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My friend just told me the eye can only see 30FPS
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Fudgepuppy
Banned
Swedish.
ShockingAlberto
Member
You have dumb friends.
Davey Cakes
Member
I'm convinced that at this point, anyone who says they can't see it is just making up excuses for the sake of the pretties.
General_Frags
Member
Not this shit again!
Omotesando
Member
Thank him for that and repay him by saying he is full of shit this time.
He will thank you later.
Best friends forever.
Edwards_Omatic
Member
I remember reading that most people can't tell the difference above 72 frames a second.
Am I pulling this out my arse or is there any truth to that?
Am I pulling this out my arse or is there any truth to that?
TyrantGuardian
Member
I just feel really sorry for people doing things in Windows without a 120Hz+ screen in low persistence mode. You people have no idea how good that shit feels. No idea.
As others have said, eyes don't see in separate frames, and the upper limit of motion clarity is definitely way above 60, not to mention 30. The quicker something moves across the screen the higher refresh rate (and lower pixel response time) you'll need to be able to maintain details while tracking the moving object with your eyes.
Here's a simple test anyone can do: try reading text on a website while scrolling somewhat quickly. I bet you can't, it looks like a blurry mess. Guess what? I can with the type of monitor I'm using, and I'm willing to bet it can get even better.
As others have said, eyes don't see in separate frames, and the upper limit of motion clarity is definitely way above 60, not to mention 30. The quicker something moves across the screen the higher refresh rate (and lower pixel response time) you'll need to be able to maintain details while tracking the moving object with your eyes.
Here's a simple test anyone can do: try reading text on a website while scrolling somewhat quickly. I bet you can't, it looks like a blurry mess. Guess what? I can with the type of monitor I'm using, and I'm willing to bet it can get even better.
SolidSnakesMyStepDad
Member
Tell him to watch the hobbit at 48 fps and see if he can't notice a difference.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I'm pretty sure its above 60 that the eye cant see. Or perceive.
Dictator93
Member
noope not even close
bobawesome
Member
You're not on GameFAQs. There's a better way to present an opinion.
TylerDurden4321
Member
Your customer is not too far off though, is he?
Ever tried a good virtual surround headset run through proper software? It's all just a question of manipulating the right frequencies and loudness for the right sounds in a 3D environment.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I read it around the time Dead or Alive 4 was releasing because Tecmo claimed they could get it running at 120 on 360 but there was no point because the eye couldn't tell.
Aside from "because the eye couldn't tell" that actually makes sense as the average consumer market doesn't all have 120Hz TVs.
bless
I've been shown 30fps and 60fps and honestly couldn't tell the difference. I didn't play the game though, so I didn't get a chance to compare the response time and whatnot.
Kinda annoys me when people act as if it's such an obvious visual difference when I've met several people who can't tell either.
Kinda annoys me when people act as if it's such an obvious visual difference when I've met several people who can't tell either.
Can the ears really hear 3d sound? I always figured minor head movement were necessary to complete the aural picture since sound waves get channeled through tunnels before getting to the eardrum.
I don't mean left or right I mean front to back.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Between 60 and 30? Yeah there's a pretty decent difference.
I'm yet to lay eyes on anything higher than 60 so I'm interested to see if I can tell there.
nkarafo
Member
Dude. Either the footage they shown you was messed up, or there's something wrong with your vision. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but if you honestly can't tell the difference, then something must be wrong and you should check it. Just to be safe, you know.
nkarafo
Member
You will need a monitor that can show more than 60fps for that. That means a CRT, or a 120hz+ monitor.
Don't worry, you can. Its just that you haven't seen a proper comparison yet.
fuzzyreactor
Banned
Tell him his eye is about to see 30 fps (fist per second)
Arun1910
Member
Anyone who can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps needs to look here - https://frames-per-second.appspot.com/
Sentenza
Member
I'm pretty sure that's bullshit as well, just slightly less obvious.
DunderHassan
Member
Can a Human See a Single Photon?
If we can percieve faint flashes at 1/1000th second, I really don't think we can say that our eyes have "30 hz" (which is just a stupid way to describe how it works nonetheless).
Go ahead and be all crazy and mock your friend too, have a good laugh about his sillyness.
If we can percieve faint flashes at 1/1000th second, I really don't think we can say that our eyes have "30 hz" (which is just a stupid way to describe how it works nonetheless).
Go ahead and be all crazy and mock your friend too, have a good laugh about his sillyness.
Relativ9
Member
A car traveling at just 100km/h covers 27,7 meters in one second, which equals 0.93 meters in one frame if the eye were too see in 30 frames per second. Given this, if you were to obstruct your vision so thst only 0.92 meters of the road was visible to you; the car would be invisible to you as it traveled past. Hopefully you know from experience that this wouldnt be the case.
nkarafo
Member
Here's a test i use to do, in order to see how fast the frame rate should be in order to stop seeing any difference.
First of all, i use a CRT at 100hz, with v-sync off. Then, in Quake 3 Arena, i bind different max_fps values at different buttons. Button 1 makes the game run at 10fps, 2 at 20, 3 at 30, etc all the way to 100. Then i use the strafe button to make the screen scroll horizontally and start testing all the different values.
Even at 80 fps i can see a noticeable difference in smoothness compared to 60. The difference from 80 to 100 is very small but even that is noticeable if the speed of the camera is fast enough. Unfortunately, i couldn't test beyond 100fps since the monitor couldn't handle it. But i can confirm that your eyes can tell the difference between 60 and 100 fps.
First of all, i use a CRT at 100hz, with v-sync off. Then, in Quake 3 Arena, i bind different max_fps values at different buttons. Button 1 makes the game run at 10fps, 2 at 20, 3 at 30, etc all the way to 100. Then i use the strafe button to make the screen scroll horizontally and start testing all the different values.
Even at 80 fps i can see a noticeable difference in smoothness compared to 60. The difference from 80 to 100 is very small but even that is noticeable if the speed of the camera is fast enough. Unfortunately, i couldn't test beyond 100fps since the monitor couldn't handle it. But i can confirm that your eyes can tell the difference between 60 and 100 fps.
old manatee
Banned
I can play like 1 minute of an fps and tell if the framerate is closer to 30 or 60
The human eye doesn't see in "frames". The human eye perceive light intensity changes. And the brain processes eye signals wayyyyyyy faster than our little 30hz/60hz machines.
Its also about contrast, the more there will be contrast, the more you will notice. A good human eye can see a black screen that appears for 1 frame in a completely white movie running at 1000 fps. Because the black is such a change in luminosity compared to white, its so contrasting with the rest that the eye will notice.
Now, your body notices the difference between 30fps and 60fps but at the end of the day its all about caring. Everybody notices but it doesn't mean it matters for everybody. You brain is dumping information you deem unimportant all the time, everyday.
Its also about contrast, the more there will be contrast, the more you will notice. A good human eye can see a black screen that appears for 1 frame in a completely white movie running at 1000 fps. Because the black is such a change in luminosity compared to white, its so contrasting with the rest that the eye will notice.
Now, your body notices the difference between 30fps and 60fps but at the end of the day its all about caring. Everybody notices but it doesn't mean it matters for everybody. You brain is dumping information you deem unimportant all the time, everyday.
DidntKnowJack
Member
I have horrible eyesight and I can see a clear difference.
That said, I'm not on team "30 is garbage." If a frame rate is smooth, I can deal with it.. I would prefer 60, but I'm not going to say no to a game because it runs at 30 fps.
That said, I'm not on team "30 is garbage." If a frame rate is smooth, I can deal with it.. I would prefer 60, but I'm not going to say no to a game because it runs at 30 fps.
nkarafo
Member
Brofist
Member
1 minute? Like 5 seconds here.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
is he a fan of xbox?
cr_blah_blah
Member
TLoU's ability to switch between FPS makes it so incredibly noticeable. Just change the setting and spin the camera and the difference is instantly recognizable. Anybody on the fence should try it and I'm pretty sure it's impossible to miss.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Aren't you a fellow italian? If so then a Tornado would have probably been more fitting
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
You so funny.