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Developers who have never made a bad game

Soph

Member
I was thinking about them too, and now that I see the list, they might have the best record of any studio. The only downside is that their whole catalogue is aimed at the same niche audience, so you'll either enjoy all of their games or none of them.

We're getting a wRPG with TBS influences called Runemaster! Pretty far out of their comfort zone, wonder if they can do it!

But yeah, what they did till now is spotless.
 
How about Relic Entertainment? I've yet to play a game of their's I didn't like, on PC anyway, dunno about their console exclusives

Damn, this is hard.

I was going to say Retro but they made Metroid Prime 2
I was going to say Treasure but they've made a bunch of obscure licensed stuff.
I was going to say CAVE but Nin2jump
I was going to say Blizzard but Diablo III
I was going to say Irrational but Bioshock Infinite

Developers that play it safe are probably the best bet here. Maybe Valve and Harmonix?

Edit: Sega AM2 is a good choice too.

I thought Nin2Jump was a good game for 400MSP. That said I haven't played every CAVE to recommend them for this thread.
 

ColdRose

Member
And SWTOR.

Nah, SWTOR was a decent game. Not a great WOW-killing MMO, but a good game. Imperial Agent was worth buying for all by itself, and some of the other class storylines (SW, SI, JK, Smuggler) were really enjoyable as well.

But, BioWare also made that hideous Sonic game, so they still don't qualify even without DA2 ...
 

Yoda

Member
Nah, SWTOR was a decent game. Not a great WOW-killing MMO, but a good game. Imperial Agent was worth buying for all by itself, and some of the other class storylines (SW, SI, JK, Smuggler) were really enjoyable as well.

But, BioWare also made that hideous Sonic game, so they still don't qualify even without DA2 ...

MMOs are played for their endgame. Kotor 3 shouldn't have been scrapped for SWTOR because SWTOR is in a different genre. SWTOR's endgame launched in a literally uncompleted state. Only 2 of the difficulty settings did anything and for some bosses there were no differences between the two that did work. The final boss had more bugs than WoW sees throughout the course of an expansion (raid encounter bugs). To top it off it was a whooping 5 boss raid.

While it was cool the questing had voice-overs, most of it was wasted on "go kill 10 boars" style quests which just distracted from the otherwise decent class quests. Had the ratio of story quests to boring repetitive who gives a fuck quests not been 1:4 it would have been worth the investment to VO the entire game; in retrospect it was just a waste.
 

Jimrpg

Member
At least this wasn't the first post or reply. We can argue about each of their games from Crash onwards, but a lot of their pre-Sony history really was trash by all accounts.

Valve is probably one of the best examples, usually at worst it's just not your thing. Similar for Blizzard, at worst they seem to be like post-Sony Naughty Dog in that sometimes what they make is really, REALLY divisive.

Are we really going to count pre Crash Naughty Dog? That team is completely different to the one now. Way of the Warrior was made in Jason Rubin's living room and how many people here actually had a 3DO and played it?

If you count from Crash onwards, Naughty Dog has a damn good track record.

Also Uncharted 3 a 'bad' game? It may not be the best in the series for some people (I really enjoyed it), but its hardly a 'bad' game. Dead or Alive Xtreme Volleyball is a 'bad' game.
 

impact

Banned
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shit ton of games too.
Sticker Star is abysmal.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Firaxis

Sid Meier's Gettysburg! (1997)

Sid Meier's Antietam! (1998)

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri (1999)

Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire (1999)

Sid Meier's Civilization III (2001)

Sid Meier's Civilization III: Play the World (2002)
Sid Meier's Civilization III: Conquests (2003)

Sid Meier's SimGolf (2002)
Sid Meier's Pirates! (2004)
Sid Meier's Civilization IV (2005)

Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Warlords (2006)
Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword (2007)

Sid Meier's Railroads! (2006)
Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution (2008)
Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Colonization (2008)
Sid Meier's Civilization V (2010)

Civilization V: Gods & Kings (2012)
Civilization V: Brave New World (2013)

XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012)

XCOM: Enemy Within (2013)

I haven't played some of those, but they're probably at least decent.
 

Sotha_Sil

Member
Bethesda Game Studios would be there if not for the horrible TES spin-off, Battlespire. They did a few racing games in the early 90's, maybe some of those would disqualify them as well.

I'll go with Arkane Studios, who fully developed:
-Arx Fatalis
-Dark Messiah of Might and Magic
-Dishonored

They also did some contract work on:
-Bioshock 2
-COD: World at War
 

IrishNinja

Member
Intelligent Systems & a few others here come damn close

Kojima Pro

MGS4 was shit and tried to shit on 3 (series' peak), otherwise great record

2x GAF GotY says its not.

this literally means nothing


came to post this! didn't play G-loc on Game Gear but maybe that's the closest miss?

Advance Guardian Heroes and Stretch Panic weren't very good.

also never played AGH, was it really that bad? ill vouch for Stretch Panic though, Treasure's resume is otherwise spotless

Genesis version of Virtua Fighter 2 is god awful.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/genesis/586580-virtua-fighter-2

ehhh yeah but it's one of those sort've technical marvels, like suzuki arcade ports to SMS/Genesis
Damn, this is hard.

I was going to say Retro but they made Metroid Prime 2

man how is Prime 2 a bad game now

I dunno, that Zone of Enders HD Collection was pretty embarrassing.

i thought SH collection was the embarrassing one, what was wrong with ZOE HD?
 

IrishNinja

Member
mediamolecule made interesting platformers with bad physics for years there, can't cosign that one

thatgamecompany did great with stuff like flower but - and not to shit on it - i'm not gonna call flow a good game
 
this thread can't ever work because people can't manage to separate games that they don't like from actual bad games, so you have people saying that MGS4 is bad or prime 2 is bad.

The companies that have a lot of success and a lot of fans are the ones that have great track record.
 

Gun Animal

Member
Only dev I can really think of is Platinum Games if you don't include that one DS game they made before all the dudes from Clover joined.

I want to say Kojima Productions, but Portable Ops is genuinely a bad game.

I also want to say Grasshopper, but I haven't played some of their smaller games so I really don't know. If you were to only count Retail releases, then I would include Grasshopper.

I also want to say Clover, but I don't think they even made 5 games. (four, I think...)
 
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Deleted member 125677

Unconfirmed Member
Intelligent Systems is for the best example for me

Retro Studios as well

Flawless
 
Brutal Legend was an excellent game, it was just incredibly poorly marketed.

Marketing had nothing to do with how mind-blowingly terrible the RTS elements were in that game. I don't even dislike the RTS genre, but I know fun; and that wasn't it. Hammering Y and hearing Jack Black say "LAY WASTE" 50 times whilst my units did nothing... not fun.
 

Dremark

Banned
Insomniac was always the first developer that came to mind.

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Rare's games also never struck out as being bad to me.


Edit: Team Ninja also did a lot of good. At least they made a lot of games you can come back to.
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I would say the Resistance sequels would invalidate Insomniac, especially 3 with it's garbage online play. Heard Fuse was pretty weak too.

Rare developed shovelware for Ljn on the NES like Nightmare on Elm Street.

General concensus is that Ninja Gaiden 3 was terrible.
 

Upinsmoke

Member
You can never argue for or against a developer here because some people think MGS4 or UC3 or GTA4 are shit games.

I'll say Valve anyway.
 
Nobody. Looks like the closest we have to a consensus is either Valve or Platinum.

I'll vote Polytron. When your only game was good I guess that's that.
 

IrishNinja

Member
You can never argue for or against a developer here because some people think MGS4 or UC3 or GTA4 are shit games.

i honestly don't think it's shit tier; there's moments of brilliance in the first few stages, especially stage 2 i thought. its just that the plot (which takes up most of your time) shits the bed all over the series, the ending (payoff) was terrible...i mean even really interesting things like stage 3 (noir as a new take on stealth/etc) were hampered by poor design decisions.

it's also got some of the least memorable boss battles of the entire series, for me. that said, i BBE'd it so there's that, heh. but yeah, OP called for "bad" games, and as a fan of the series since its NES days, i wouldn't call 4 "good".
 
oh, people are sayin' it alright



if you go by popular vote, that puts activision, EA & Ubi at the top, which makes this thread...pretty interesting

The problem i think is that they are publishers, Ubisoft montreal is a massive studio, but i wouldn't say that they make bad games. Games that i am not interested? sure. Even the call of duty series has put a pretty consistent output (specially treyarch). But seriously, this question in the end is just a way to try to find bullshit reasons to call a game bad. MGS4 won two times the GOTY awards at gaf, earned a lot of critical acclaim, and has a great following. Is it a bad game in your opinion? yes, but that doesn't say anything about the actual quality of the game


State of Emergency

One of the worst games I've ever bought. :p

not made by any of the rockstar studios though, only published
 

IrishNinja

Member
MGS4 won two times the GOTY awards at gaf, earned a lot of critical acclaim, and has a great following. Is it a bad game in your opinion? yes, but that doesn't say anything about the actual quality of the game

1) it says a lot coming from my perspective, the only one i'm entitled to
2) 2x GOTY @ GAF, again, means nothing. critical acclaim is neat too but if you think a game is bad, should you then check with metacritic first?
 

Moff

Member
MMOs are played for their endgame. Kotor 3 shouldn't have been scrapped for SWTOR because SWTOR is in a different genre. SWTOR's endgame launched in a literally uncompleted state. Only 2 of the difficulty settings did anything and for some bosses there were no differences between the two that did work. The final boss had more bugs than WoW sees throughout the course of an expansion (raid encounter bugs). To top it off it was a whooping 5 boss raid.

well, to be fair, there were 2 endgame raids, the one with the five bosses and the second, who had 1 boss at launch and another 4 witthin 1 month after launch. I'd say thats fine.

10 raid bosses and about a dozen hardmode flashpoints witthin 1 month of launch was NOT a problem of SWTOR. the bugs on the other hand, were, and the overall crappy engine.
 
1) it says a lot coming from my perspective, the only one i'm entitled to
2) 2x GOTY @ GAF, again, means nothing. critical acclaim is neat too but if you think a game is bad, should you then check with metacritic first?

that's why i think these kinds of threads don't work, in the end it's just your opinion that matters. If you try to objective, it would be hard to do so too. I'm not trying to be rude too, i am just trying to say that in the end it's just a matter of perspective
 

Upinsmoke

Member
i honestly don't think it's shit tier; there's moments of brilliance in the first few stages, especially stage 2 i thought. its just that the plot (which takes up most of your time) shits the bed all over the series, the ending (payoff) was terrible...i mean even really interesting things like stage 3 (noir as a new take on stealth/etc) were hampered by poor design decisions.

it's also got some of the least memorable boss battles of the entire series, for me. that said, i BBE'd it so there's that, heh. but yeah, OP called for "bad" games, and as a fan of the series since its NES days, i wouldn't call 4 "good".

I just think they didn't live up to their predecessors or move forward the way they should of.

But they'd be hard to class as poor games for me. I think them three are overated mind when they first got released.
 

Rising_Hei

Member
I can't believe people is really shitting on MGS 4, you might not like it but there is no way MGS 4 is a BAD game.
It was a 9 game and it will always be.
 
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