matter how minor. Frame stutter/hitching is noticed by different people to a different degree, I myself am usually quite sensitive to thing like this and while I don't expect this to impact my enjoyment of the game I am grateful it has been noticed by others.
To turn your question around though, why shouldn't this be pointed out? Are we to turn a blind eye to all technical hitces? This is a forum for discussion, are we not allowed to discuss a technical flaw, albeit a minor one, in a AAA release?
Edit: reading this my tone is coming across as a bit arsey, don't meant to at all. Can't wait for this game, has it been confirmed for off TV play BTW?
Herb Alpert
Banned
Mario Kart 8 [OT] one frame is gone and the whole world seems hollow
lol at those complaining about this
DragonKnight
Member
Honestly, i stay outta the resolution and frame rate threads. I popped in this one just out of curiosity. I can see if a game promises x and delivers y but i find this to be completely ridiculous.
Thanks for reminding me to stay clear of these threads though.
Windom Earle
Member
Even slight frame drops below 60 can be jarring, as the frame rate is not synched to the refresh rate anymore which results in stuttering. Funny that people are so offended about DF pointing this out. I wish the mods would be a bit more strict about this constant thread shitting in tech oriented topics.
1) Played a couple of loops again today on the local store's demo station. Game runs like butter.
2) I'd love to see the same amount of nitpicking on certain EA games that have abysmal drops but only when the don't crash.
Nice try though.
PS: for the record i don't follow DF so i don't know if they already did, just saying before someone jumps on me.
If they did then good for them.
2) I'd love to see the same amount of nitpicking on certain EA games that have abysmal drops but only when the don't crash.
Nice try though.
PS: for the record i don't follow DF so i don't know if they already did, just saying before someone jumps on me.
If they did then good for them.
Business
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PotionBleue
Member
So it won't appear in online play aka 95% of my play time?
The lack of analysis regarding online play is a baffling omission in this analysis, dark10x. Also how's the performance with 2P splitscreen but online?
panda-zebra
Member
More like marrying a beautiful woman who suffers from palsy once every couple of months.
Maybe MK8's issues, like those of Hubble, will be patched over shortly.
Alcotholic
Banned
That's pretty ridiculous. I don't think I've ever read an article that's so picky
Technical analysis isn't about what's noticeable. It's about what techniques are being used to achieve images.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
I pre-ordered this game over a month ago and absolutely can't wait to play it.
That being said, so it is possible to notice this? Because I thought I noticed it in videos but figured it was my imagination.
That being said, so it is possible to notice this? Because I thought I noticed it in videos but figured it was my imagination.
revolverjgw
Member
Honestly this kind of microstuttering or whatever can be pretty fucking annoying. Noticing tiny hiccups in otherwise perfectly smooth games can be distracting to those whose brains are tuned in to this stuff.
plank
Member
Its not the loss of frame its the stuttering apparently.
Yeah, it really does. It's not about the "1" framerate. It could be two or 0,5 - it's about that the engine gets out of round and that can be very noticable. Need for Speed HP on the PC for example, just dropped to 59frames from time to time but that resulted in heavy stuttering till it was back up to 60. VERY noticable. When it comes to framerate, it's not only about the number but also about frametimes and consistency.
It's sad to hear that Nintendo blew it. But it's also a good thing because I don't need to thin about buying a Wii U for 1 game anymore.
dampflokfreund
Banned
Download the 60 FPS Videos of GamerSyde and concentrate your eyes on a certain point of it (for example a wall, object or a texture but not at the player) Then you will see if you notice it or not.
Herb Alpert
Banned
no, they just do their jobs.
What is ridiculous is the people that will NOW begin to notice it and will say that is ruining the game.
edit : all those "I don't have to buy a Wii U anymore" is beyond ridiculous. I can't believe some reactions we have here...
Chocolate & Vanilla
Fuck Strawberry
I just feel it's stretching a bit. If Digital Foundry was purely technical analysis then fine, nitpick away. But, when there is so much inconsistency as to what their standards actually are from one article to the next even in the same genres of games, they invite skepticism and criticism on themselves.
Maybe 1 dropped frame is a huge issue, but how can I trust DF's opinion on that when their interpretation of results varies so much?
Village_Idiot
Banned
Anybody who can notice this will most likely not have a Wii U...
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
I think it is less about being picky and more about being accurate. Also consistently having that repeated frame every 64th frame resulting in a drop to 59fps is enough to cause a noticeable judder for people. It would be different if it had infrequent drops to 59fps.
That said the game is still going to be fun, even if you notice it.
That said the game is still going to be fun, even if you notice it.
You get it.
lightchris
Member
Might just have been the videos, especially if they were 30 fps.
But yes, of course it's possible to notice though most people won't. For those who remember the 24p discussions for blu-ray movies and TVs that don't support it: This is a similar kind of issue.
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Deleted member 125677
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I really hope it'll get patched. The loss of one frame doesn't sound drastic, but it can do a lot with the visual presentation and the feeling of smoothness.
I remember when FEZ PC came out, it was software-locked at 59 fps (by error) no matter what set-up you had for some reason, and it was very noticeable.
On the plus side, FEZ got patched really quick so that it ran at 60, and therefore I'm optimistic about EAD being able to patch-fix this. I don't think it has to do with hardware limitations.
I remember when FEZ PC came out, it was software-locked at 59 fps (by error) no matter what set-up you had for some reason, and it was very noticeable.
On the plus side, FEZ got patched really quick so that it ran at 60, and therefore I'm optimistic about EAD being able to patch-fix this. I don't think it has to do with hardware limitations.
KojiKnight
Member
This DF analysis actually makes me feel a bit better. I DID notice the "micro stutter" but felt odd since most people didn't and just chalked it up as another part of my eyes failing (I need new glasses terribly).
Hope Nintendo fixes it, if not I'll still live (already have the game preordered). Hopefully it's not an issue online.
Hope Nintendo fixes it, if not I'll still live (already have the game preordered). Hopefully it's not an issue online.
They always detail the performance to a single frame level. Of course how much it bothers someone is going to vary. I've not played MK8, I have no idea if I'd care or not, but certainly there is a notable difference between 60fps and anything less.
DF's 'job' is to provide a technical breakdown, and they provide impressions based on that, but you can simply pay attention to the data results if that pleases you. Very few '60fps' games are really 60fps, and the ones that are feel and look really unlike those that are close. The fluidity of something like Resogun on PS4 versus CoD Ghosts is actually very substantial.
I think some people in this thread are offended by the mere suggestion this game isn't running perfectly, and I don't really know why. This could even draw attention to the issue and Nintendo could patch it in response, it could make the game even better.
KojiKnight
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http://a.pomf.se/gdqvuj.webm
Around the 9 to 11 second mark as Mario is rounding the corner, you can see it pretty well in the words "Star Cup" as it goes by.
Around the 9 to 11 second mark as Mario is rounding the corner, you can see it pretty well in the words "Star Cup" as it goes by.
dampflokfreund
Banned
I don't think AA would eat that much performance. I would highly prefer 40-50 FPS with AA to 59 FPS without AA. Both are out of the 60 FPS V-Sync so it doesn't really matter.
Yep, it's really obvious.
Telephoto999
Member
This is actually a really big deal... and one that might keep me from playing the game.
I am terribly sensitive to any frame drops.
I am using a korean 27" 2560x1440 monitor. This monitor in particular simply looks TERRIBLE at anything other than native refresh rate.
I have to have frame limiting and vsync on in every game. Even dropping to 55 - 58 FPS in games causes them to look like they are running in sub 20 fps.
My TV is less sensitive to this, but I still notice the issue. Games simply need to run at the refresh rate of the display they are designed to run on.
I am terribly sensitive to any frame drops.
I am using a korean 27" 2560x1440 monitor. This monitor in particular simply looks TERRIBLE at anything other than native refresh rate.
I have to have frame limiting and vsync on in every game. Even dropping to 55 - 58 FPS in games causes them to look like they are running in sub 20 fps.
My TV is less sensitive to this, but I still notice the issue. Games simply need to run at the refresh rate of the display they are designed to run on.
Yep there it is.
I can only see it when looking at the words, focusing on the gameplay I didn't notice it. So, for me, its not an issue at all (just judging from this clip anyway), but its there.
Interceptor
Banned
I expect the "59"fps to be used as a serious complaint by some people in the future. ^^
I guess you don't play many console games.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Not so obvious if you just now noticed it
PotionBleue
Member
None. That should be telling (but then, the article itself mentions it will only affect a minuscule minority).
You mean the same guys who thought it was 1080p?
KojiKnight
Member
Probably meant "Obvious when you're looking for it."
As the DF article states, once you see it, it's hard to unsee it. I don't think it'll be enough to really bother me when I play it... but we can at least stop pretending now that there isn't any difference.
DemurOnion
Banned
Poor WiiU needs an upgrade. I really wish we were playing N games in 1080p native at 60FPS with decent AA instead of getting the controller. I wish this quite often.
What on earth? First, they point out it's almost unnoticeable. If you have an eye for framerate, you can see it, and I can realise why for some people this makes the issue larger than it is for other, which is a shame. But if DF were getting heavy stuttering, they'd say something. So, you're making problems up due to issues with other games, which is bullshit.
And second, please don't pretend like a solid 60fps was going to make you buy a Wii U. 59fps is enough to mean that Nintendo "blew it"? Do you care about what the tracks are like? How much unlockable content there is? The quality of online play? Do you care about anything, anything at all, outside of a single frame drop? Because it doesn't seem to me that you do, at all, it seems to me that you just want to pick out inconsistencies and blow them out of proportion. Computer monitors have a consistent enough framerate that I suppose it's preferable to playing video games.
wow, im glad i dont suffer from this. sounds terrible