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[BabyFaceKillah]

I wonder if this thread will actually discuss the topic or turn to shit on like the other one.

 

[Kilau]

You joke but that is exactly what happened with PS3 ... Sony recovered, PS3 got stronger as the years went on and they learned from their mistakes, and they delivered PS4.

...the only real thing PS4 has on XB1 is the hardware advantage which is lessening as time goes on...

These two statements don't go together. You say that Sony learned from the their mistakes and delivered with the PS4...which is nothing special when compared to Xbox One?

 

[Ricky_R]

Things in Japan aren't looking very bright (this is the Akihabara Yodobashi store, the one that always shows up on the "Japanese people waiting in line" pics).

Wonder if they can get a refund for the cones.

 

[Hison Yohannas]

Things in Japan aren't looking very bright (this is the Akihabara Yodobashi store, the one that always shows up on the "Japanese people waiting in line" pics).

Just got this:

" In Yodobashi Camera Multimedia akiba of Akihabara, the matrix has become a quiet start and about 10 people at 9:30 am"

Hmm.

 

[WordsintheWater]

I wonder if this thread will actually discuss the topic or turn to shit on like the other one.

Probably turn to shit

 

[SwiftDeath]

I'm officially in love with the idea that there exists special reusable guide rope to be used in conjunction with traffic cones. That is amazing

 

[Chobel]

Very definitive there chap, since all the 180's the only real thing PS4 has on XB1 is the hardware advantage which is lessening as time goes on (games hitting 1080p on XB1 more often). Other than that it's friends, price, OS, exclusives, controller ect which determine which is better (which is entirely opinion).

Just a couple more 1080p xbone games, and PS4 hardware advantage will be gone.

 

[Ricky_R]

I'm officially in love with the idea that there exists special reusable guide rope to be used in conjunction with traffic cones. That is amazing

Japanese minds at work.

 

[Anticol]

Very definitive there chap, since all the 180's the only real thing PS4 has on XB1 is the hardware advantage which is lessening as time goes on (games hitting 1080p on XB1 more often).

What? How is the hardware advantage getting smaller? Is the XBone getting better hardware, are they changing the ram? This makes zero sense.
When you say that the games are finally hitting 1080p it doesn't mean the hardware of the XBone is improving, the difference regarding hardware is the same.

 

[weeeeezy]

Loooool wut

Do you even realize what you're saying? How can a hardware advantage "lessen" over time? The same hardware advantage for the PS4 over the X1 will remain forever. Software can attempt to mask it, but the advantage will never go away.

And I'd say Sony selling a more powerful console at the same price is the biggest advantage by far out of everything you listed.

I guess what he is trying to say is that over time the hardware advantage won't matter as much. As more games release on Xbox One at 1080p there will be less graphical differences between a ps4 and Xbox one multi-platform game. But to be fair we may still have issues with Xbox dropping frames or some other performance issue, but this will just become less noticeable (hopefully) over time as developers familiarize themselves with the hardware and Microsoft enhancing their dev tools. Just to be clear, I'm just trying to explain what the other OP might have been saying. In my own opinion, I think certain games will prob end up looking better on the ps4, even towards the end of this gen. But i have other reasons to stick with an Xbox.

 

[Radec]

What? How is the hardware advantage getting smaller? Is the XBone getting better hardware, are they changing the ram? This makes zero sense.
When you say that the games are finally hitting 1080p it doesn't mean the hardware of the XBone is improving, the difference regarding hardware is the same.

Shhh. Let him dream.

 

[Hison Yohannas]

Crimson Dragon potential killer app confirmed:

 

[lifeexpectancy]

sad to see that customers are not treating the systems equally.

ps3 sold shitty in the beginning but outsold the xbox so easily.

the ps3 was already at the beginning doing quite well in germany, while the first multiplatform titles were so much shittier back then(remember ridge racer6+7, bioshock, loading time issues and the resolution)

now it should be equal because non of the systems have exclusive titles worth to be bought, but the ps4 already outsold the x1. for me, it doesnt seem to be a cheerful gen, this time.

the japanese launch yesterday was a pretty sad one. more employees than customers at the launch-party. what was that? a flash mob NOT to show up on that launch?

Why, as consumers, are we obligated to treat anything equally?

I think he was just trying to say that he personally thinks both systems are good systems, even if the PS4 is an objectively better system. Also he felt like people bought PS3 in good numbers even early on at a high price point, despite the fact that it had little in the way of good games/exclusives early on. Meanwhile with Xbox One in the same situation that PS3 was early on (lack of system-seller exclusives, higher price), people are shunning it much moreso than they did the PS3, even though the same justifications are there, meaning people bought the PS3 early on despite its detractors "because Sony".

I dunno. It appears English isn't his first language, so this is what I got from what was said. I could be way off base though.

Besides we all know China will be the savior of the Xbox brand...

 

[WordsintheWater]

I guess what he is trying to say is that over time the hardware advantage won't matter as much. As more games release on Xbox One at 1080p there will be less graphical differences between a ps4 and Xbox one multi-platform game. But to be fair we may still have issues with Xbox dropping frames or some other performance issue, but this will just become less noticeable (hopefully) over time as developers familiarize themselves with the hardware and Microsoft enhancing their dev tools. Just to be clear, I'm just trying to explain what the other OP might have been saying. In my own opinion, I think certain games will prob end up looking better on the ps4, even towards the end of this gen. But i have other reasons to stick with an Xbox.

Yeah, we get what he's saying, but you think developers won't become more familiar with the PS4 as time goes on or that the dev tools won't be enhanced? What he said doesn't make sense.

 

[manny10032]

Just a couple more 1080p xbone games, and PS4 hardware advantage will be gone.

Hardware advantage isnt going anywhere. No magic sauce will change that.

 

[xxracerxx]

Hardware advantage isnt going anywhere. No magic sauce will change that.

 

[weeeeezy]

Yeah, we get what he's saying, but you think developers won't become more familiar with the PS4 as time goes on or that the dev tools won't be enhanced? What he said doesn't make sense.

They will get more familiar with the ps4 although Sony might not have any desire to improve their dev tools since it's so easy already. Microsoft on the other hand has a lot to improve so we might see a faster improvement on the Xbox side vs PS4. This doesn't mean Xbox games will get better then PS4 games. Most likely we will see some multi-platforms look identical with rare performance issues on the x1.

Also, I agree he could have been more clear.

 

[Nightengale]

Crimson Dragon potential killer app confirmed:

Quest is an obligatory name that cannot be missing from any game with Dragon in the title if it wants to be a killer app.

 

[Zok310]

Ps4 is the better console otherwise it would not be 10,000,000 to 5,000,000

10 million sold to 5 million shipped.

 

[bishoptl]

The hardware advantage is not lessening, that is impossible unless you think leprechauns came to switch out the compenents inside while you were sleeping.

lawd

 

[VinFTW]

IMO, Ps4 is the better console.

FTFY.

 

[Dreamgazer]

Crimson Dragon potential killer app confirmed:

You are making a bunch of baseless, pointless statement today and trying to pretend they're funny jokes.

It's honestly not working.

 

[Hison Yohannas]

One Person in Japan buying Xbox One confirmed:

The war is over, They sold their entire shipped stock. Xbox won.

 

[skyfinch]

Console launch thread becomes a console war thread. For fuck sakes.

 

[Hison Yohannas]

You are making a bunch of baseless, pointless statement today and trying to pretend they're funny jokes.

It's honestly not working.

For you.

 

[weeeeezy]

One Person in Japan buying Xbox One confirmed:

The war is over, They sold their entire shipped stock. Xbox won.

Ugh, can we not do this again in this thread. The other one about Japan went to shit because of comments like this. Let's try to have a decent discussion this time.

 

[Inuhanyou]

There's a reason why MS considers them tier two. In reality though, they are more like tier 10 or tier 12 since the US, the territory that they are losing as we speak, was the only thing that carried them through 7th gen to a near tie for second place.

The pictures we are getting out of these territories should not be surprising for anyone unfortunately, even though its a clear reduction for the industry at large for the install base of these consoles to go down.

 

[VinFTW]

Ugh, can we not do this again in this thread. The other one about Japan went to shit because of comments like this. Let's try to have a decent discussion this time.

Console launch thread becomes a console war thread. For fuck sakes.

Just ignore guys, that's what I did and that's what it's there for.

 

[rokkerkory]

China should be very interesting for X1

Can really take off

 

[Hison Yohannas]

Ugh, can we not do this again in this thread. The other one about Japan went to shit because of comments like this. Let's try to have a decent discussion this time.

Ok Then. I will honor your request.

 

[El-Pistolero]

China should be very interesting for X1

Can really take off

Yeah, I am not gonna hold my breath if I were you...

 

[Amir0x]

Well, they told us the box was delayed for localisation yet only the dashboard is translated and no voice commands or any other stuff is out at launch. Don't know about any regional apps or cable box contracts or whatever so maybe we'll see some announcements about that this week, but I doubt it.

oh so basically Microsoft was yet again being shady. Figures. I'll add that one to the pattern of behavior that shows why some people rightfully remain a bit hesitant about them still.

Then Tier 2 release can be crossed off the board. Then again we had a few people saying anything could happen in Japan with xbone so real craziness cannot be shut down.

ANYTHING can happen... when Scalebound comes and becomes another Monster Hunter-calibre phenomenon that catapults Xbox One to Nintendo DS success levels!

Edit: Also add "Wait until China" to the board

 

[Demoehere]

China should be very interesting for X1

Can really take off

Based on polling Chinese gamers prefer the PS4 by a significant amount. I'm not sure if I can find it, I remember someone posting it here on GAF. I wouldn't expect either console to sell much in China just based on their piracy culture.

 

[Chobel]

China should be very interesting for X1

Can really take off

The chance of that happening is really slim.

 

[Amir0x]

Based on polling Chinese gamers prefer the PS4 by a significant amount. I'm not sure if I can find it, I remember someone posting it here on GAF. I wouldn't expect either console to sell much in China just based on their piracy culture.

I think you mean this poll:

Link

Both Sony and Microsoft have plans to launch their home consoles from this eighth generation of gaming into mainland China. While the consoles are already available via importers from Hong Kong, there's a much larger market to tap if both companies can reach the more than billion members of the Republic of China with the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, respectively. Well, a poll was taken to gauge the average interest of the Chinese gamer in both the PlayStation 4 and the Xbox One (amongst other devices) and the PS4 came out on top with 57.3% of the vote, with the Xbox One garnering only 11% of the vote.

Games in Asia provides a translation of the stats, noting that the PlayStation 4 comes out on top, with the Xbox One in second place, the PS Vita/TV in third and 18.7% saying they would rather buy the device of their choice from the gray-market importers.

Sample size was 6665, an exceptionally large sample size. But China is not going to do much for either I'd wager.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

They will get more familiar with the ps4 although Sony might not have any desire to improve their dev tools since it's so easy already. Microsoft on the other hand has a lot to improve so we might see a faster improvement on the Xbox side vs PS4. This doesn't mean Xbox games will get better then PS4 games. Most likely we will see some multi-platforms look identical with rare performance issues on the x1.

Also, I agree he could have been more clear.

I hate to tell you this but 1080p won't ever be the norm on X1

 

[Jarnet87]

Throwing in a free game is a nice little bonus. It made me think about getting one as they had a bundle that included Madden. Kind of surprised the FIFA one is Europe exclusive, I wonder if Microsoft are underestimating FIFA's popularity in the States or just couldn't get a bundle deal with EA.

 

[Gacha-pin]

Tier2!! MS at least treats us better than Sony. I will go with Xbox this gen. I can't wait to pick one. m9(^Д^) "batsu ichi, jikka ni kaere" and 凸Sony

 

[Dragonborn]

sad to see that customers are not treating the systems equally.

ps3 sold shitty in the beginning but outsold the xbox so easily.

the ps3 was already at the beginning doing quite well in germany, while the first multiplatform titles were so much shittier back then(remember ridge racer6+7, bioshock, loading time issues and the resolution)

now it should be equal because non of the systems have exclusive titles worth to be bought, but the ps4 already outsold the x1. for me, it doesnt seem to be a cheerful gen, this time.

the japanese launch yesterday was a pretty sad one. more employees than customers at the launch-party. what was that? a flash mob NOT to show up on that launch?

The PS3 only did bad the first few months. IIRC, it pretty much outsold the X360 every year since release (otherwise how would it have closed the gap). This is especially true in EU. Hell, had the Ps3 and X360 sold more or less evenly in NA, the 360 would have trailed by well over 10 million. There's a reason the PS4 has sold so much, it's a better, more desirable product than what Nintendo and MS put out.

Supporting MS means supporting their shitty business practices and frankly, at this point, they're really not bringing anything to gaming, so not supporting means they're out then I won't shed a tear. Maybe someone else can step in to shake things up.

 

[jimbobsmells]

No hype as far as I can see in Taiwan, but then you could already pick up an XB1 if you walk into any mall. I did see a flyer in 7-11 a few days ago though.

 

[Jomjom]

China should be very interesting for X1

Can really take off

Gonna be even worse than Japan in all likelihood.

 

[eddfromtheriver]

Very definitive there chap, since all the 180's the only real thing PS4 has on XB1 is the hardware advantage which is lessening as time goes on (games hitting 1080p on XB1 more often). Other than that it's friends, price, OS, exclusives, controller ect which determine which is better (which is entirely opinion).

You joke but that is exactly what happened with PS3 ... Sony recovered, PS3 got stronger as the years went on and they learned from their mistakes, and they delivered PS4.

1. Ha!, hardware differences aren't going no where buddy, and as games become more complex as the gen goes on, the XBO versions of multi-platform games will surely suffer, there will be improvements in the dev tools for XBO yes... but the PS4 won't become stagnant.

2. Sony is a bigger brand worldwide, that's why the PS3 recovered, XB is only strong in the US and UK... so not an apt comparison at all.

 

[Pocky4Th3Win]

They will get more familiar with the ps4 although Sony might not have any desire to improve their dev tools since it's so easy already. Microsoft on the other hand has a lot to improve so we might see a faster improvement on the Xbox side vs PS4. This doesn't mean Xbox games will get better then PS4 games. Most likely we will see some multi-platforms look identical with rare performance issues on the x1.

Also, I agree he could have been more clear.

Uh what.

 

[Officerrob]

One Person in Japan buying Xbox One confirmed:

The war is over, They sold their entire shipped stock. Xbox won.

Probably not too far from the number of PS4's sold in Japan this week

 

[Metalingus5150]

They will get more familiar with the ps4 although Sony might not have any desire to improve their dev tools since it's so easy already. Microsoft on the other hand has a lot to improve so we might see a faster improvement on the Xbox side vs PS4. This doesn't mean Xbox games will get better then PS4 games. Most likely we will see some multi-platforms look identical with rare performance issues on the x1.

Also, I agree he could have been more clear.

Are you being serious thinking that Sony might not have the desire to improve their tools?

 

[Cynn]

Yeah, we get what he's saying, but you think developers won't become more familiar with the PS4 as time goes on or that the dev tools won't be enhanced? What he said doesn't make sense.

Games can't ever become more graphically demanding for his fantasy to work either.

 

[eddfromtheriver]

I think the XBO related threads start going off-rails because some XBO guys start making claims and theories that are just... not very good, so it's only logical that people will jump in and tell them why they might be wrong... that's how i see it (for those guys complaining about yet another XBO thread getting derailed).

 

[BananasWithGuns]

I think the XBO related threads start going off-rails because some XBO guys start making claims and theories that are just... not very good, so it's only logical that people will jump in and tell them why they might be wrong... that's how i see it (for those guys complaining about yet another XBO thread getting derailed).

Yeah, no.

Go back and read the other thread. It turned to shit before the end of the first page.

 

[Dragonborn]

I think the XBO related threads start going off-rails because some XBO guys start making claims and theories that are just... not very good, so it's only logical that people will jump in and tell them why they might be wrong... that's how i see it (for those guys complaining about yet another XBO thread getting derailed).

Most ot it comes from lack of understanding really (especially stuff like comparing the X1 to PS3, which is wrong on so many levels). They either don't know or don't want to know.

 

[Bullza2o]

I think China would be Xbox One's best hope in Asia. It's quite obvious Japan doesn't care, and Southeast Asia is pretty much PS region.