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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XIII: Leak Dynasty

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Cool Facts: Game of War has been a hit since July 2013
The character selection screen version of Dr. Mario in Melee is not a generic Mario pose like the one that this leak shows.
 
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Red Arremer

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JavelinRobin said:
0 to aggressive in a single post.

Didn't he have some depth in Brawl? Enough to give him a pop from background colors, I thought at least. I was just making a comment. Not taking an outline side (which, that's a pretty silly fight to begin with) or trying to shit on the poster's pictures.
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G&W in Brawl:
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Again, yes, he initially was modeled in 3D, but that's his untouched model in the game files. The game flattens that model in every single stage he is in, making him 2D. Flat Zone does that to every character.
 
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Roo

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I have a slightly (not really) off topic question.
Way before Palutena was revealed, there was a "leak" with two pics of her in a 3DS stage
Now, did the officially announced 3DS model matched the 3DS model "leak"?
I'm asking this because even tho I'm wary about this roster's veracity, I wouldn't rule it out just because it looks "fake" from what I've seen in this and the previous thread, cons and pros about it being real are basically equal.
 
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The Great Gonzales

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JoeInky said:
Sorry, can't see the 3DS version as anything but the "Smash Bros. Lite" version.

Just the fact that local multiplayer is much harder to do for me is enough to make it that in my eyes.

That and the fact that I'm going to drop it and never play it again (because smash to me is a multiplayer game, I'm not interested in the single player content) when the WiiU version releases makes it much less appealing to me.
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So for you personally, it will be the lesser version. That's totally fair, and your reasons make sense. But that's a matter of personal preference, not a fact about the game itself. The way a lot of people have been talking (saying things like the 3DS "was always going to be the lesser of the two,") makes it sounds like the game itself is going to be lacking in content, when there's no evidence of that whatsoever.

If that's not what you meant to say, then I misunderstood you, and I apologize.

Loco4Coco said:
Pink Gold Peach should be added to one of these leaks one of these days.
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ffdgh would join #TeamReal in the blink of an eye :p
 
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PadWarrior

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Alistair Roo said:
I have a slightly (not really) off topic question.
Way before Palutena was revealed, there was a "leak" with two pics of her in a 3DS stage
Now, did the officially announced 3DS model matched the 3DS model "leak"?
I'm asking this because even tho I'm wary about this roster's veracity, I wouldn't rule it out just because it looks "fake" from what I've seen in this and the previous thread, cons and pros about it being real are basically equal.
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I don't think there was ever a final verdict on that one
 
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SkullHydra

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georly said:
Apologies if I couldn't find all original posts/sources on my summary. I have limited time!

Things that make it seem believable:
  1. Clone Corner - if a leaker wanted their leak to be believable, they'd have put lucina next to marth/robin, Dr mario near mario/luigi, and dark pit next to pit/palutena
  2. The thicker black bar for kirby - actual behaviour from the game that pretty much nobody noticed. It'd be incredibly impressive for a leaker to add that knowing it was in the game.
  3. Removal of names - E3 build had names under each character. A leaker would have probably left those in to make their leak believable.
  4. Tomodachi stage - living room is nearly identical to the one in the famitsu scan
  5. Highlighted stage actually increases in size, therefore overlaps w/ UI - known behavior of stage select.
  6. The CSS isn't 100% full. Every other leak fills out the entire screen.
Things that cast doubt onto the leak:
  1. Ness's shirt is not up to other smash standards! (maybe sakurai and team took some creative liberties?)
  2. Falco's render is similar to other smash poses (Maybe it is! Why not? - also, his scanner is in a different position)
  3. Dr Mario/Bowser Jr/Jiggly is similar to existing promo art (So are palutena, pac man, and lucina!)
  4. Duck Hunt is a ridiculous name, it should be duck hunt dog, etc (It's ridiculous indeed... why would a leaker try to make his leak LESS believable though?)
  5. Game and watch didnt have an outline in the pac man trailer (Game and watch was not confirmed or updated in that trailer, either)

Things that are 100% proof that it's Fake:
  1. ... someone could have photoshopped it all, i guess?
  2. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=126205046&postcount=16800
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I love how all the #teamfake bullets are facts, while you provide arguments and explanations against all the #teamreal bullets.
 
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Kouichi

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Village said:
You are the one who made the argument about renders taking things from art.

I'm just aking, if they did why not use a Dr.mario pose

Also that was melee this is smash 4 , maybe sensibilities change
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Dr_Mario_by_DohIMissed.png


I believe this is fan art though now that I've seen the other mario render. Could actually work against the leaker.
 
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theprodigy

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posts:

1. IntelliHeath-7348
2. theprodigy-5447
3. foxuzamaki-4395
4. Horizon-3887
5. ffdgh-3733
6. Neiteio-3640 (+2)
7. SmithnCo-3624 (-1)
8. BGBW-3415 (+1)
9. SuperSah-3344 (-2)
10. georly-3156
11. Boss Doggie-2971
12. PadWarrior-2925 (+6)
13. Troubled Bat-2894 (-1)
14. Berordn-2734
15. Beelzebufo-2729 (-2)
16. Village-2618 (-2)
17. OricWindstar-2398 (+10)
18. qq more-2397 (-2)
19. DaBoss-2380 (-2)
20. Loco4Coco-2356 (+1)
21. Ryce-2337 (-1)
22. I'M FINISHED-2278 (-3)
23. zroid-2169 (-1)
24. MrSaturn99-2088 (-1)
25. Toxi-2079
26. Kriken-2060 (-2)
27. Red Arremer -2016 (-1)
28. Azure J-1765
29. Kyzon-1722 (+4)
30. BassForever-1718
31. Caladrius-1709
32. Pop-O-Matic-1703
33. SenorArdilla-1693 (-4)
34. Neoriceisgood-1457
35. GamerSoul-1430
36. JoeInky-1401 (+3)
37. The Great Gonzales-1358 (+7)
38. Baron von Loathsome-1325 (+2)
39. Anth0ny-1262 (-3)
40. ShockingAlberto-1237 (-3)
41. Dimitri LH-1235
42. Sponge-1203 (NEW)
43. KHlover-1192 (-6)
44. Golnei-1156 (NEW)
45. emb-1154 (NEW)
46. Benzychenz-1147 (-1)
47. Watch Da Birdie-1137 (NEW)
48. Shadow Hog-1134 (-5)
49. Hyperactivity-1114 (-7)
50. Hatchtag-1111 (NEW)

biggest rise: OricWindstar, 10 spots (!!!)
biggest fall: Hyperactivity, 7 spots
newcomers: Sponge, Golnei, emb, Watch Da Birdie, Hatchtag
dropped out: DICKS AHOY, Qurupeke, ArchedThunder

notes:
  • finally have a full top 50; on this note, it is in theory possible that someone averaged 93 posts per thread without going over 100, thus making this list despite not being tracked, but I highly doubt it
  • damn Oric!
  • I wonder if Horizon can clip foxuzamaki right at the finish line....
 
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Green Mamba

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A breakdown of the stages in the leak--

New:
Battlefield
Final Destination
3D Land
Golden Plains
Paper Mario
Rainbow Road
Gerudo Valley
Spirit Train
N's Castle
Prism Tower
Mute City(?)
Arena Ferox
Tortimer Island
Kirby GameBoy
Reset Bomb Forest
Boxing Ring
Magicant(?)
Living Room
Tomodachi Life
Find Mii
Balloon Fight
Guar Plains(?)
Wily Castle
Pac-Maze

Returning:
Mushroomy Kingdom
Jungle Japes
Yoshi's Island (Brawl)
Brinstar
Corneria
WarioWare, Inc.
Distant Planet
PictoChat
Flat Zone 2
Green Hill Zone

24 new stages, 10 returning. That's fewer stages than in Brawl period, fewer new stages than Melee introduced, and is easily the worst new to returning ratio of any Smash yet with big gaping holes in series representation--Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Metroid, Star Fox, Wario, Pikmin, Game & Watch, and Sonic represented solely through past stages (so possibly no new music for them at all either thanks to the 3DS version's limited music) while odd franchises like F-Zero and Earthbound get a new stage and Mario gets four (plus all of the music that comes with that) alongside a returning one.

Just... not good. If this is real and if the Wii U version is this bad in stage representation and numbers then the decision to split the stages between the versions was a very bad one.

EDIT: Also potentially means there are only three unrevealed new stages for the 3DS version.
 
Majukun

Majukun

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georly said:
Apologies if I couldn't find all original posts/sources on my summary. I have limited time!

Things that make it seem believable:
  1. Clone Corner - if a leaker wanted their leak to be believable, they'd have put lucina next to marth/robin, Dr mario near mario/luigi, and dark pit next to pit/palutena
  2. The thicker black bar for kirby - actual behaviour from the game that pretty much nobody noticed. It'd be incredibly impressive for a leaker to add that knowing it was in the game.
  3. Removal of names - E3 build had names under each character. A leaker would have probably left those in to make their leak believable.
  4. Tomodachi stage - living room is nearly identical to the one in the famitsu scan
  5. Highlighted stage actually increases in size, therefore overlaps w/ UI - known behavior of stage select.
  6. The CSS isn't 100% full. Every other leak fills out the entire screen.
Things that cast doubt onto the leak:
  1. Ness's shirt is not up to other smash standards! (maybe sakurai and team took some creative liberties?)
  2. Falco's render is similar to other smash poses (Maybe it is! Why not? - also, his scanner is in a different position)
  3. Dr Mario/Bowser Jr/Jiggly is similar to existing promo art (So are palutena, pac man, and lucina!)
  4. Duck Hunt is a ridiculous name, it should be duck hunt dog, etc (It's ridiculous indeed... why would a leaker try to make his leak LESS believable though?)
  5. Game and watch didnt have an outline in the pac man trailer (Game and watch was not confirmed or updated in that trailer, either)

Things that are 100% proof that it's Fake:
  1. ... someone could have photoshopped it all, i guess?
  2. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=126205046&postcount=16800
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obvious errors or stupid mistakes doens't make the leak more believable,it's the opposite
 
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Blizzard

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One problem I have with some of the arguments is that the justification is "Of course that's a dumb name / of course that's silly, and someone making a fake leak would be smart, so of course they would not make a silly mistake, which means it's probably real!"

Basically it seems almost any actual MISTAKE someone made could be used as justification for why it's actually real, while simultaneously dismissing any arguments otherwise.
 
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NotLiquid

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Tansut said:
Here's a new piece of evidence in the leaks favor; Fox had a green background in the demo, but the leak has the blue background just like the back of the box.
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How long has the box-art picture been online for? Half a week or so?

That could easily have been a last minute quick change to accommodate seeing how the leak was released only within the last days.
 
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jackal27

Banned
Tansut said:
Here's a new piece of evidence in the leaks favor; Fox had a green background in the demo, but the leak has the blue background just like the back of the box.
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Good find! A faker could easily have copied the back of the box when making the roster, but I'll consider this a point for #teamreal.
 
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-Horizon-

Member
Green Mamba said:
A breakdown of the stages in the leak--

New:
Battlefield
Final Destination
3D Land
Golden Plains
Paper Mario
Rainbow Road
Gerudo Valley
Spirit Train
N's Castle
Prism Tower
Mute City(?)
Arena Ferox
Tortimer Island
Kirby GameBoy
Reset Bomb Forest
Boxing Ring
Magicant(?)
Living Room
Tomodachi Life
Find Mii
Balloon Fight
Guar Plains(?)
Wily Castle
Pac-Maze

Returning:
Mushroomy Kingdom
Jungle Japes
Yoshi's Island (Brawl)
Brinstar
Corneria
WarioWare, Inc.
Distant Planet
PictoChat
Flat Zone 2
Green Hill Zone

24 new stages, 10 returning. That's fewer stages than in Brawl period, fewer new stages than Melee introduced, and is easily the worst new to returning ratio of any Smash yet with big gaping holes in series representation--Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Metroid, Star Fox, Wario, Pikmin, Game & Watch, and Sonic represented solely through past stages (so possibly no new music for them at all either thanks to the 3DS version's limited music) while odd franchises like F-Zero and Earthbound get a new stage and Mario gets four (plus all of the music that comes with that) alongside a returning one.

Just... not good. If this is real and if the Wii U version is this bad in stage representation and numbers then the decision to split the stages between the versions was a very bad one.
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Lots of thanks! I can barely tell what they are from those shots, my eyes are getting bad (or I'm still sleepy lol).

Maybe some stages haven't been unlocked yet? I'm not sure if Sakurai has said anything about having to unlock stages again. Brawl had like 10 or some stages that had to be unlocked right?
 
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GamerJM

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Blizzard said:
One problem I have with some of the arguments is that the justification is "Of course that's a dumb name / of course that's silly, and someone making a fake leak would be smart, so of course they would not make a silly mistake, which means it's probably real!"

Basically it seems almost any actual MISTAKE someone made could be used as justification for why it's actually real, while simultaneously dismissing any arguments otherwise.
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I think the main argument behind those statements is that a supposed minor mistake doesn't prove anything either way, not that it's proof that it's real. I've yet to see anything that definitely, concretely proves that this is fake. We'd need a major inconsistency, which we don't have.
 
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JoeInky

Member
Blizzard said:
One problem I have with some of the arguments is that the justification is "Of course that's a dumb name / of course that's silly, and someone making a fake leak would be smart, so of course they would not make a silly mistake, which means it's probably real!"

Basically it seems almost any actual MISTAKE someone made could be used as justification for why it's actually real, while simultaneously dismissing any arguments otherwise.
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I dunno, it seems weird that someone would go through that much effort to make all the fake renders and then do something weird like calling the character Duck Hunt instead of "Dog & Ducks" or put Dr. Mario away from the rest of the Mario cast.

Surely someone who went to that much effort would try to play it really safe with simple things like that?
 
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Pompadour

Member
Green Mamba said:
24 new stages, 10 returning. That's fewer stages than in Brawl period, fewer new stages than Melee introduced, and is easily the worst new to returning ratio of any Smash yet with big gaping holes in series representation--Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Metroid, Star Fox, Wario, Pikmin, Game & Watch, and Sonic represented solely through past stages (so possibly no new music for them at all either thanks to the 3DS version's limited music) while odd franchises like F-Zero and Earthbound get a new stage and Mario gets four (plus all of the music that comes with that) alongside a returning one.

Just... not good. If this is real and if the Wii U version is this bad in stage representation and numbers then the decision to split the stages between the versions was a very bad one.

EDIT: Also potentially means there are only three unrevealed new stages for the 3DS version.
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I believe (and hope) that some of the link functionality between the 3DS and Wii U versions is bringing these stages over. In the past two games you could play on old stages that weren't on par with the visual fidelity of new stages, I don't see why not here.
 
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munchie64

Member
In the end I must say that I really, really hope this leak isn't real and will be happy if it's denied and sad if it's confirmed.
 
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