lolez2matt
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If the DLC things to turn out to be true, I think it would be free for the people who buy the Wii U version (As Wii U version has already the dlc characters in the game, and there is a code to redeem in the 3ds version.)
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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XIII: Leak Dynasty
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Hot Coldman
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Miyamoto-san, please deliver us the truth of the Smash Brothers Four roster
It's already been deemed fake.
superNESjoe
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I'm not, in any way, simply just saying they are too good to be argued against. I'm saying, and have said, that most inconsistencies or issues people have found with them have really reasonable explanations or deductions behind them.
What I am saying is that if its fake, then the levels are something that got overlooked in something that is outrageously convincing and accurate in several ways. Even to the extent that it has showcased stages we haven't seen and one that can be confirmed to be authentic now. It's an amateur mistake on something that is very non-amateur, it's even such a high quality in the image itself that you would have to believe it was intentionally put there. Meaning it was not overlooked, it was intentional.
Or, it could belong to something like Smash Run where we've seen this type of thing before or some minor aspect we're unaware of.
That is not simply throwing away inconsistencies. I am asking if you really think that is the thing they would mess up on because, among all the things it gets so right, that is a really bizarre and amateur thing to mess up. To me, and many others apparently, it's more likely it belongs to something we don't know about. So call me a kid I guess.
I'm with you
100% agree.I still dont believe anything NOT in a screenshot, btw. All the DLC might as well have been made up by my little brother, for all I know.
Even if it is, the point I'm making is that people need to be careful when discrediting these leaks based off of apparent errors that don't match up with what we've come to expect.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Could be a "free only if you buy the WiiU version" kinda deal.
superNESjoe
Member
I'm with you
I still dont believe anything NOT in a screenshot, btw. All the DLC might as well have been made up by my little brother, for all I know.
Same, to the best of my understanding the whole #TeamReal thing is based upon the images that have not been debunked. There's no way of telling who is revealing real information when it's just words on a message board.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Oh please. If Snake was cut, it wasn't over time constraints. If they were bitter enough to scrap Rayman because of the Legends delay, then it should be pretty obvious why Snake isn't coming back.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Just hope that Nexeon would do job to bring us the veteran tow morning.
I don't know if I want to. I will consider it down in the road.
I don't know if I want to. I will consider it down in the road.
Masked Man
I said wow
Aβydoς;126433634 said:
That would be incredible. I love it already!
SenorArdilla
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It's a popular and well-made "leak." Kind of obvious that some people would want to ride on its coattails.
All I'm going to say is that people are not perfect and you cannot explain inconsistencies with information that we don't have yet. Based on the information we do have, however, there are a big load of holes in this 'leak', if you'll pardon the pun.
Potential explanations and potential possibilities don't mean shit next to the information we already have to make the comparisons.
Hot Coldman
Banned
besides the Night Trap people, companies don't act like this
NeonZ
Member
Hm...
Assuming that the leak is real, could it be that those DLC characters are actually just time locked ones already in the card/disc? Reading those descriptions, it doesn't sound like they'd need to submit most of those characters to the ESRB if they're actual DLC, since they shouldn't change the game's classification, aside from maybe Snake, but it sounds like they'd need to show them if they're in the game, but locked away.
I don't think they'd need to show a full character select screen to them reading those descritpions. I don't see why a partial and a full one could have different ratings.
Assuming that the leak is real, could it be that those DLC characters are actually just time locked ones already in the card/disc? Reading those descriptions, it doesn't sound like they'd need to submit most of those characters to the ESRB if they're actual DLC, since they shouldn't change the game's classification, aside from maybe Snake, but it sounds like they'd need to show them if they're in the game, but locked away.
I don't think they'd need to show a full character select screen to them reading those descritpions. I don't see why a partial and a full one could have different ratings.
Baron von Loathsome
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Who said that they did?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Aβydoς;126433634 said:
That would be amazing :lol It's like Phoenix Wright in UMVC3.
Gonzo The Great
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Before the Rayman trophy was revealed, multiple sources claimed that Rayman was planned but eventually scrapped, most likely over the delay. Even our very own John Harker revealed that Ubisoft wanted Rayman in Smash but Nintendo said no.
KelpPlankton
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I'm with you
I still dont believe anything NOT in a screenshot, btw. All the DLC might as well have been made up by my little brother, for all I know.
This is the way to look at it. Anyone can write up stuff, the images are what we're really looking at here as the leak.
I mean I could be like
Hey guys I'm an ESRB employee and they had to disclose DLC characters. Here's the list:
- Chibi-Robo
- Doctor Luigi
- Ice Climber Popo
- Ice Climber Nana
- Mario And Sonic
- No More Heroes Guy
- Darkwing Duck
- Spider-Man
- Dark Ice Climber
- Snake
- Liquid Snake
- Doctor Spider-Man
- Dark Darkwing Duck
You can't prove I'm wrong because I didn't provide any actual evidence for anything, also I leaked something you saw and believed the other day, it's me. Mister Leaker, your pal.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
lifetime avatar, so I guess rest of your life?
superNESjoe
Member
Nobodies perfect, obviously. It's still very likely it could be fake, but I've been around the leaks and rumors block before and this is the first one for Smash that seems anywhere near legit.
The line thickness bug that no one noticed, the Tomodachi stage, the new character renders. It's all stuff that can be faked, but it's also pretty dang reasonable that it isn't. More reasonable than anything else we've seen before.
There are lots of reasons why I'll say this looks fake, seeing something we've never seen before like character levels isn't one of them. It could simply be information we don't know, that doesn't make it fake.
Hot Coldman
Banned
KelpPlankton
Member
You should play it when you get a chance, it's a really fun game. Dark Pit himself has a lot of personality- he's not a bad guy, really, but he's kind of a lovable jerk.
Error404SwagNotFound
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No one did, it's just a rumor that apparently gained a lot of traction.
I don't think Nintendo would do this, nor would Snake get cut for similar reasons.
Holes, aka unknown information, neither proves or disproves the leak.
Do we know why 6ish characters are missing from the CSS? No. Does that mean it's fake? No. Does it mean it's real? No.
Do we know why Characters have levels in one screen? No. Does that mean it's fake? No. Does it mean it's real? No.
Do we know why the stages are arranged in a weird way? No. Does that mean it's fake? No. Does it mean it's real? No.
Stop using oddities in the pictures as proof of it being fake. All it means is that we currently have no explanation for it. There are already another handful of oddities that have been explained. They were originally used as proof of it being fake, but have turned out to be real. :/
I don't think they'd need to show the menus at all, but if they did for thoroughness's sake, you'd think all the content would be on it also for thoroughness's sake. It would be helpful if we knew the precise rules for what must be submitted.
LurkerPrime
Member
I agree.
Dark Link's presence is Brawl was incredible; it was what I always hoped for while playing Melee. Hopefully Smash U continues this trend...
Despite being a huge fan of the character, I used to be completely against Dark Pit simply because it seemed pointless to put the effort into him when he could just be an alternate costume with a voice change. As a fan, I'd be totally satisfied with that.
However, once Lucina was revealed, we learned that Sakurai was willing to do that just that, but go the extra step further and make them a part of the roster with little effort compared to other characters. Now I totally support Dark Pit and think it's a pretty smart move.
Nothing to do with character outline thickness, it's the line between CPU and their LV.
Not75Drops
Member
I think they're talking about the line above player 4 in the CSS.
NeonZ
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I think menus and such in a game like Smash bros would be necessary for "context" and "degree of player control", since it's only menus before and between the battles.
I can see your point, but didn't the Wii U version sell the most? I'm not even sure they were that bitter.
Because... get this: nobody played with handicap levels in Brawl. It's easily forgotten (more of an afterthought, like "OH! Yeah! I remember that mode!...") Everyone only remembers the core mode choices of Smash: stocks and time.
Mysterious
Banned
Uh...That's how you prove something as fake. The other choices are to: blindly accept any picture that comes up as true, wait for the game to come out, or say the oddities are proof of the leaks veracity (despite the logical failure that has to happen for this to occur).
JediLink
Member
Bro, if you've changed your mind we can call it off. I really don't care. I'm more interested in making a statement that there's a 0% chance the leak is fake than I am of actually changing anyone's avatar.
Hehe. Good luck though!
I personally can't really decide. Officially I'm on #TeamFake, but I dunno man, it could go either way. It could go either way.
When one of the first images was posted, someone made a comment like "why doesn't the leaker just post a pic of the full roster" and then the Mr. Badger posted a picture of what seemed to be just that. Right then I was pretty much sure. The dog, Shulk, and Bowser Jr. were too high quality not to be real.
The more it lingered though, the more small mistakes got pointed out. DHD Dog's is almost too ridiculous and weird, a lot of the CSS icons look bad, the stage selection looks like a cluttered mess. No in game shots seem like a somewhat convenient situation, and there's no reason some of this stuff would be shown to the ESRB. Shulk is a 'too good to be true' sort of character. Several veterans inexplicably cut (RIPIPIP in peace). And the longer we go without additional shots the more it seems like the leak was the result of a sophisticated attempt at a fake.
The thick black bar on the character shot and the Tomodachi life stage icon are kinda swinging me back toward real though.
Like with any 'leak', it makes more sense and is more likely for it to be fake. But there's some really nicely done images and some really odd quirks that make it seem realistic. So I couldn't say. It could go either way.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Holy jump to conclusions Batman.
What's this line thickness development?
Edit: oh, ok. Damn this thread is fast for someone on mobile.
Edit: oh, ok. Damn this thread is fast for someone on mobile.
Probably. You'd think they'd provide all the context by showing all the characters players can control then when there's really no reason to only show most of them. But it's hard to say without knowing what actually is commonly submitted to the ESRB.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I'm starting to wonder if the Subspace is the only reason Brawl didn't have a bunch of Melee style clones like Smash 4 seems to have.
You have to wonder what the roster was like without that monster eating dev time.
You have to wonder what the roster was like without that monster eating dev time.
It doesn't discredit the leak though, you don't have evidence on how it's supposed to look so saying "It shouldn't look like that" isn't disproving it.
And many people who are saying team fake are not explaining the Tomodachi life stage in a good way other than "they got lucky" and the bigger line on CSS which people thought it made it fake at first but then discovered to actually be there in the main game.
KelpPlankton
Member
Kid Icarus Uprising has something like 8 categories of weapon types, each of which has about 9 or 10 weapons per category. Pit uses these weapons in a lot of his attacks, but clearly he's only going to be using one of any given weapon type.
So Dark Pit is probably using different weapons of the same type for these attacks, which will have very different attack properties, appearances, and potentially animations.
The most basic example would be Pit using the Palutena Bow, and Dark Pit using the Silver Bow. Or the Orbitars they have being different ones, which fire differently. We need to see Pit's full customizable moveset options before knowing for sure, but I imagine Dark Pit is basically "here's another Pit with different weapons from the game and different voicework".
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